Maxwell rework is so disappointing...

[Copyafriend]

5 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

Bluntly speaking I think you are bad at the game. There is nothing wrong with that, it's all about having fun, but you really shouldn't argue about balance if you haven't mastered the game yet. My opinion that is. 

I dont know where my original reply went but i’ll say it again in a shorter manner:

i like the basic mechanics, if i wasnt so experienced the game WOULD still be difficult. I primarily play lights out, and wormwood is my favorite character for it.

insulting me and saying i am bad and inexperienced is just you being rude and nothing else.

 

3 minutes ago, Dragonboooorn said:

A words well spoken. Couldnt say better myself

No you two just want him to be really strong, and i dont agree. I am not “sabotaging” maxwell, he is a in game character. I like maxwell. I want maxwell to be challenging and not have his minions literally play the game for him. 
 

Im done in this thread too, but its actually more because you three have devolved into personal attacks.

 

just because i disagree with your OPINION on the STRENGTH of a character i LIKE doesnt mean i dislike maxwell. Thats not a healthy mentality, i just disagree with you.

[Gi-Go]

5 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

I want maxwell to be challenging and not have his minions literally play the game for him. 

And? Did the nerf achieve it? 

[Copyafriend]

Just now, Gi-Go said:

And? Did the nerf achieve it? 

I mean i think i already said my opinion on the current state of maxwells beta (its not a nerf if its a beta, its an adjustment  )

[Gi-Go]

Just now, Copyafriend said:

I mean i think i already said my opinion on the current state of maxwells beta (its not a nerf if its a beta, its an adjustment  )

You didn't said anything about Wanda + Maxwell combo. Are we seriously pretending multiplayer dosen't exist?

[Dragonboooorn]

10 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

just because i disagree with your OPINION on the STRENGTH of a character i LIKE doesnt mean i dislike maxwell. Thats not a healthy mentality, i just disagree with you.

In a very rare moments, some opinions might be wrong. 

Im not pointing finger at anyone, but your view on Maxwell as "a guy who cant be strong cuz hes just a plot character" sounds offensive to those who like Maxwell very much. And you only want Maxwell to be nerfed for the sake of it. 

Your whole posts really are only about sabotagin Max, no?

thats sus

[oCrapaCreeper]

I'm probably the biggest Maxwell fanboy around,  but Copyafriend is correct and making it personal doesn't change that.

[Copyafriend]

3 minutes ago, Dragonboooorn said:

In a very rare moments, some opinions might be wrong. 

Im not pointing finger at anyone, but your view on Maxwell as "a guy who cant be strong cuz hes just a plot character" sounds offensive to those who like Maxwell very much. And you only want Maxwell to be nerfed for the sake of it. 

Your whole posts really are only about sabotagin Max, no?

thats sus

“Sus” 

 

I’ll give you this advice, it’ll help you in life, especially once you start looking for a spouse (if you’re into that sorta thing)

 

theres no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to opinions, at the end of the day you cant change mine and i cant change yours. Either communicate why you feel that your opinion should be listened to, or drop it. 
 

and i didnt say maxwell CANT be strong, nor did i say he SHOULDN’T be strong at all, because he is in his current position. I said that he isnt a god of the constant or an all powerful wizard, hes just a guy with 1 (count it) 1. Magical book. He’s plot relevant, but thats about it.

9 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

You didn't said anything about Wanda + Maxwell combo. Are we seriously pretending multiplayer dosen't exist?

Man, i dont make the game, why are you being so rude to me. Theres a broken combo that cheeses the game, it should be removed. Do you want a cookie for bringing it to my attention?

[JoeW]

Keep things on-topic without getting into personal arguments please. 

[Roodmas]

I like the Maxwell we have now in the beta. He's easy to pick up, challenging to master. He has something for casual gameplay, but quite a lot for endgame boss fighting.

I like the fact that they did not make him a god, rather the magician that he is by trade. And they are super creative with the concept.

