A lot of people claim DST is easier than DS - Why is that, exactly?

[cropo]

11 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

This isn't true his cannons were great fun.

Canons served no purpose than just being silly fun. I've never used a canon in Shipwrecked and I've played since its beta. You can just build one for your stronger boats if you really want to use one for some reason and give the boat the iron sail to actually move at a decent speed. Woodlegs boat moves slower than boats with an actual sail, despite his boat having a sail. Or you can just attach a lightsource to a normal boat and not gimp yourself purposefully.

 

11 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

She also had inventory burning which was useful.

A glitch, gimmicky, and how is it useful?

 

11 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

She was still a horde blender and very popular because of it the only thing she really needed was the ability to control abgial.

Hordes are not a threat in singleplayer since you can stack armor and just facetank everything, and the lack of ability to control abigail is a huge issue. She can kill spiders nicely, great character.

11 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

This is extremely debatable consider each had their own advantages to their wereforms.

Woodie can't interact with or loot anything, Wilba can loot things and access her inventory. Woodie cannot farm a basic resource without transforming, Wilba can. Wilba moves faster than Werebeaver, can chop and mine like he can, passively regenerates health, can hold the means to sustain her transformation in her inventory....the only thing Werebeaver has that she doesn't is that if you die as Werebeaver you wake up the next morning, so he's basically a walking life-giving amulet.

 

Overall, Woodie in his original state was just a garbage character, most of the characters were. They weren't ''interesting balanced characters with unique upsides and downsides'', many of them were outright worse than Wilson. The refreshes actually gave most of the characters truly unique purposes and abilities. Maybe the issue people have with the reworks is that they make the characters not suck like they did in Singleplayer.

[Mysterious box]

4 minutes ago, cropo said:

A glitch, gimmicky, and how is it useful?

How was that a glitch? The only reason it was removed was due to pvp in dst.

 

6 minutes ago, cropo said:

Woodie can't interact with or loot anything, Wilba can loot things and access her inventory. Woodie cannot farm a basic resource without transforming, Wilba can. Wilba moves faster than Werebeaver, can chop and mine like he can, passively regenerates health, can hold the means to sustain her transformation in her inventory....the only thing Werebeaver has that she doesn't is that if you die as Werebeaver you wake up the next morning, so he's basically a walking life-giving amulet.

 

Overall, Woodie in his original state was just a garbage character, most of the characters were. They weren't ''interesting balanced characters with unique upsides and downsides'', many of them were outright worse than Wilson. The refreshes actually gave most of the characters truly unique purposes and abilities. Maybe the issue people have with the reworks is that they make the characters not suck like they did in Singleplayer.

Woodie could fight bosses quite well in that state since trees became healing items.

 

7 minutes ago, cropo said:

Hordes are not a threat in singleplayer since you can stack armor and just facetank everything, and the lack of ability to control abigail is a huge issue. She can kill spiders nicely, great character.

I mean that carries over to dst so this implies she's a bad character and many would disagree with you.

 

[cropo]

28 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I mean that carries over to dst so this implies she's a bad character and many would disagree with you.

Abigail can be buffed with various tonics, and levels up passively to get more HP. In singleplayer, she dies to any real horde, in DST you can buff her to deal with shadow splemunkeys and she can hold her own against wolf hounds easily. In Singleplayer, she will often die against the hound waves and succumbs quicker to Splemunkeys, especially since her AOE range is lower in Singleplayer.  Most hordes have had their HP buffed in Singleplayer, and you cannot armor stack anymore. Facetanking them is far less optimal than it was in Singleplayer so it doesn't entirely carry over. There wasn't any real issues that required Abigail in Singleplayer, and because the Wendy was playing alone and Abigail dying meant losing her for a longer period of time she really didn't do much. In any threatening area of the game Abigail is going to die, and in any non-threatening area in the game the problems she solves are so easy to deal with that having a specialized character for it is a waste.

 

The only time she was really good in Singleplayer was when she first came out and mobs didn't react to Abigail and she could just kill things indiscriminately.

 

28 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Woodie could fight bosses quite well in that state since trees became healing items.

Wilba moves way faster than him, she's much better equipped to deal with bosses and doesn't have to go running around like a buffoon to stuff logs up her butt. She also has 350 hp on top of her passive healing. Unless you're REALLY bad at the game you won't be losing with her. 

 

28 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

How was that a glitch? The only reason it was removed was due to pvp in dst.

A lot of glitches were intentionally kept in the swap to DST, they were only fixed if they caused a significant problem to the game or mechanics had to change which coincidentally lead to them being fixed like old fire farming methods.

