I think we need some lore about the Darkness Monster

[Szczuku]

So I'm pretty sure the most widely believed explanation for the Darkness Monster not killing us when we're wearing Moggles or have a light source is that Charlie doesn't want to be seen. Well, the newest patch kind of shattered that as we now have Charlie straight up appear and even wave bye-bye to the survivors.

And I'll address the Forgotten Knowledge trailer right now: yes, Charlie is seen by Maxwell and Winona but it seems to be in a "she accidentally let her veil slip"-manner rather than what she does with the gateway.

So now, that Charlie is comfortable showing herself to the survivors, the question is: why doesn't she just murder them? I know that this is the kind of issue that you have to think about for a while to see but still - one of ds/t core mechanics shouldn't have a sloppy lore.

It would be nice if we could get some lore regarding the Night Monster. Klei could put a hard confirm on the "Metheus (ancient torchwielder) is corrupted by the shadows and fused with Charlie" thing and drop some extra facts about it, explaining why moggles protect us.

[-Variant]

Replace her with the Shadow Pitbull.
Have her sick her lil Crawling Horrors on you in the dark.

Bit aside I do think something else taking her spot wouldn't be the worst thing. I'm struggling to still apply her to the Monster in the dark 'biting' survivors (That animation is not a bite.) Just doesn't feel as believable anymore. 

[Primalflower]

i don't really understand. You came up with your own arbitrary, mostly baseless rule with regards to how this character works and then became distraught whenever the game went in a different direction to your theory.

in my book, what causes charlie to attack is the lack of perception. The inability to perceive your surroundings, for your vision to be completely black while still conscious, is what causes her to attack.

[Frosty_Mentos]

I feel like she just punishes survivors in the dark cause either it's her shadowy side having the sadistic side of wanting them to be toyed with (since most survivors can survive her first attack, unless you're maxwell or wes armorless) or it's been a tradition of teaching survivors to not linger in the dark for too long cause she doesn't like them being in her domain of sorts.

Quoting Willow on Magiluminesence 'It seems to absorb darkness around it' meaning it's not just that it's just all dark, it's actual dimensional entity of sorts which is Charlie since she takes and plunges the world into darkness. Likely the "sun" also does the same thing. Assuming that's how yellow gem magic worlds in the world, other being fires and lightbulbs that instead 'repel' darkness as a more normal kind of light sources they are. Maxwell I believe having quotes of them 'it'll keep Charlie away'. 

I could be wrong about lightbulbs being a 'dark repellent' since they seem to like nightmare fuel to some degree, drinking up and growing from forest stalker's drips (So it leaving fire being what repels darkness while magic and non-combusting methods drink it in to generate light?)

My point being, Charlie is omnipresent at all times anywhere anytime while it's dark. She travels in speeds ordinary survivors won't keep up and get toyed with and darkness is her domain. She uses her magic to damage survivor insides or drain them of their health, animation it showing not necessarily represents on what happens cause it's not supposed to be seen technically. It's outdated for all things we know unless changed or confirmed. Does it matter though how that works? Not really... Most times we'd not witness how it happens unless playing a friend with moggles on. Why'd they add the animation is unclear, but assuming they just wanted to add it cause they could and multiplayer is a thing and people could find it interesting or animation looking cool.

Why'd she appear though? It's a fairly important event and she's more than eager and impatient to finish her task she made herself and survivors do and it can be seen from the cutscene for how happy she was while she was leaving. She's back to being omnipresent while also back in the throne room she plans and spies on survivors who steps into darkness to be used as toys to play with.

At least that's my analysis.

[-Nick-]

1 hour ago, -Variant said:

Replace her with the Shadow Pitbull.
Have her sick her lil Crawling Horrors on you in the dark.

Here's the problem though, it will only effect the child characters.

[HowlVoid]

I thought that the one who attacked us was

The having a "seizure" charlie with the shadow hair. 

It's also entirely possible that charlie is keeping the character from the darkness for her own reasons.

For example:

To keep us from being insane too long and becoming tainted with fuel. (Being complete darkness cause great sanity loss). 

To make us stronger, what does kill you makes you stronger in this case.

She's bored.

Idk, there's a lot of possibilities.

Edit: I forgot shadow charlie may not exist anymore cause she combined with Charlie and made a perfect harmony or something transformation. But maybe she still has those tendencies inside her?

[Antynomity]

You're reaching.

