Has klei considered increase the chance of orb spawning?

[flyingfishlyl]

With the new update of "From Beyond", as a speed runner I really wanna complete champion run fast and then try the new stuff from the update. However it's so frustrating that after ruin rush, moon event, pearl quest, ck fight, wigstuff little game all complete in first winter, orb still does not spawn even after like a whole year. So many run failed due to this reason and I would really appreciate that klei reconsiders how orb spawns. 

[Mike23Ua]

Goodluck, I had mine spawn 200+ days into my world.

[flyingfishlyl]

3 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Goodluck, I had mine spawn 200+ days into my world.

This is like the biggest pain of a speed  runner and you have no way but wait lol.

[Electroely]

I'd love if the Orb were forced to spawn when the moonstorms start. That way speedrunning the boss is feasible.

[Maxil20]

I really hope they look into it. I’ve always been interested in a champ rush, but the RNG to get the orb has always bothered me.

I personally feel that if I were to change it, I feel a scripted meteor shower in one of the meteor fields right after you start the moonstorms that will always drop the celestial orb in said shower would be a good way of handling it.

[flyingfishlyl]

1 minute ago, Electroely said:

I'd love if the Orb were forced to spawn when the moonstorms start. That way speedrunning the boss is feasible.

That's a damn great idea!!! who should we tag for them to know. 

2 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

I really hope they look into it. I’ve always been interested in a champ rush, but the RNG to get the orb has always bothered me.

I personally feel that if I were to change it, I feel a scripted meteor shower in one of the meteor fields right after you start the moonstorms that will always drop the celestial orb in said shower would be a good way of handling it.

Yeah I really like this idea. 

[Electroely]

2 minutes ago, flyingfishlyl said:

That's a damn great idea!!! who should we tag for them to know. 

I'm not sure if tagging them works. If they don't see this by the time the next update comes around, throwing the suggestion into the beta subforum while one is active might help get their attention.

[flyingfishlyl]

@JoeW we are having great idea here!

[Tin Can]

6 hours ago, Electroely said:

I'd love if the Orb were forced to spawn when the moonstorms start. That way speedrunning the boss is feasible.

YEAH IT ONLY MAKES SENSE. the moonrock spawning in meteor showers implies that Alter is shedding, and since Alter awakens when the moonstorms start it only makes sense that the celestial orb forcefully spawns since so much is being shed when the moonstorms start

[Cassielu]

It has a high probability and a guarantee mechanism. For most people who encounter this problem. The Orb wasn't spawn is not because low probability , but because the meteor field was full of boulders and couldn't spawn. You need to clear the meteor field to make sure it has space to spawn.

[Guille6785]

good luck getting this changed considering how many people on these forums were strongly against removing the season lock from pearl lmao

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DST is a really fun game to speedrun and (contrary to popular belief) rng is what makes it interesting despite the amount of people that like to say that the game sucks for speedrunning because of it, and I really really really wish klei didn't have this negative attitude towards it where it seems like they do everything in their power to make speedrunning as slow and tedious as physically possible to nobody's benefit

the other day I watched a re4 remake speedrun and it was fun to see how many hidden skips the developers intentionally left in the game for speedrunners to find, speedrunning is basically free advertising (especially for games without a particularly big playerbase) and brings a lot of interest and potentially new players in as it's more popular on youtube than it has ever been, I seriously beg klei to reconsider their attitude towards the way they design certain things

personally if it were up to me I'd allow the celestial sanctum pieces to be dug without an astral detector and most importantly remove the orb requirement from the lunar siphonator, I know there's lore reasons and whatever blah blah but that's lame

 

[flyingfishlyl]

2 hours ago, Cassielu said:

It has a high probability and a guarantee mechanism. For most people who encounter this problem. The Orb wasn't spawn is not because low probability , but because the meteor field was full of boulders and couldn't spawn. You need to clear the meteor field to make sure it has space to spawn.

I did clean the whole meteor field as shown in the screenshot but still it did not spawn until prob day 65. It's kinda frustrating when you started moon storm before day 30 but have to wait util day 65 or even later just for orb to spawn to make the "from beyond" content possible. 

33 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

good luck getting this changed considering how many people on these forums were strongly against removing the season lock from pearl lmao

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DST is a really fun game to speedrun and (contrary to popular belief) rng is what makes it interesting despite the amount of people that like to say that the game sucks for speedrunning because of it, and I really really really wish klei didn't have this negative attitude towards it where it seems like they do everything in their power to make speedrunning as slow and tedious as physically possible to nobody's benefit

the other day I watched a re4 remake speedrun and it was fun to see how many hidden skips the developers intentionally left in the game for speedrunners to find, speedrunning is basically free advertising (especially for games without a particularly big playerbase) and brings a lot of interest and potentially new players in as it's more popular on youtube than it has ever been, I seriously beg klei to reconsider their attitude towards the way they design certain things

personally if it were up to me I'd allow the celestial sanctum pieces to be dug without an astral detector and most importantly remove the orb requirement from the lunar siphonator, I know there's lore reasons and whatever blah blah but that's lame

 

Totally agree that speedrunning makes the game more interesting and attractive. It's totally fine for player who likes casual mode and does not do speed running, but those op player who does speedrunning definitely bring positive impact to this game. It's ok for me to have many tedious steps to complete but the orb spawn mechanism is quite different. "There is nothing you can do but wait" is so annoying for speedrunning. All other prerequisites can be completed somehow but for orb you can do nothing but wait. 

