Teamwork

[Uncrushed]

I really like it when people work together.  I've seen it happen in DST, but don't know how to make it happen.  When you're the gardener or the cook, it's really easy to feel like a victim when there's no team effort going on.

Playing as Wickerbottom or the reworked Wormwood, I've found myself taking on the base-mommy role recently and I'm frustrated.  Many characters, can thrive in the fall by scavenging, maybe with access to a crock pot every 3rd day.  Being stuck at a 2-crock-pot "base" without stone or beefalo wool for 21 days is not fun.  I don't know how Warly or Wormwood mains do it.

I've seen Jakeyosaurus assemble a team for speed runs.  Everyone runs off in a different direction knowing exactly what to do like a well-oiled machine.  I don't expect that, but there has to be a happy medium.

I don't need to be the one to say, "Need a stack each of stone and charcoal for crock pots."  I love being the one who replies: "Burning trees now" or "Just found mosaic - I'll do stone."  Sometimes, you have to focus on your own survival and can't help with group projects.

Maybe my problem is finding the right people to play with?  Or behaving in a way that attracts the right people?  Or motivating whoever is there?  Or being a better team player?  Assuming people know basic DST etiquette, how do we form a better team?

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Uncrushed said:

I really like it when people work together.  I've seen it happen in DST, but don't know how to make it happen.  When you're the gardener or the cook, it's really easy to feel like a victim when there's no team effort going on.

Playing as Wickerbottom or the reworked Wormwood, I've found myself taking on the base-mommy role recently and I'm frustrated.  Many characters, can thrive in the fall by scavenging, maybe with access to a crock pot every 3rd day.  Being stuck at a 2-crock-pot "base" without stone or beefalo wool for 21 days is not fun.  I don't know how Warly or Wormwood mains do it.

I've seen Jakeyosaurus assemble a team for speed runs.  Everyone runs off in a different direction knowing exactly what to do like a well-oiled machine.  I don't expect that, but there has to be a happy medium.

I don't need to be the one to say, "Need a stack each of stone and charcoal for crock pots."  I love being the one who replies: "Burning trees now" or "Just found mosaic - I'll do stone."  Sometimes, you have to focus on your own survival and can't help with group projects.

Maybe my problem is finding the right people to play with?  Or behaving in a way that attracts the right people?  Or motivating whoever is there?  Or being a better team player?  Assuming people know basic DST etiquette, how do we form a better team?

If you can't find someone with the right mindset naturally the best way to go about it is to form a team from good noob candidates who play around the same times as you or bring in outside friends if you can while not always the case there are many people who wander directionless because of certain metas that make them afraid to commit.

For example the most egregious is base placements while mods do help align bases better and sometimes people prefer a certain layout I've found a lot of people are afraid to make base or even contribute beyond gathering materials because they're afraid of getting ridiculed by how they go about it or are shamed for failing. As silly as this sounds it's actually very common so if you focus on trying to teach people you'll be more likely to get a effective team who isn't second guessing their choices and tries to stay out of the way for fear of doing the wrong thing.

[Uncrushed]

12 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

a lot of people are afraid to make base or even contribute beyond gathering materials because they're afraid of getting ridiculed by how they go about it or are shamed for failing. As silly as this sounds it's actually very common

Did you see my other post?  I was just in a game where a few people complained I had built too tightly packed.  In response, one went and built their own base somewhere else to demonstrate how much better it could be (I didn't see it, just saw the texts).  Someone left an Extra Adorable Lavae to hatch by the fire to demonstrate the fire danger I had created (I picked it up before it could hatch).  When I commented that they were right and I had built the garden too close to everything else, they reminded me that they told me so.  I had to leave the server for 5 minutes and when I returned, they were shooting off a flare in the base, which summoned deerclops.  I said f-you and left.

I don't blame people for being afraid of the ridicule.  It's also hard to be encouraging of other people's base designs, so it goes both ways.

