abrocator Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Walter is too much of a boy scout if you know what I mean. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1659973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 hour ago, abrocator said: Walter is too much of a boy scout if you know what I mean. Actually unless I'm remembering wrong I believe some of the other characters quotes imply while he is naive he's not quite as innocent as he acts which is a interesting dynamic I'd like to see represented more. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1659991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BezKa Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: On the begining why does she care about maxwell so much? Ever heard about friendship. It happens sometimes when you spend time with another person, like being coworkers for example. 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: What made her become the darkness monster The stage play implies she was changed by one of the Ancients who now influences her/lives in her head. 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: Why can she just remove the throne's shadows not even the king could do? Said Ancient and their power. 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: Why does she care about the decoration in the throne room? Because. Not everything about a character needs to make sense or have some deep purpose, why does Woodie hate birds? Just a little depth thing. +It was shown in the trailer as a representation of her getting both sides of her (human and grue) under control. 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: If so why does she still keep her past thoughts like hating on maxwell for "doing this"? Why does Webber? Both of them are implied to have been fused with another being, and being fused is not the same as being taken over. 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: Why is among the first things she does as queen is create a mushroom toad, a giant beequeen and a lion antlion? She did what Maxwell did, changed the world she now rules to her liking. She wanted more giants to gore survivors, she made some. She also made other changes to the world, I always assumed at least some of the decisions the person on the throne is making is due to wanting to please Them. And They seem to really like watching people suffer. 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: What is she even doing there other than to create hype for the lack of actual valuable lore that was put out at that time of development? She started the Shadow invasion there. And since it's the archives, pretty sure she came there for knowledge regarding the moon. My guess is on how to use the torch in later trailer. 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: Does she even care about winona? I dunno, maybe she does maybe she doesn't. One of those mysterious things about her, kind of like we know almost nothing about Wagstaff and his relations to other characters. 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: Why did she bring her to the constant and why does she attack her anyways? Charlie was still split then, Winona was kidnapped by the Grue. As for why Charlie still attacks during the night, anyone for that matter, I'm not sure. 6 hours ago, Capybara007 said: Also sorry for making this thread about wasgstaff and charlie And sorry for keeping it up. Let's just stop here, maybe make another thread if we want to continue. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, BezKa said: Because. Not everything about a character needs to make sense or have some deep purpose, why does Woodie hate birds? Just a little depth thing. +It was shown in the trailer as a representation of her getting both sides of her (human and grue) under control When you said that where you implying Charlie Is a Separate Entity form her shadow and human self and she had to get them under control in order to take control or do you think of it like I do and think of them as rhythms and the speed of them switching rapidly sped up to the point that the rhymes synchronized in to one stream and fiction as one entity or are you thinking something totally different Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted August 19, 2023 Author Share Posted August 19, 2023 2 hours ago, BezKa said: She did what Maxwell did, changed the world she now rules to her liking. She wanted more giants to gore survivors, she made some. She also made other changes to the world, I always assumed at least some of the decisions the person on the throne is making is due to wanting to please Them. And They seem to really like watching people suffer. I wish charlie would make a puffin update featuring other mob immersion changes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Willow is considerably very strong in certain dangerous situations. Clearing ruins makes it easier to save armor when most creatures focus on Bernie instead, killing them one by one makes it a breeze. She can make pyres that would regain her sanity in near instant if properly set up. Moon Quai monkeys are a joke when in pirate raids or clearing them after lured. She has highest survival potential for any season that is not spring (Cause rain apparently is worse than cold of winter alone lmao) I can't say she's undertuned for how strong her utility is but can't say she's overtuned for how many of those utilities don't come to use later in game. Bernie makes all the difference in her playstyle cause she literally runs around with a miniboss in her hand at all times. While Wendy's playstyle for me looks more relaxed, Willow being the opposite a more well rounded experience imo. She still could use some kind of Bernie upgrades and or fire buffs in her kit, maybe to do something with her lighter. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 12:39 AM, Mysterious box said: Actually unless I'm remembering wrong I believe some of the other characters quotes imply while he is naive he's not quite as innocent as he acts which is a interesting dynamic I'd like to see represented more. I want Walter to suddenly start making shrapnel rounds using the bones of his enemies, and using their mucus to glue it together. 13 hours ago, Frosty_Mentos said: Willow is considerably very strong in certain dangerous situations. Clearing ruins makes it easier to save armor when most creatures focus on Bernie instead, killing them one by one makes it a breeze. She can make pyres that would regain her sanity in near instant if properly set up. Moon Quai monkeys are a joke when in pirate raids or clearing them after lured. She has highest survival potential for any season that is not spring (Cause rain apparently is worse than cold of winter alone lmao) I can't say she's undertuned for how strong her utility is but can't say she's overtuned for how many of those utilities don't come to use later in game. Bernie makes all the difference in her playstyle cause she literally runs around with a miniboss in her hand at all times. While Wendy's playstyle for me looks more relaxed, Willow being the opposite a more well rounded experience imo. She still could use some kind of Bernie upgrades and or fire buffs in her kit, maybe to do something with her lighter. I don't care if she is good i said she is one of the best because she has a cool personality. She is heavily outclassed by Wendy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 18 hours ago, Frosty_Mentos said: Willow is considerably very strong in certain dangerous situations. Clearing ruins makes it easier to save armor when most creatures focus on Bernie instead, killing them one by one makes it a breeze. She can make pyres that would regain her