which character needs more cool skins and a skill tree?

[lenship2]

6 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Abigail did it better since she also boosted everyones damage, dealed with swarms, and nèeds no insanity or anything.

not really, bernie has 2000 health that can be all healed with one sewing kit use (and can aggro nightmare creatures), while abigail only has 600 max with a slowish regeneration and sucks at aggroing mobs for tanking

abigial's not for tanking, she's for quick damage against large groups

bernie's not for damage, he's for tanking all the damage so you can safely get rid of the mobs

but yea i agree with the second point and i think willow should get an aoe fire attack when low sanity like in uncomp mode

[Jakepeng99]

30 minutes ago, lenship2 said:

not really, bernie has 2000 health that can be all healed with one sewing kit use (and can aggro nightmare creatures), while abigail only has 600 max with a slowish regeneration and sucks at aggroing mobs for tanking

abigial's not for tanking, she's for quick damage against large groups

bernie's not for damage, he's for tanking all the damage so you can safely get rid of the mobs

but yea i agree with the second point and i think willow should get an aoe fire attack when low sanity like in uncomp mode

My dream is fire meter

[Random Guy000]

Walter, Willow, Winona, in that order, and it's not even a debate. I would LOVE to see Wx's or Maxwell's skilltrees, but objectively speaking, these three are at the bottom of everyones pickrates, unless you specifically main them, which why would you, when there are way better and more fun alternatives already?

So yeah, Walter, Willow, Winona

[Notecja]

Winonaaaaa... Winona has a lot of issues to be addresed either by rework or skill tree, and she is in so bad situation no one ever bothers to mention her.

Giver her more flavour please.

[jpmrocks]

Winona is such a useless character, folks are forgetting she even exists lmfao. She needs an update and a Skilltree.

[chirsg]

wigfrid is lacking in skins. she needs more.

[Yuuko]

Thing is - the earlier character re-works ended up being some of the worst (ie winona, woodie) so maybe we actually want those who need the skill tree most to be last this time?

[abrocator]

Young Wickerbottom.

[Cheggf]

4 hours ago, -Variant said:

This is like, the worst thing to hear when talking about the Arsonist.

Man, I really do hope they work fire more into her character instead of focusing on Bernie soon.

I am gonna cry if Willow's skill tree is just a bunch of bernie stuff with like 2 random minor perks about fire

[Brago-sama]

50 minutes ago, abrocator said:

Young Wickerbottom.

Adult Webber

[Cheggf]

16 minutes ago, Brago-sama said:

Adult Webber

How would he even look different? Age doesn't change your size, and he's completely obscured by the spider.

[Echsrick]

i think a character thats played way less then wendy sould get to be part of the next skill trees update

[Notecja]

7 hours ago, Echsrick said:

i think a character thats played way less then wendy sould get to be part of the next skill trees update

thats 95-90% of all cast. Wendy is either first or second most played character.

[Echsrick]

5 hours ago, Notecja said:

thats 95-90% of all cast. Wendy is either first or second most played character.

exactly

[Mysterious box]

18 hours ago, Walterscool said:

Personally I think Walter needs more skins his are kinda bland

 

I take offense to this because I feel like he's on the side of having the better more unique skins of the cast. Woby was done dirty for not being included though..

15 hours ago, Cheggf said:

I am gonna cry if Willow's skill tree is just a bunch of bernie stuff with like 2 random minor perks about fire

I mean...there's not much we can do with fire without Willow becoming that character people are afraid to allow on their server. Willow kinda missed her opportunity to be a more unique fire based character in solo don't starve since they could have gone crazy with fire abilities without needing to consider the devastation those abilities could cause since it would only effect the person playing her.  

18 hours ago, lenship2 said:

not really, bernie has 2000 health that can be all healed with one sewing kit use (and can aggro nightmare creatures), while abigail only has 600 max with a slowish regeneration and sucks at aggroing mobs for tanking

abigial's not for tanking, she's for quick damage against large groups

bernie's not for damage, he's for tanking all the damage so you can safely get rid of the mobs

but yea i agree with the second point and i think willow should get an aoe fire attack when low sanity like in uncomp mode

Actually Abigial is often used for tanking in the same way Bernie is since her damage boost allows Wendy to make quick work of stronger enemies while she holds their aggro with rooks being the exception where you keep their focus on Wendy instead of Abigail or unsummon her until you deal with them. Abigial is overall more useful for safetly getting rid of mobs than Bernie she just requires more knowledge when it comes to particular matchups. Bernie on the other hand can be instantly repaired using kits but his 2000 hp gets shredded fairly quickly in a lot of situations since nightmare creatures are often adding additional dps to whatever he's fighting and he doesn't have a grace period between rapid hits like Abigial. This isn't to say there aren't situations will Bernie shines but they're far fewer than Abigial overall. 

[Cheggf]

40 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I mean...there's not much we can do with fire without Willow becoming that character people are afraid to allow on their server. Willow kinda missed her opportunity to be a more unique fire based character in solo don't starve since they could have gone crazy with fire abilities without needing to consider the devastation those abilities could cause since it would only effect the person playing her.  

Irrelevant non-issue. Currently people hate Willow because she starts with something that other people make within 10 seconds because it's just 2 grass and 2 twigs. They aren't going to hate her more if she gets actually cool stuff, their pointless irrational YouTuber meme hate should be ignored. 

[Walterscool]

Walter Willow and Winona definitely need their skill trees next since they are probably the characters that are used the least. 