 

There is an old glitch that let you carry structures and other non-carryable items in your inventory, in this state they could be lit on fire because they were technically ''items on the ground''. You could also manage to put backpacks into your inventory, players used them as a sort of glitchy bundling wrap before DST was even conceptualized. 

 

 

Notice how there is essentially no graphics or feedback of Willow being on fire at all as she does this? Do you really think this was intended? The ash even drops on the ground, because it's considered to be ''on the ground'' despite being in her inventory.

 

Even if I were to concede that this was not a glitch, this just shows how easy singleplayer was and that Willow is nothing more than a character meant to exploit glitches. She was a terrible character before her rework, and still kind of is in DST.

[_zwb]

3 hours ago, cropo said:

explored in Winter so the spear could warm you up while you fought

*obsidian tools don't heat up during Winter/Hurricane season

[Mike23Ua]

Aside from enemy health being higher than solo DS due to the game being designed with the intention you’ll be playing “Together” as the games title implies: DST is NOT harder than DS.

Not even in the slightest bit, in fact aside from some very very obscure content or some completely optional bosses you summon when your good and ready for them, DST Doesn’t Challenge you in a way Solo DS does.

Lets use Hamlet as an EXCELLENT example: something as simple as cute adorable Pogs can make your life a pure living hell when they rummage through your storage chests throwing your loot on the ground, alone this isn’t too much hassle, but pair that with Hamlets Strong Winds and your loot stands a chance of literally being blown off the side of the game world. Not to mention those same Pogs become particularly hostile like they caught rabies at some point. Chopping trees or tall grass had a chance for scorpions, snakes or weavoles to spawn out of them and attack you.

I will never forget the hilarity that ensued one time while I was flipping over stones at 2 hp trying to find some foods to heal up only to be treated by and chased by a rabid Beatle that was hiding beneath the stone.

These are experiences DST just doesn’t have..

I don’t have to put on Brightshade Armor to travel through a Brightshade Infested Forest, the way the world is generated still has everything you can ever possibly need crammed onto one massive cluster of biomes you never need to build a boat and set sail anywhere.

Unlike Dont starve shipwrecked: which made sure you had to travel from island to island gathering resources to prep for long term survival.

With DST we don’t have this: Ocean Content in its entirety is completely optional.

You’ll never see my point of view by looking at all the broken “late game” things that made Solo DS seem easier to you- but if we’re gonna throw that out there…

DST literally now has skill trees to let you climb in powers, there are late game helmets that remove the threat of darkness.. I mean if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty-

Both games would probably be “easy” in the late game with powerful loots.

However.. which game is harder in the first 30-50 days of exploration? Hands down single player DS wins no contest.

Why? Because everything you could ever need to survive with is all found on that one massive cluster of biomes you spawn in on.. everything beyond that is optional.

The same can’t be said for Solo DS’s Adventures Mode & DLCs.

[MondayNight]

3 hours ago, cropo said:

This glitch is so mind-boggling stupid in its objective "over-powerness" that even conceptualizing it in DST breaks the game beyond anything that exists or ever existed as exploits go. And some people WANT THIS "FEATURE" for DST Willow re-work. Even more funny, certain chaps from among these people's camp are the very ones stating Dreadstone Pillars, Wolfgang's 2x dmg or Wendy + Abi are "OP". Cognitive dissonance much?!?

This insanity should absolutely never be in game, even in DS. "Inventory burning" for Willow outclasses by a huge margin anything Wanda or Wolfgang could throw at enemies in any capacity dependent on their innate perks.

[_zwb]

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

These are experiences DST just doesn’t have..

And I'm glad they're not, getting jumpscared every 5s is annoying as hell. I hate chopping trees in shipwrecked because a snake would spawn every so often, I have to focus on the game in a very stressful way. It's not threatening at all as I've stock piled enough anti venoms and even if I ever ran out of it, I can just buy some from pig shops. It's purely annoying and cause nothing but stress. I suppose it's a quite interesting mechanic in the early games but after you've spawned the 113rd snake from a tree, you're not going to be impressed nor threatened.

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Ocean Content in its entirety is completely optional.

Pretty much everything they added in DST is optional, like come on we all know how to survive indefinitely in Reign of Giants, you don't need DST exclusive content for that. And this indeed is a big problem, you have this entire game on the main island and this other thing called the ocean that has nothing to do with it.

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

there are late game helmets that remove the threat of darkness..

I'm assuming you're talking about brightshade helm, but like, you get the cc crown before brightshades? Isn't that infinite light already? And come on darkness is the least threatening thing in this game and that helmet doesn't even stop sanity drain.

 

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Because everything you could ever need to survive with is all found on that one massive cluster of biomes you spawn in on..

That's literally DS and RoG.