I hope they don't revert these changes just because a few people did not get what they were expecting.

[-Nick-]

Just now, Roodmas said:

I like the Maxwell we have now in the beta. He's easy to pick up, challenging to master. He has something for casual gameplay, but quite a lot for endgame boss fighting.

I like the fact that they did not make him a god, rather the magician that he is by trade. And they are super creative with the concept.

I hope they don't revert these changes just because a few people did not get what they were expecting.

I love it aswell. The duelists are perfect imo.

Only one wish I have is a follow command for shadows.

[Dragonboooorn]

1 hour ago, Copyafriend said:

honestly maxwell being important to the plot has nothing to do with whether he should be strong or not.

This.

We all see every characters growing and become much stronger due to lore and DST being sequel (Woodie got more control over curse thanks to Wickerbottom advices, The fall of the moon throwing new curses on him).

And you saying Maxwell shouldnt be strong with all the lore and plot DST have? Then why the heck Wanda appeared out of nowhere and became the best character with so much perks? It makes no sence.

Perhaps people see you as Maxwell hater for a reson?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

everytime i see someone saying that wanda has a watch that makes her inmune to damage i wonder if they ever played her. Her i-frames needs a lot of practise and aren't useful 90%of the time...

[Copyafriend]

7 minutes ago, Nickolai said:

I love it aswell. The duelists are perfect imo.

Only one wish I have is a follow command for shadows.

Honestly im happy with the tradeoff. Being able to leave them places is ready useful to let them cut down my forest while i set up another one or two to crack my stonefruit or harvest my grass (i haven’t actually seen how efficient they are at that, i keep forgetting it was added) 

im fine with not having them follow me in exchange for leaving them to work while i do stuff

2 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

everytime i see someone saying that wanda has a watch that makes her inmune to damage i wonder if they ever played her. Her i-frames needs a lot of practise and aren't useful 90%of the time...

Staying in old age without dying is actually pretty difficult too, its so easy to heal yourself out of old age and lose out on dps for a bit

[Gi-Go]

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

everytime i see someone saying that wanda has a watch that makes her inmune to damage i wonder if they ever played her. Her i-frames needs a lot of practise and aren't useful 90%of the time...

And that's why you don't use them. You dodge like a normal person. 

[SullyD]

Funny, most of those who think he is good at this nerf patch probably don't play or never played as Maxwell and won't after the rework.

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• Damage absorption gradually becomes less effective for Duelists that aren’t being attacked, and resets once they are hit.
  • This limits the tankiness of a Duelist party against a boss with no AoE, without changing their effectiveness individually or in AoE heavy encounters.

Only this was needed in this patch, the rest of the nerfs don't make any sense...

[Copyafriend]

Just now, Gi-Go said:

And that's why you don't use them. You dodge like a normal person. 

I think theres plenty of situations where wandas dodge watch is worth using, its faster than dodging normally and you can always deconstruct it afterwards at no cost

[Gi-Go]

4 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

I think theres plenty of situations where wandas dodge watch is worth using, its faster than dodging normally and you can always deconstruct it afterwards at no cost

True, true. But there are plenty more situations where you better off without them. 

[-Nick-]

12 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

Honestly im happy with the tradeoff. Being able to leave them places is ready useful to let them cut down my forest while i set up another one or two to crack my stonefruit or harvest my grass (i haven’t actually seen how efficient they are at that, i keep forgetting it was added) 

im fine with not having them follow me in exchange for leaving them to work while i do stuff

Yeah stationary shadows are really helpful. I just think a follow command would be really benificial. Able to relocate shadows to areas where they couldn't quite reach with thier default radius, or easily direct shadow duelists in a battle.

[Copyafriend]

15 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

True, true. But there are plenty more situations where you better off without them. 

