Hostile flare changes

[JustExo]

Deerclops spawning from the hostile flare is fine because Deerclops' eyeball isn't even as good of a drop as people are making it out to be

Its used in 2 things, and half of those things can be replaced with catapults in most scenarios, the other half of those things create a scenario where you and your friends have to argue over who gets this sought after item, and who is stuck with using an umbrella the following season which is a very lame scenario to be stuck in

Deerclops should be able to be spawned in with the hostile flare because this game does not need more sitting around and waiting for a timer to tick down to get desirable items

[Cheggf]

3 minutes ago, JustExo said:

Deerclops spawning from the hostile flare is fine because Deerclops' eyeball isn't even as good of a drop as people are making it out to be

Its used in 2 things, and half of those things can be replaced with catapults in most scenarios, the other half of those things create a scenario where you and your friends have to argue over who gets this sought after item, and who is stuck with using an umbrella the following season which is a very lame scenario to be stuck in

Deerclops should be able to be spawned in with the hostile flare because this game does not need more sitting around and waiting for a timer to tick down to get desirable items

Why are you arguing over who gets a bad drop? Doesn't make sense.

[JustExo]

7 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Why are you arguing over who gets a bad drop? Doesn't make sense.

Because its a bad drop locked behind a timer

Never once have I looked at this game and thought "You know what this game needs more of? Sitting around doing nothing"

If people want the item, they should have a way to get it that doesn't requires waiting for another cycle

[BezKa]

If you have nothing to do during the entire year but sit in a corner and wait for something to happen that's on you. Is the goal of the entire game to get the eyeball or something?

[Dextops]

1 hour ago, maxwell_winters said:

 

Getting growls warning that give you a few minutes to prepare ≠ taking as long as you want to prepare, choosing a good place to fight and launching a flare. 

except she always comes day 30 so yes you have as much time as you want to prepare and choosing a good place to fight

[maxwell_winters]

7 minutes ago, Dextops said:

she always comes day 30

It doesn't always work for me. Sometimes, it spawns even on day 35. 

[Dextops]

4 minutes ago, maxwell_winters said:

It doesn't always work for me. Sometimes, it spawns even on day 35. 

???

unless you messed with world gen setting i am 99% sure he will spawn on day 30

[Spino43]

I guess he stays in the caves for a while at day 30

[Lord Cafe]

Why there so many people complaining about Deerclops?

Dude it's a multiplayer game why just one player should have the Eyebrela and the rest of other players not? This hurts begginers a lot cus veterans player will say "I killed him so I DESERVE" while begginers can't kill Deer cus they are begginnners so being able to summon more bosses is a win for everyone, i'm wicker main so i don't let rain unless it's summer(then i'll force rain all the time) Eyebrela it's no game breaker but it's a really good tool for beginners and again, is not fair just only one player having the item by each season, would take like, 6-8 seasons on a Klei server to everyone get the item and most of the servers don't even get to more than 40 days...

Is so sad that people really ask for unecessary nerfs, this item it's basicly a way to get loot that EVERYONE deserve since EVERYONE is fighting the boss and not just cus some dude got 100 on the rolls or picked the eye first or even killed the boss without saying to anyone,this is way better than forcing loot drop to everyone cus would be preety weird to see deerclops droping three eyes if there three players playing... instead of nerf they could create diferent flares or give delays for not massive farm of eyes.

[Cheggf]

3 hours ago, JustExo said:

Because its a bad drop locked behind a timer

Never once have I looked at this game and thought "You know what this game needs more of? Sitting around doing nothing"

If people want the item, they should have a way to get it that doesn't requires waiting for another cycle

But why do you want a bad drop? If it's a bad drop you should just not care at all, like figure sketches. And what's up with this "sitting around doing nothing"? Are you only playing the game so that you can fight deerclops and you go afk when you can't? I'm not sure the accessibility of the eyebrella will help with that.

[JustExo]

3 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

But why do you want a bad drop? If it's a bad drop you should just not care at all, like figure sketches. And what's up with this "sitting around doing nothing"? Are you only playing the game so that you can fight deerclops and you go afk when you can't? I'm not sure the accessibility of the eyebrella will help with that.

Because it's free healing and hunger and because I want it. I choose to sit around as wx with full hunger circuits with a funcap and a hibearnation vest, and only move when hounds happen and that's just to activate my already established hound traps with houndius shootiuses
the eyebrella will help with keeping me dry whenever it starts raining while I'm AFKing in my hound trap

But since we both seem to agree that it's a bad drop, I don't see what the issue is with wanting the option there since the drop isn't even worth it to begin with. This means nothing is being lost by including it as a feature to the item

[Well-met]

The item was a terrible idea to begin with and is a testament to what happens when a dev listens to whiny players

[Dextops]

42 minutes ago, Well-met said:

The item was a terrible idea to begin with and is a testament to what happens when a dev listens to whiny players

Yeah, except when devs listen to you it's not at all being whiny.
Please tell me, why are you so against removing any empty waiting space from the game? it adds nothing to the gameplay because it is quite literally just nothing in the first place.

[Capybara007]

Most of the complains about the flare in this thread are about people saying it removed a nonexisting inmersion they thought really made the game super special

Im happy the hostile flare stays as it is

[Nicolas Liu]

Come on. Just sit around and wait for the boss to come? You are just coming to the dst world and then you already have the god-like power? Ridiculous. The problem of it is that it is way too cheap. Such nature-controlling item is not meant for the beginning.