[Mike23Ua]

I’m pretty sure that “Speed Running” is meant to be a Solo Endeavor that you impose upon yourself, DST isn’t designed in that manor- DST is designed with some poorly thought out & highly wacky multiplayer decisions & I for one do not think it’s a good idea to encourage Speed Running unless it’s in your own private servers that aren’t effecting other people. Which is NOT the case with DST, Players can Speed Rush brand new world changes onto other players & overall it’s not GOOD that they can do that..

Perhaps this maybe why pearls quest was originally tied to summer or the orb doesn’t spawn super early, it’s to guarantee a certain point where rushing it to happen would be impossible.

And while it does suck a bit to wait till day 200 for your Celestial Orb to finally spawn, at least people aren’t forcing After CC EndGames down onto others.

[lakhnish]

I wouldn't even say this is an issue isolated to speedruns but even for casual playthroughs.

I've seen tons of posts over the years where people play for like 140 days but for some reason, they never get the orb to spawn.

I think it has to do with the fact that although after day 70, it's guaranteed to spawn, it still relies on replacing a certain type of rock the meteors spawns, which isn't guaranteed to spawn. I don't remember the entire details.

[Hornete]

11 hours ago, Cassielu said:

It has a high probability and a guarantee mechanism. For most people who encounter this problem. The Orb wasn't spawn is not because low probability , but because the meteor field was full of boulders and couldn't spawn. You need to clear the meteor field to make sure it has space to spawn.

This is just straight up false, meteors do not care about currently existing boulders, they spawn regardless.

The real reason is because the chance is quite literally expotentially less when the meteors happen off-screen.

First of all, meteor showers are delayed/retried for a I believe up to half a day or more off-screen, the intent being the game wants to have the meteor showers happen when the player can view them. But if enough time passes it'll just do the meteor shower anyways.

Then when the shower starts off-screen, the game I believe skips over every other meteor, halving the amount of meteors that spawn. And for the meteors that do spawn? They take up more "cost" lowering the max amount of large meteors that can spawn, plus the chance for large meteors to spawn is halved.

And it doesn't end there, there is then another halved chance for the large meteor to contain a moon rock boulder (which is what the loot table the game uses to convert to the boulder to the one containing the Celestial Orb).

And of course, the chance for it to actually convert into the boulder containing the Celestial Orb.

Chances upon chances upon chances upon chances! .

@flyingfishlyl For next time, you'll essentially have to afk in the mosaic biome. Not the most fun thing I know. My friends had done a little CC rush of their own and they had some set up a mini base in the mosaic to increase the chances for the orb to spawn, they were able to get it around day 13 or 14 and kill Champion on the 24th. Here's to hoping they make it so orb force-spawns when moonstorm is activated. Only improves the experience for everyone!

 

[Cassielu]

40 minutes ago, Hornete said:

This is just straight up false, meteors do not care about currently existing boulders, they spawn regardless.

Meteors themselves do spawn, but when there are enough boulders nearby, meteors will not spawn new boulders. So you will not have a chance to get the Celestial Orb Boulder.

[Hornete]

21 minutes ago, Cassielu said:

Meteors themselves do spawn, but when there are enough boulders nearby, meteors will not spawn new boulders. So you will not have a chance to get the Celestial Orb Boulder.

Looks like you are right, my bad. Though what I said still applies.

[AlternateMew]

6 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’m pretty sure that “Speed Running” is meant to be a Solo Endeavor that you impose upon yourself, DST isn’t designed in that manor

Most games are not designed for speedrunning. In many cases, that just makes it more fun. Speedrunning is intentionally pushing the limits of the game and very often uncovers really niche bugs and exploits to complete things in an insane manner beyond a normal player's comprehension.

While I wouldn't expect something to be *designed* around speedrunning, I don't think some way to force this particular thing would be bad.

[flyingfishlyl]

8 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’m pretty sure that “Speed Running” is meant to be a Solo Endeavor that you impose upon yourself, DST isn’t designed in that manor- DST is designed with some poorly thought out & highly wacky multiplayer decisions & I for one do not think it’s a good idea to encourage Speed Running unless it’s in your own private servers that aren’t effecting other people. Which is NOT the case with DST, Players can Speed Rush brand new world changes onto other players & overall it’s not GOOD that they can do that..

Perhaps this maybe why pearls quest was originally tied to summer or the orb doesn’t spawn super early, it’s to guarantee a certain point where rushing it to happen would be impossible.

And while it does suck a bit to wait till day 200 for your Celestial Orb to finally spawn, at least people aren’t forcing After CC EndGames down onto others.

Dst does not need to be designed to for speedrunning. But most speed runner are the most op player of the game and do help exploits new and challenging way of playing the game and facilitate game spreading in media platform, which is definitely good for the game. No matter solo speedrunning or do it as a group, it's just too bad to have to wait and stuck somewhere.