Dextops Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 They were already kinda iffy before the hotfix but now they were nerfed even further which was the opposite of what I saw people wanting. I thought a buff was needed but they were nerfed instead. I love all the other wormwood changes but this one just seems weird. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberSkink Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Also justice for weremoose! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I could be wrong about this but.. I “think” Klei wants their playable characters to fit into a very specific threshold of damage. While it’s great for Wormwood to have SOME minions to assist in fights with, he was never designed to be a combat focused character. In comparison a Max level fully bloomed out Abigail only has 600 max HP. So Of Course a Wormwood who can endlessly summon Saladmanders (after the cap limited ones die off of course) with 900 hp was going to get Nerfed. Wormwood also has a bunch of other crazy ass perks too like complete rain immunity and forced speed boosts. Meanwhile Wendy literally only has Abigail, and Abigail doesn’t really do much. I think it’s “fair” for Wormwood to get these nerfs, but then again.. I’m speaking as a Wendy player so what would I know? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copyafriend Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: Meanwhile Wendy literally only has Abigail, and Abigail doesn’t really do much. Abigail is the strongest follower in the entire game by a WIDE margin. the only one you’re able to remotely heal, deals up to 40 damage an attack, has a “anti gank” shield, aoe damage, and the highest attack speed out of any non player mob. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Copyafriend said: Abigail is the strongest follower in the entire game by a WIDE margin. the only one you’re able to remotely heal, deals up to 40 damage an attack, has a “anti gank” shield, aoe damage, and the highest attack speed out of any non player mob. All of this is Raw Damage output, assuming Wendy is getting a Skill Tree I would prefer that it not focus entirely on Abigail’s damage Output. Some of Wendy’s Shortcomings include but are not limited to: being unable to kill Birds with Boomerangs due to weaker attack damage without Abigail’s assistance. If Pipspook and ghosts can disappear into the ground (& Abby too when she dies) then- it would be cool to see a skill tree item added that lets Abby vanish into the ground and pop back up on the bird/rabbit for a surprise attack. or for Abby to be able to Haunt and change the status of items that a dead human players ghost can, flower to evil flower, pig to Werepig, flip the elemental effect of hounds that are attacking etc. Wendy has this one AoE trick, and that’s pretty much it.. meanwhile Wormwood is a grab bag of several different tricks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copyafriend Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said: If Pipspook and ghosts can disappear into the ground (& Abby too when she dies) then- it would be cool to see a skill tree item added that lets Abby vanish into the ground and pop back up on the bird/rabbit for a surprise attack. or for Abby to be able to Haunt and change the status of items that a dead human players ghost can, flower to evil flower, pig to Werepig, flip the elemental effect of hounds that are attacking etc. Very cool ideas i like them! yeah not being able to kill birds IS pretty annoying I am okay with the saladmanders being nerfed, i was more pointing out the extreme strength of abigail, as wendy is actually a combat character in my eyes with dps outcompeting even wigfrid unless the boss has enough dps to kill abigail (not many do) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notecja Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I don't like change to Saladmanders. Please note my vote to reverse the change or at least part of it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADM Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 It's already a little silly to apply that change for Wormwood but doing it only on his followers is definitively a further increase is silliness. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenomeSquirrel Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I’m not happy with these changes, I’m not saying they are unwarranted, but I will miss them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Idk why the Saladmanders even help Wormwood. I just want the cute little guys to run around the whole of the constant. Also when are we getting HD Saladmanders? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_NiX Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Was this always a thing before? I swear I dont remember items auto-stacking on the ground. (no server mods enabled) EDIT: I JUST REALIZED THAT I ASKED IT IN A WRONG TOPIC, I AM SO SORRY. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Master_NiX said: Was this always a thing before? I swear I dont remember items auto-stacking on the ground. (no server mods enabled) Yea for certain things. Hound's Tooth and Rot are the most common auto-stacking things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_NiX Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Anyway, I know at very least one person that will love new traps. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 Bump just in case this thread gets buried beneath the woodie uprising Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatAndRun Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 It's obvious for now that I won't use skill points for the Lunar cultivator perks. They are so underwhelming. At least Wormwood's carrat dropped leafy meat before, but now it's gone. I'll gladly find a way to take advantage of them in any way, if they were not part of skill trees. They should be buffed to become competitve to other useful skills. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Lunar cultuvator skills are extremely confusing to me. They are soooooooooooooooo bad. The fact that they’re his POST CC alignment perks makes them even worse. Lunar guardian isnt much better tbh. Im dumbfounded by the saladmander nerfs. What was the internal discussion and playtesting that led to this decision? Were klei devs 1 shotting AFW with 3 ripe saladmanders and we just didnt figure it out? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149595-justice-for-saladmanders/#findComment-1651762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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