sanity in near instant if properly set up. Moon Quai monkeys are a joke when in pirate raids or clearing them after lured. She has highest survival potential for any season that is not spring (Cause rain apparently is worse than cold of winter alone lmao) I can't say she's undertuned for how strong her utility is but can't say she's overtuned for how many of those utilities don't come to use later in game. Bernie makes all the difference in her playstyle cause she literally runs around with a miniboss in her hand at all times. While Wendy's playstyle for me looks more relaxed, Willow being the opposite a more well rounded experience imo. She still could use some kind of Bernie upgrades and or fire buffs in her kit, maybe to do something with her lighter. I'd say the bigger issue is Bernie is too fragile for the job he's supposed to do half the time without using multiples of him, offers Willow too little control over his actions(kind of in the same camp as Wurt here really), He doesn't protect her against shadow creatures that would attack her while she's sane despite defending from shadows being his main lore reason for being. Also personally I feel like considering Wormwood's followers can follow him between shards Bernie should be able to do the same without you needing to wait till he shrinks. Some fixes I feel could be done is making it so Bernie gets damage reduction against shadow creatures and shadow aligned mobs nothing too crazy maybe like 60-70%. This not only improves his specialization but gives him a bit more hp breathing room against non shadow creatures without terror beaks taking too much hp. Another change I'd give is Abigial's shield potion effect in that if multiple enemies hit him at once it'll shortly nullify some of the hits considering he's a follower who unlike Abigial will always be in combat when he's active and against multiple enemies it's more fitting that he not be super susceptible to getting bum rushed. As for her seasonal survival potential I can't really agree unless you mean straight out of spawn in which case I'd agree but otherwise I'd probably give that title to Wx, Wurt, and Wicker. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxtonnnn Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 5:23 PM, Capybara007 said: Why is she on the forgotten knowledge trailer? She went to the Archives to get that scroll you see in the Taking Root trailer she uses to repair the gateway Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Admiral Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I like Wilson quotes best, his quotes aren't any scientific and I love it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Mysterious box said: Wormwood's followers can follow him between shards They can do what now? How come Wormwood got this before actual follower oriented characters? Sorry for going off-topic, but that's news to me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, skile said: Sorry for going off-topic, but that's news to me. Honestly same i thought worm summons get stuck on shard Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 41 minutes ago, skile said: They can do what now? How come Wormwood got this before actual follower oriented characters? Sorry for going off-topic, but that's news to me. 31 minutes ago, gamehun20 said: Honestly same i thought worm summons get stuck on shard Yep they travel between shards Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 57 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Yep they travel between shards In the years they've been around, followers for follower characters like Webber and Wurt haven't been able to travel between shards, but the day Wormwood gets a follower they can? Huh. I see how it is, Worm... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, -Variant said: In the years they've been around, followers for follower characters like Webber and Wurt haven't been able to travel between shards, but the day Wormwood gets a follower they can? Huh. I see how it is, Worm... Now imagine it’s a skill for Webber and wurt for them to be able to travel in between shards… Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, -Variant said: In the years they've been around, followers for follower characters like Webber and Wurt haven't been able to travel between shards, but the day Wormwood gets a follower they can? Huh. I see how it is, Worm... Honestly I'm kinda shocked more people didn't notice his followers could your not wrong though it's insanely tedious changing shards with Webber and Wurt especially webber due to him not having homes for the special followers it's to the point I often forego going to the caves altogether on them unless I absolutely need to. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, -Variant said: In the years they've been around, followers for follower characters like Webber and Wurt haven't been able to travel between shards, but the day Wormwood gets a follower they can? Huh. I see how it is, Worm... If Webber and Wurt were able to take followers cross shards, wouldn't they disconnect from spider den/merm house they spawned at and let another spawn? That'd be too OP. Or maybe there is a possible solution to this but Klei just didn't do it? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, _zwb said: If Webber and Wurt were able to take followers cross shards, wouldn't they disconnect from spider den/merm house they spawned at and let another spawn? That'd be too OP. Or maybe there is a possible solution to this but Klei just didn't do it? Webber can already do this picking up spiders disconnects them allowing more to spawn and in Wurt's case their respawn timer is long enough that I doubt it'd matter until she gets merm guards but once she get's merm guards the speed at which you can build more merm guards gets extremely fast anyway not to mention they wouldn't have the king's blessing in the caves making them weaker than normal merms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, _zwb said: wouldn't they disconnect from spider den/merm house they spawned at and let another spawn? That'd be too OP. This can already be done with minimal effort. There's also other reasonable ways around it, it'd be entirely up to Klei how to balance it as usual. I think ridding the grog of packing everyone up to move to the caves would be really nice, though. I'm ultimately just laughing at the fact that Wormwood beat them to their own game, ahaha. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, -Variant said: Wormwood beat them to their own game, ahaha. That's actually pretty common at this point with Maxwell just being Wickerbottom 2.0, and Wolfgang's dumbells being slingshot 2.0(this is mostly based on what I've heard since I don't play Wolfgang) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Honestly I'm kinda shocked more people didn't notice his followers could tbh I just kinda assumed they didn't, from all past experiences, and then just never checked. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 19 hours ago, -Variant said: In the years they've been around, followers for follower characters like Webber and Wurt haven't been able to travel between shards, but the day Wormwood gets a follower they can? Huh. I see how it is, Worm... I feel like Wurt is understandable since you could dupe merms, or lose them in the cave, though webber it does not make much sense since he can already put them in his inventory, it just makes it so tedious. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150492-why-willow-and-walter-are-the-best-characters-in-the-franchise/page/2/#findComment-1660393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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