[MostMerryTomcat]

19 hours ago, Primalflower said:

i don't really understand. You came up with your own arbitrary, mostly baseless rule with regards to how this character works and then became distraught whenever the game went in a different direction to your theory.

Fair enough. OP made some suppositions, not without a base - namely: DST "lore" being all over the place, full of inconsistencies and "plot holes"; especially when comparing old, original DS "lore" with current, post ANR one - aka "Return of Them" onward.

 

19 hours ago, Primalflower said:

in my book, what causes charlie to attack is the lack of perception. The inability to perceive your surroundings, for your vision to be completely black while still conscious, is what causes her to attack.

Then you proceed with your own "head canon"/fan-fiction, aka other suppositions. Your assumption is no better than OPs. Not much ground to criticize what first posting presented on same kind of premise: personal interpretations.

 

If anything, people shouldn't be so hang on DS/T "lore" - it was an afterthought even in the single-player original. Its current state - from Ruins' statues to Archives to what the 2 Eldritch horror beings (Moon/Alter & Shadow/Horror One-Eyed ones) may be and their presentation format - is kind of a given to be faulty. "And that's ok".

[GenomeSquirrel]

I think Charlie is still stuck to the throne, whatever we interacted with was similar to whatever Maxwell used in single player.

 

[Szczuku]

1 hour ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

I think Charlie is still stuck to the throne, whatever we interacted with was similar to whatever Maxwell used in single player.

It would be amazing if in the future trailer we saw Charlie sitting on the Throne, all confident, doing some scheming, like in the ending of Maxwell's cinematic, only for the Ragtime to suddently start playing, to Charlie's surprise.

"Even the Queen in bound to the board"

[astroapyr]

I think the story explains itself already including the game content, though not very clear.

She shows herself because the story is developing in-game too and, as the Shadow Courier skill says, "the Queen" acknowledges your strength when you defeat the Ancient Fuelweaver and since there's a developing conflict between Her and Alter, her appearance could be a symbol of her alliance to all survivors that took part in the fight because they are useful for her goals. But of course, survivors are just tools and she remains being Queen, so she "snatches anyone foolish enough to wander in the dark".

[. . .]

The darkness monster was never Charlie to begin with... the real culprit is below...

Spoiler

IT WAS GRUE ALL A LONG!!!

[sudoku]

On 6/17/2023 at 5:30 PM, HowlVoid said:

I thought that the one who attacked us was

 

same. i thought the new reign trailer showed how she struggles with the darkness inside her. At night when darkness is at its purest it makes sense she would revert to this primal form to attack, and in the day she is able to have better control over the darkness. 

Just my theory.

[lenship2]

17 hours ago, . . . said:

GRUE

only on day 1000 though

Spoiler

the grue no longer fears the light of day

 

 

[Capybara007]

Dst lore having inconsistencies and ideas that the devs added on the go without prior considerations is nothing new

like how despite maxwell being trapped in the constant for an eternity he just so happens to not know the atrium or the archives

and how wilson had to build a complicated machine while most of the cast just said yes to a radio and got teleported

Spoiler

and no, wilson was the first one to arrive at the constant, he did not connect the constant to the real world

 

[gamehun20]

22 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

and how wilson had to build a complicated machine while most of the cast just said yes to a radio and got teleported

He wanted knowledge he got knowledge to his doom

[TheTrueStickman]

On 6/17/2023 at 4:51 PM, Szczuku said:

So I'm pretty sure the most widely believed explanation for the Darkness Monster not killing us when we're wearing Moggles or have a light source is that Charlie doesn't want to be seen. Well, the newest patch kind of shattered that as we now have Charlie straight up appear and even wave bye-bye to the survivors.

And I'll address the Forgotten Knowledge trailer right now: yes, Charlie is seen by Maxwell and Winona but it seems to be in a "she accidentally let her veil slip"-manner rather than what she does with the gateway.

So now, that Charlie is comfortable showing herself to the survivors, the question is: why doesn't she just murder them? I know that this is the kind of issue that you have to think about for a while to see but still - one of ds/t core mechanics shouldn't have a sloppy lore.

It would be nice if we could get some lore regarding the Night Monster. Klei could put a hard confirm on the "Metheus (ancient torchwielder) is corrupted by the shadows and fused with Charlie" thing and drop some extra facts about it, explaining why moggles protect us.

My personal interpretation is that Charlie would be able to be blocked by the characters if she tried attacking while they're able to see, seeing as Winona manages to block her attacks in the dark just from memory of how she fights.
Now the real question is why she doesn't attack you while you're asleep.