11 hours ago, Lord Cafe said:

Why there so many people complaining about Deerclops?

Dude it's a multiplayer game why just one player should have the Eyebrela and the rest of other players not? This hurts begginers a lot cus veterans player will say "I killed him so I DESERVE" while begginers can't kill Deer cus they are begginnners so being able to summon more bosses is a win for everyone, i'm wicker main so i don't let rain unless it's summer(then i'll force rain all the time) Eyebrela it's no game breaker but it's a really good tool for beginners and again, is not fair just only one player having the item by each season, would take like, 6-8 seasons on a Klei server to everyone get the item and most of the servers don't even get to more than 40 days...

Is so sad that people really ask for unecessary nerfs, this item it's basicly a way to get loot that EVERYONE deserve since EVERYONE is fighting the boss and not just cus some dude got 100 on the rolls or picked the eye first or even killed the boss without saying to anyone,this is way better than forcing loot drop to everyone cus would be preety weird to see deerclops droping three eyes if there three players playing... instead of nerf they could create diferent flares or give delays for not massive farm of eyes.

Umbrellas are not so bad, aren't they? There are countless ways to make it through spring and summer, just that other people cannot use the optimal solution.

 

[loopuleasa]

15 hours ago, JustExo said:

If people want the item, they should have a way to get it that doesn't requires waiting for another cycle

This is where I disagree.

The boss is a seasonal boss for a reason.

[Capybara007]

If you dont use eyebrella you just use umbrella + helmet, is not difficult nor fun

[BezKa]

24 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

If you dont use eyebrella you just use umbrella + helmet, is not difficult nor fun

then why do you want more eyeballs if it's not difficult

[Capybara007]

1 minute ago, BezKa said:

then why do you want more eyeballs if it's not difficult

Because everyone wants to hold a cane while being inmune to wetness

[Nicolas Liu]

24 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

Because everyone wants to hold a cane while being inmune to wetness

In multiplayer game you get many players such that you get resources quicker and fight bosses easier in the mid or late game. So it is reasonable that you have harder time in early game. Nothing comes for free

[ThymeSpirit]

14 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

Because everyone wants to hold a cane while being inmune to wetness

Tame a beefalo and you won't need a cane, or armor, or weapon.

People complain about eyebrellas being easily accessible because it makes everyone play exactly the same "meta" way, instead of using different methods to solve a problem. But maybe the solution is to make it less "meta" instead of rare. And I'm pretty sure it's what they're doing already - the eyebrella seems to lose durability much faster in the beta.

[Capybara007]

25 minutes ago, ThymeSpirit said:

the eyebrella seems to lose durability much faster in the beta.

that isnt true

i think that trying other methods is a great thing, but the game forcing you to use other methods is horrible

eyebrella is the best wetness inmunity item, which makes it very efficient, you dont want to play super efficient for the sake of experience and enjoyment, that is alright and perfectly valid, no need to make other players do so aswell

[NoodlemanNed]

5 hours ago, BezKa said:

then why do you want more eyeballs if it's not difficult

it can be for a sense of equity. When deerclops dies normally only 1 person is able to get an eyebrella, and who gets it is usually determined by either a roll or whoever managed to pick up the eyeball first. Having that drop go to someone else just feels really unfair because some people may have put in more dedication in a world, only to get punished because some guy whos been on the server for 3 days managed to click the item first.

Spawning a ton of deerclops might not be the most elegant solution to this problem, but it is some kind of solution. Hopefully klei can think of a better way of allowing dedicated players to get the items they deserve, but for now this is far better than the alternative people were forced to deal with before.

[ThymeSpirit]

4 hours ago, Capybara007 said:

that isnt true

You're right, I checked the values on wiki. I guess we just got more rain on our world than usual then.

4 hours ago, Capybara007 said:

eyebrella is the best wetness inmunity item, which makes it very efficient

That's what I meant when I said it shouldn't be so meta - other ways of countering wetness should be comparable in efficiency. Deerclops is too easy, especially for a group, to give such a good item that has no comparable alternatives. Can you think of any other boss whose drop makes survival so much easier and has no good alternatives? Dragonfly's furnace is very nice, but starcaller is better in most cases. Some people say that the luxury fan from moose/goose is really good for summer, but I personally almost never see it being used. Bee queen's bundle is the only one on the same level, and she's significantly more difficult than clops.

[splorange]

On 10/18/2022 at 6:40 AM, Cheggf said:

If you think everyone having easy access to rare and powerful items is "more than fair" then why don't you just use console to spawn everyone a dc eye when you kill him

good thing we don't need to do that anymore, because we can now kill several deerclops and allow more than one player in the multiplayer-oriented game to have a strong item!

also, saying "just spawn the things in" will always be a poor argument, counter-productive, and silly

i find it especially comical in this scenario because you are making the argument to REMOVE a feature and then telling others to modify the game to make up for the removed feature

if you want validation for playing a "hard game", then you should look for self-imposed challenges. for example i didn't use bundle wraps for the longest time because i didn't enjoy using them (my mind has changed). you don't need to use an eyebrella if you find it too powerful.