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, Uncrushed said:

Did you see my other post?  I was just in a game where a few people complained I had built too tightly packed.  In response, one went and built their own base somewhere else to demonstrate how much better it could be (I didn't see it, just saw the texts).  Someone left an Extra Adorable Lavae to hatch by the fire to demonstrate the fire danger I had created (I picked it up before it could hatch).  When I commented that they were right and I had built the garden too close to everything else, they reminded me that they told me so.  I had to leave the server for 5 minutes and when I returned, they were shooting off a flare in the base, which summoned deerclops.  I said f-you and left.

I don't blame people for being afraid of the ridicule.  It's also hard to be encouraging of other people's base designs, so it goes both ways.

I didn't but from what I understand you encountered griefers they weren't trying to teach you anything they were trying to harass you I have zero doubt in my mind that even if you built the base to their standards they still would have done that as I've dealt with people like that before they often do that to push people they don't want in the server out. That being said I'm not saying that base design is the only reason just a more common one.

[Wardin25]

bro you literally stumbled upon the worst dst has to give

From my experience, I either find some noobs that follow my commands, and then I teach them some stuff and have fun until I have to go, find some chill people where we just mess around, or just some guy that doesnt speak

One of the few times I opened one of my worlds to the public, it got filled up with randos that all cooperated together, it was pretty fun

[Uncrushed]

28 minutes ago, Wardin25 said:

One of the few times I opened one of my worlds to the public, it got filled up with randos that all cooperated together, it was pretty fun

Yeah, it's great when it works.  Just wondering what I can do to make it work more often.

So either you train minions or get lucky is the conclusion I'm hearing.

[pyroisshy]

dst just doesn't really work as a serious game on any public servers. the most serious teams on a public server usually just rush a raid boss or two because thats all that can be done in a single play session (unless you play for like 18 hours straight)

[Wardin25]

1 hour ago, Uncrushed said:

So either you train minions or get lucky is the conclusion I'm hearing.

aint that life

[Popian]

Have you tried communicating? It's harder to resolve having multiple people do the same kind of tasks without doing so.

Note that no one is obligated to drop what they're doing to help you just as you are not with them. Putting out the offer to set up base is simply that - an offer. Be prepared to gather the materials yourself while waiting for others to become available and offer to help.

It is usually enough to start setting up a base with attractive features and resources will come pouring in without asking, and when you are more recognized the planning can start before loading into a new world to reduce the chance of conflicting with another's plans.

[Toda9]

5 hours ago, pyroisshy said:

dst just doesn't really work as a serious game on any public servers. the most serious teams on a public server usually just rush a raid boss or two because thats all that can be done in a single play session (unless you play for like 18 hours straight)

I still pain in public server.

join in day 5-6

not any twig and grass , all pig house gone.

found some weirdo mod chat like that bla bla in the xxx , yyy that I don't understand

around day 10 they said they have 10+ thulecite crown , ton of gears by mod chat and leave.

 and now what , no pig house = no pig skin = no hambat no helmet

no one play , and vote for regenerate world ....

[Antynomity]

The eternal DST dilemma.

[abrocator]

If you're playing in pubs then wait until the next beta and try the pubs there. People are more experienced and tell you what they're doing.

[ToXic Cur3]

16 hours ago, Uncrushed said:

Playing as Wickerbottom or the reworked Wormwood, I've found myself taking on the base-mommy role recently and I'm frustrated. 

It really sucks that this was the experience you got while playing,each character can do what others can no matter there upsides/downsides 

I remember playing in a pub server to see how it felt, it was quite the experience i help out the new players despite not being asked because i want them to enjoy the game and give it a shot if they had a question they ask and i answered it best as i could

16 hours ago, Uncrushed said:

Maybe my problem is finding the right people to play with?  Or behaving in a way that attracts the right people?  Or motivating whoever is there?  Or being a better team player? 