 

[Walterscool]

Wes is not included

 

 

 

[Mysterious box]

17 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Irrelevant non-issue. Currently people hate Willow because she starts with something that other people make within 10 seconds because it's just 2 grass and 2 twigs. They aren't going to hate her more if she gets actually cool stuff, their pointless irrational YouTuber meme hate should be ignored. 

It is relevant though most of the hate is based on her old griefer rep established by specific players and magnified by youTubers but imagine how bad that rep would get if she suddenly was encouraged to use fire alot and it began causing a lot of accidents? People were already raising concerns about Wolfgang's flame dumbell and that doesn't really see use imagine giving Willow a useful fire based perk?

[Castiliano]

I don't think there is a character needing skin, so I'll consider the Skill Tree factor.
• Winona and Warly: both are characters that casual players usually use Moon Rock Idol and play for only 5 minutes, sadly. So they deserve SO MUCH MORE.
• Willow: like Winona, was one of the first characters to have a refresh, but Klei was shy at the time and didn't seem to have the same understanding of these updates as today. Her skill tree can act as a refresh, just as it was for Wormwood.
• Walter: there seems to be a lot that doesn't fit the character and doesn't work in practice. The general math of the slingshot doesn't seem to work either. I hope this character gets attention. It's extremely punitive when we consider the freakin lag.

[-Variant]

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

I mean...there's not much we can do with fire without Willow becoming that character people are afraid to allow on their server. Willow kinda missed her opportunity to be a more unique fire based character in solo don't starve since they could have gone crazy with fire abilities without needing to consider the devastation those abilities could cause since it would only effect the person playing her.  

This makes me a bit sad to read, especially since this is one of the oldest arguments against a fire based character since the DST open beta and it still has yet to actually hold water.

Literally Wolfgang and Woodie can do like, double the damage to a player's base if you really want to. I'd rather not design a character around people's poor behaviors.
Should there be absurd perks you can't intentionally manage and thus lead to accidental horrible destruction like her old sanity mechanic in DS? Absolutely not.

Should she not get fire orientated perks that can potentially be destructive if misused? No!
Might as well remove Werebeavers tail slap or Wolfs firebell at that point.
Players should manage ilk behavior and play with folks they trust.
 

Spoiler

Also, on the note that they could've done more in DS, you can find tons of evidence and direct dev notes that state she was gonna get more use out of her perks in the lava sections of the game that were eventually cut. Major shame, would've loved seeing areas where she'd excel that were fire based.

 

[Jakepeng99]

22 hours ago, mkemal23 said:

If we are taking about every character,(Including the ones that got a skill tree) then I would say Wilson. If not, then Winona Willow and Walter.

He did get a skill tree spotlight update, but not an actual rework update. Not only that, He didn't even get an Archaic skin. He desperately needs an another update.

The whole point of Wilson is he is basic with no downsides. I would like Klei to give the other characters with no downsides, downsides though becausee it invalidates him.

18 hours ago, Cheggf said:

I am gonna cry if Willow's skill tree is just a bunch of bernie stuff with like 2 random minor perks about fire

They should add new mechanics related to her and fire to use practically 

[lenship2]

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

It is relevant though most of the hate is based on her old griefer rep established by specific players and magnified by youTubers but imagine how bad that rep would get if she suddenly was encouraged to use fire alot and it began causing a lot of accidents? People were already raising concerns about Wolfgang's flame dumbell and that doesn't really see use imagine giving Willow a useful fire based perk?

literally all willow needs is a base insight skill that could act as an anti-smoldering aura and/or a way to just prevent fire from spreading (and preventing ash drops)

[Mysterious box]

39 minutes ago, -Variant said:

Should there be absurd perks you can't intentionally manage and thus lead to accidental horrible destruction like her old sanity mechanic in DS? Absolutely not.

 

39 minutes ago, -Variant said:

Should she not get fire orientated perks that can potentially be destructive if misused? No!

That's kind of my thing though a mistake with a fire ability would have a much larger impact than a accidental beaver slam and as I already said the fire dumbell was a weird choice that people have questioned but I guess since it exists no point in holding Willow back from it. 

 

31 minutes ago, lenship2 said:

literally all willow needs is a base insight skill that could act as an anti-smoldering aura and/or a way to just prevent fire from spreading (and preventing ash drops)

That's definitely the ideal solution even if it would kind of cheapen the mechanic if it were automatic.

2 hours ago, Castiliano said:

Winona and Warly: both are characters that casual players usually use Moon Rock Idol and play for only 5 minutes,

This is false really casual players usually don't use the moon rock idol that's generally veterans as the average player doesn't really care about min maxing.

2 hours ago, Castiliano said:

Walter: there seems to be a lot that doesn't fit the character and doesn't work in practice. The general math of the slingshot doesn't seem to work either. I hope this character gets attention. It's extremely punitive when we consider the freakin lag.

This argument has never made sense to me what about him doesn't fit his character?

The tent? Do scouts not use tents? The slingshot? I could have sworn there was a time it's use was taught in the scouts? Campfire stories? Enjoying nature? Having allergies? Being afraid of being hurt? Helping lost animals? What's non scout like? His perks work to counter his downsides as well the only real issue that everyone seems to agree with is his slingshot is bad.

[mkemal23]

1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said:

The whole point of Wilson is he is basic with no downsides.

As far as I know, klei never stated this. This whole "Default character with no downsides" thing is made up by the community. However, his "rework" kinda confirms that klei also want to leave Wilson as a boring chracter default character. And I'm fine with that. But He can get a lot better with simple changes such as a re-balance to his skill tree or even maybe this:

1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said:

 I would like Klei to give the other characters with no downsides, downsides though becausee it invalidates him.