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

The same can’t be said for Solo DS’s Adventures Mode & DLCs.

Adventure mode? S-sorry? I don't think it's intended for a survival gameplay, but a rather linear gameplay with clear goals? SW is certainly the easiest to settle down and the environmental hazards are way less threatening. If you start at Hamlet it is indeed the most challenging though.

[Dragonboooorn]

On 7/15/2023 at 2:06 AM, Guille6785 said:

there is no wrong way to experience the game

I built a shrine in the name of Wagstaff Dont Starve in my every long-run worlds for good luck

[cybers2001]

7 hours ago, _zwb said:

*obsidian tools don't heat up during Winter/Hurricane season

False. They do heat up in all seasons, however they don't set things on fire during winter/hurricane season.

[Spino43]

6 hours ago, _zwb said:

I'm assuming you're talking about brightshade helm, but like, you get the cc crown before brightshades? Isn't that infinite light already? And come on darkness is the least threatening thing in this game and that helmet doesn't even stop sanity drain.

Funny that he mentions this and doesn't mention that hamlet has infinite road lights. (And he doesn't know about the crown because mike deems fighting bosses solo just to stroke our fragile ego)

Or how insanely easy to manipulate hamlet's economy.

Or you can build a house to safely store all loots. And there are specialised chests that prevent pogs from rummaging.

Pogs will never go rabid if you visit the aporkalypse calendar once in a while.

 

 

[Mike23Ua]

Unless that huge patch changed single player DS a lot (haven’t played it since they updated it..) then DST is easier than DS because you can do things Like:

Trap Spider Warriors under a Rabbit Trap and pick them up and put them into your inventory.

If I coulda done that in solo DS I quite literally wouldn’t have died by running out of torches and other resources while trying to bypass a heavily Spider Fortified Chokeoffpoint preventing me from getting to the other side where resources are.

[Dextops]

14 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Trap Spider Warriors under a Rabbit Trap and pick them up and put them into your inventory.

What

[somethin]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Unless that huge patch changed single player DS a lot (haven’t played it since they updated it..) then DST is easier than DS because you can do things Like:

Trap Spider Warriors under a Rabbit Trap and pick them up and put them into your inventory.

If I coulda done that in solo DS I quite literally wouldn’t have died by running out of torches and other resources while trying to bypass a heavily Spider Fortified Chokeoffpoint preventing me from getting to the other side where resources are.

You know you can just... run past the nest? It's not like spiders are going to catch up to you even if you run on the web.
Also in single player the trap also works with spiders. They even instantly turn into monster meat for you.

[Spino43]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Unless that huge patch changed single player DS a lot (haven’t played it since they updated it..) then DST is easier than DS because you can do things Like:

Trap Spider Warriors under a Rabbit Trap and pick them up and put them into your inventory.

If I coulda done that in solo DS I quite literally wouldn’t have died by running out of torches and other resources while trying to bypass a heavily Spider Fortified Chokeoffpoint preventing me from getting to the other side where resources are.

You... can... also... do... this... in... original... ds.

 

[cropo]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Unless that huge patch changed single player DS a lot (haven’t played it since they updated it..) then DST is easier than DS because you can do things Like:

Trap Spider Warriors under a Rabbit Trap and pick them up and put them into your inventory.

If I coulda done that in solo DS I quite literally wouldn’t have died by running out of torches and other resources while trying to bypass a heavily Spider Fortified Chokeoffpoint preventing me from getting to the other side where resources are.

I'm sorry but some of your posts are just so mind-boggling and baffling.  

 

Show of hands here, does anyone seriously and unironically use traps defensively to protect themselves from spiders? Like serious question, show of hands. Have you ever been in a moment where you could not contend with some nearby spiders for some reason, and had to make traps to ''save'' yourself?

[Paxtonnnn]

2 hours ago, Spino43 said:

You... can... also... do... this... in... original... ds.

It wasn’t even something added in the latest big update, it’s been there forever, it instakills them.

[Antynomity]

DS was easier than DST, if you think otherwise, you're bad at both games .

The one thing, that is truly easier in DST and makes a pretty big impact is reviving, life giving amulets can be used post-mortem.

DS resources were never unrenewable after the teleportato got added, you can hop worlds when you wish and get all those resources back / more of them depending on what you want and the situation the world was in pre-regen.

On 7/22/2023 at 9:23 PM, MostMerryTomcat said:

This glitch is so mind-boggling stupid in its objective "over-powerness" that even conceptualizing it in DST breaks the game beyond anything that exists or ever existed as exploits go. And some people WANT THIS "FEATURE" for DST Willow re-work. Even more funny, certain chaps from among these people's camp are the very ones stating Dreadstone Pillars, Wolfgang's 2x dmg or Wendy + Abi are "OP". Cognitive dissonance much?!?