Communicate with your team as best as you can if someone doesnt understand you can explain how it can benefit the team or a majority of a time on a pub someone dies then leave say you can revive them you just need a bit time 

I dont think the issue is finding the right people to play with, some people are griefers then others play how they want i would say dont let the "roles" as a certain character get to you thats why i think its hard to contribute without knowing what reaction your going to get 

[Cr4zyFl4mes]

Well, obviously on public servers it is very dependent on the luck factor. Sometimes it is full of newbies, sometimes full veterans rushing the ruins and making their solo base there. Usually though, you can find at least one person who knows what they're doing and who is trying to cooperate.

I usually go about it like this:

• First I explore for decent base location
• I then put my found spot forward and I ask if someone found something better;
• I try to make everyone agree on the base spot (the server longevity greatly increases if there is only one main base)
• Usually someone who is trying to communicate about the base location will be of great help
• Lay the foundation for the base (it is best to do it by day 5) - Firepit, lightning rod, 6 crockpots, ice box, alchemy engine, 3 chests, farm with watering can (you need ~2,5 stacks of rocks, ~1 stack of twigs, ~1 stack of charcoal, ~2 stacks of boards, ~1 stack of grass, ~10 gold
• Now announce to everyone that there is a base built
• I then go out exploring the world and getting the resources for bird cage, prestihatitator / shadow manipulator, salt boxes, stonefruit bushes etc...
• When people have a clear spot for base, they will gravitate towards it and bring resources and build things. Also, the more people there are at base, the lower the chance it will be griefed without someone noticing.

If you want to farm or cook, first set it up. Don't rely on others helping you do so. And don't feel obliged to farm or cook if you pick characters who are good at it. You can play the game however you like.

[Tranoze]

On 8/8/2023 at 2:24 AM, Uncrushed said:

I've found myself taking on the base-mommy role recently and I'm frustrated.

One important thing is picking the role. If you are frustrated with mommy role, dont do it, atleast dont constantly pick it, let other pick/do the mommy role. If there are noone there to be the mommy, and you want there to be a world's mommy, find another world until you found the mommy, and keep joining that mommy's world.
Do whatever role you feel comfortable with and keep going at it. Mommy role is a special role, it's rare to see a good mommy running a world.

On 8/8/2023 at 2:24 AM, Uncrushed said:

how do we form a better team?

Find players who enjoy doing X, and play with them, add them to your team, instead of forcing your team to do X.

Example, you want chest to aways be filled with rocks and logs, instead of forcing your friends to farm it, find a world where exist a person who enjoy farming rock and log, a maxwell gaming main, and play with them.

[Canis]

If youre playing in pubs, it's common practice to simply tend to your own survival needs, with cooperation being a nice bonus if it happens. Klei pubs usually houses inexperienced players still learning how to fend for themselves, and those who simply want to **** around with no real commitment to a world. If you want to really optimize DST survival through cooperation, you are much better off staying away from pubs and instead forming a group beforehand. Pubs usually lose players before Summer, so most people arent motivated to put a lot of effort into the world anyhow.

[goatt]

It's usually not liked to ask people to adapt to you. Assigning roles in an open world like this would often bore the team. That's my experience.

So either you are lucky to find someone that can compensate your preferred playstyle, or you have to adapt to others and set healthy boundaries to protect yourself.

How to set boundary? Farm just a little bit more than enough to raise yourself rather than take care of everyone. They didn't try to role play with you. And you will get hurt after trying to take care of them and realizing they didn't want to roleplay with you. You should feel happy to see them die, because reviving them makes them appreciate you more than your feeding them.

If you want to show off your farming talent, simply grow giant crops and let them rot. Be as nice to them as they are to you. Don't be too nice. (But it's nice to be a little too nice, but not way too nice.)

[Primalflower]

On 8/7/2023 at 1:24 PM, Uncrushed said:

Playing as Wickerbottom or the reworked Wormwood, I've found myself taking on the base-mommy role recently and I'm frustrated.

aww, that's sad to hear. I love it whenever I'm playing wickerbottom and I have a lot of particular duties I must constantly fulfill to make gameplay smoother for everyone.