Oh yeah for sure, but i just keep one on me past day like 15ish, not like im hurting for thulecite so bad i cant spare an extra few fragments

[Joey9Baka]

I don't get why people pretend the old expensive infinite follow harvesters and duelists were good. 

New harvesters can level a larger area without needing to be micromanaged allowing maxwell to be more than a manager

Also duelists when engaged ignore the circle and just fight anyway so their circle is irrelevant 

[DajeKotlyar]

I like update. I tried it today and it's feel a lot better that before. It more fells as really shadow master, not a shadow... user or smt

 

[Frosty_Mentos]

On 11/4/2022 at 2:41 AM, Hyperpsychic said:

Oh Please Maxwell is not even close of Wickerbottom, Wickerbottom can do much more and her books is nerfed for Maxwell to use and first of all is HER books, you saying that Maxwell can read Wicker books only proves the point that he is not even close to her by yourself. And his gimmick is summon minions but all of her minions can easily be substituted by other characters and features

You're absolutely wrong. Maxwell's only nerf on her books is a 2.5x more sanity loss and shadow monsters being spawned from overcasting. Counters to that is casting spells mostly on Lunar island which negates all penalties for both characters. It doesn't prove a point either that both characters are magic casters, while Wicker is more useful anywhere around Maxwell still does just as fine as a substitute.

They're both magicians and they've got their own gimmicks, Wicker the provider of magic writer and all while Maxwell being a minion summoner whom can use her magic to his own advantage. In the end I'd quick swap characters from Wicker after making her books to Maxwell because he'll have all the tools I'll ever need in the game.

And there's no point in nerfing this any bit or take away his ability to use her spells. He can still stand on his own well without Wicker but he's much more useful after she done her job. Even having her around to replenish things like tenticles for boss farming and other farm uses still makes her valuable asset for just keeping her around when Maxwell isn't especially when on main land.

Both characters are fine, this is silly, done arguing.

[Hyperpsychic]

10 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

You're absolutely wrong. Maxwell's only nerf on her books is a 2.5x more sanity loss and shadow monsters being spawned from overcasting. Counters to that is casting spells mostly on Lunar island which negates all penalties for both characters. It doesn't prove a point either that both characters are magic casters, while Wicker is more useful anywhere around Maxwell still does just as fine as a substitute.

They're both magicians and they've got their own gimmicks, Wicker the provider of magic writer and all while Maxwell being a minion summoner whom can use her magic to his own advantage. In the end I'd quick swap characters from Wicker after making her books to Maxwell because he'll have all the tools I'll ever need in the game.

And there's no point in nerfing this any bit or take away his ability to use her spells. He can still stand on his own well without Wicker but he's much more useful after she done her job. Even having her around to replenish things like tenticles for boss farming and other farm uses still makes her valuable asset for just keeping her around when Maxwell isn't especially when on main land.

Both characters are fine, this is silly, done arguing.

Already said the books are from Wickerbottom, not Maxwell, this has nothing to do with his rework and even now after 3 or 4 hotfix Maxwell still not compared to her in versatility.
I completely disagree with you and this will not take us anywhere so I will not discuss about this anymore.

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Back to Maxwell rework, Maxwell servants are in a really good place right now, I have nothing to complain about. I'd like to see Klei work in some other features for him, as I said before would be great if he could at least have two more magic options. We have so much original powers or mechanics that never were used before:

-Transfer sanity
-Exchange sanity
-Hide allies (invisibility, magician thematic)
-Bubble protection (full invulnerability, short time of course)
-Shield protection (adds shield value to life)
-Induce insanity to allies
-Buff ally at self-sacrifice (Wolfgang trailer)
-Draw cards (each card suit has different effects, magician thematic)
-Save from death (coffin trick, with some penalty, magician thematic)
-Induce to sleep (hypnosis)
-Levitating with cape (magician thematic)
-Reveal bosses on map

Also Maxwell could start the game with at least the minimum knowledge of magic, it won't change so much but this adds for his rework and lore.