This insanity should absolutely never be in game, even in DS. "Inventory burning" for Willow outclasses by a huge margin anything Wanda or Wolfgang could throw at enemies in any capacity dependent on their innate perks.

There's a big bias in this forum against Megabasing, charaters such as Wolfgang, Wanda, etc while favoring characters like Wigfrid (which is broken as hell yet people want them to be buffed) and want mechanics that would actually make the game easier without making it more interesting like that video. Yes, Willow should have fire-combat abilities that are good but like, c'mon.

On 7/14/2023 at 10:40 PM, Tranoze said:

That because you are experiencing DST wrong.

Sure thing boss! I'm playing a sandbox game wrong.

[MondayNight]

9 hours ago, Antynomity said:

There's a big bias in this forum against Megabasing, charaters such as Wolfgang, Wanda, etc while favoring characters like Wigfrid (which is broken as hell yet people want them to be buffed) and want mechanics that would actually make the game easier without making it more interesting like that video. Yes, Willow should have fire-combat abilities that are good but like, c'mon.

The only "interesting" thing showcased in that "Willow inventory burning" glitch video is how not to design things, or lapses from devs' part. Very big ones that should be urgently addressed/corrected. Once more: this insanity outclasses every other current glitch by a margin. Truly broken, like DS's fire-farms were. I can solely imagine teams of Willows just running around bosses and inventory-burning ropes easily collected from DF Desert. For Pete's sake, in video that Willow sat some seconds beside DC and the behemoth dropped dead like a rock. Let's be serious here!

[Antynomity]

58 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

The only "interesting" thing showcased in that "Willow inventory burning" glitch video is how not to design things, or lapses from devs' part. Very big ones that should be urgently addressed/corrected. Once more: this insanity outclasses every other current glitch by a margin. Truly broken, like DS's fire-farms were. I can solely imagine teams of Willows just running around bosses and inventory-burning ropes easily collected from DF Desert. For Pete's sake, in video that Willow sat some seconds beside DC and the behemoth dropped dead like a rock. Let's be serious here!

I meant that stuff not like the burning inventories of rope, that's why I said c'mon at the end, but yes, that'd be a huge, huge , HUGE  sh*t show.

I'd never want something like that in the game, sorry for that wording lol

[Monkey Cups]

DST is easier even as a solo player. There's one particular reason I say this, even if we ignore literally everything else that also makes it easier.

Animation cancelling. You can do that in DST, but not DS. It's the difference between Devil May Cry and Dark Souls. You're going to have to eat hits if you time your swings badly if you can't animation cancel. DST will let you walk away from the mob you're trying to kill even mid swing. The inflated health numbers on the mobs don't mean anything if you're not actually being hit more.

[Dextops]

4 minutes ago, Monkey Cups said:

Animation cancelling. You can do that in DST, but not DS. It's the difference between Devil May Cry and Dark Souls. You're going to have to eat hits if you time your swings badly if you can't animation cancel. DST will let you walk away from the mob you're trying to kill even mid swing. The inflated health numbers on the mobs don't mean anything if you're not actually being hit more.

Ds had armor stacking which was infinitely more powerful 

[Monkey Cups]

24 minutes ago, Dextops said:

Ds had armor stacking which was infinitely more powerful 

DST has Wanda, who can literally teleport away from hits. Armor stacking isn't as strong as you're making it out to be.

[Dextops]

10 minutes ago, Monkey Cups said:

DST has Wanda, who can literally teleport away from hits. Armor stacking isn't as strong as you're making it out to be.

you can... just kite. wanda's backtrek watch isn't as strong as you're making it out to be while in ds having 2 pieces of armour basically just made you immortal

[Monkey Cups]

3 minutes ago, Dextops said:

you can... just kite. wanda's backtrek watch isn't as strong as you're making it out to be while in ds having 2 pieces of armour basically just made you immortal

You can kite in both games, what's your point? Kiting is easier in DST due to animation cancelling.

In a completely identical scenario DS is harder. In one that isn't, where we take everything else like multiplayer, ghosts, and character reworks into account, DS is still harder.

[Dextops]

Just now, Monkey Cups said:

You can kite in both games, what's your point? Kiting is easier in DST due to animation cancelling.

what was your point????? wanda's tp in fighting is absolutely useless cause kting exists, it just shows you have no idea what your talking about.

 

1 minute ago, Monkey Cups said:

In a completely identical scenario DS is harder. In one that isn't, where we take everything else like multiplayer, ghosts, and character reworks into account, DS is still harder.

you still haven't said anything about how armor stacking doesn't make everything substantially easier.