[Brago-sama]

Mics help greatly. Instant communication is a game changer for sure, plus it lets everyone know theres a human on the other end and helps lower griefing

Even if it's just one other person with you on mic in a server, it really helps, especially if you guys have character synergy. E.G a wormwood and wortox can easily take down bee queen 2-4 days after joining together with constant communication

Perhaps find a freind/partner to play with on discord? Im sure theres some specifically made for tag team co-op

[Uncrushed]

On 8/7/2023 at 11:30 PM, Toda9 said:

join in day 5-6

not any twig and grass , all pig house gone.

found some weirdo mod chat like that bla bla in the xxx , yyy that I don't understand

around day 10 they said they have 10+ thulecite crown , ton of gears by mod chat and leave.

 and now what , no pig house = no pig skin = no hambat no helmet

no one play , and vote for regenerate world ....

Some people are a-holes and intentionally destroy all mandrakes and pan flutes, or leave with all the best loot.  A self-hosted server can roll back, but on a dedicated server (the ones with the little cinder-block icon) it may be best to abandon until it resets.

Some people honestly think they are doing good, like whoever killed all those pesky moleworms on a recent server without thinking about moggles.  Cave-ins in the caves drop one moleworm each, so given enough time, you can get your moggles there.  Jakeyosaurus famously recommends destroying pig houses for quick pig skin, boards, and cut stone.  This is great advice, but he doesn't mean to destroy *every* pig house and use up all the skin.  This is a really tough and complicated game and well-meaning players with incomplete information can wreck the place.

Some of this is inevitable as everyone needs flint, twigs, and grass ASAP and the spawn area just gets denuded.  I practiced a bit for the last scenario and felt like I learned a lot:

 

[_zwb]

31 minutes ago, Uncrushed said:

Jakeyosaurus famously recommends destroying pig houses for quick pig skin, boards, and cut stone.  This is great advice, but he doesn't mean to destroy *every* pig house and use up all the skin. 

Speaking of pig houses, I'm not the only one that don't like hammering pig houses right? I'm always a bit triggered seeing people hammering pig houses for helmets on public servers

[Brago-sama]

2 minutes ago, _zwb said:

Speaking of pig houses, I'm not the only one that don't like hammering pig houses right? I'm always a bit triggered seeing people hammering pig houses for helmets on public servers

Same. If i must, ill hammer one thats deep in the woods unlikely to be used, althoigh usually i just feed a pig 4 monster meat to get pigskin

If i find pigheads, ill usually just take 1-2. One has to be mindfull especially in pubs, unless you want the pub to die off

[b l a n k]

Maybe you should try Endless servers

I noticed people on Survival will be less likely to help due to the ephemerous nature of the game, they want to do their things to before leaving, and they don't see the point of doing chores for another person since the game will be reset anyway, probably in a few hours. That, and maybe a lot of other reasons, gives less incensitive to teamwork on Survival public servers

I mostly play on Endless, after a few days then weeks you start knowing the regulars on the servers and you will usually do things amongst them

[Waynel]

On 8/7/2023 at 10:57 PM, Mysterious box said:

For example the most egregious is base placements while mods do help align bases better and sometimes people prefer a certain layout I've found a lot of people are afraid to make base or even contribute beyond gathering materials because they're afraid of getting ridiculed by how they go about it or are shamed for failing. As silly as this sounds it's actually very common so if you focus on trying to teach people you'll be more likely to get a effective team who isn't second guessing their choices and tries to stay out of the way for fear of doing the wrong thing.

I strongly believe the number one rule of teamwork in dst is to never task people with base building unless you are sure they’re capable of doing it.
Most importantly, let someone else build a kitchen if you don’t know how to build one with 6 crock pots.

I have noticed these decisions are the most impactful when it comes to having a pleasant experience in the long run. And this is not about "who can build the most fancy base", a consideration that only affects aesthetics. It’s enough to know the fundamentals.

 

[lenship2]

5 hours ago, _zwb said:

Speaking of pig houses, I'm not the only one that don't like hammering pig houses right? I'm always a bit triggered seeing people hammering pig houses for helmets on public servers

i only hammer the forest houses until i get 6-8 pigskin, unless im playing privately where i'll do an entire pig king massacre