More recipes Wurt can't eat.

[Evelo]

8 hours ago, abrocator said:

Potential embryos? This is Canada, not pro-life Alabama or something.

Or maybe this is China.

please don't get political. I was just concerning the definition of meat because idk what is considered edible to herbivores and not.

[Trevindo]

19 hours ago, Archswifter said:

I'm sure the day will come when they'll add more veggie related crockpot dishes.

This is also kind of silly in all honesty, just because you can use something as a filler in a recipe doesn't mean the resulting dish itself has that ingredient in it. If that were the case then I should be able to eat sticks because I made a Dragon Pie with them.

In the end I think it comes to preference versus biology, Wigfrid can eat foods with veggies in them like the Leafy Meat Dishes because she's still a human capable of doing so, and Wurt can't because she's physically unable to digest that sort of food to begin with.
I'm no expert in Merm Physiology but that seems like the most likely reason why she won't eat some of these things.

But that's the logic, if you put twigs in a recipe then it has twigs. By your logic you should be able to eat bones since you can eat "bone bouillon", which goes bone as a requirement.

18 hours ago, SirToastyToes said:

Wurt players when their one downside actually has an effect on gameplay 

But that's the point, this conversation isn't about taking Wurt's downside, even why all the characters got the new recipes, so you're telling me they had their downsides negated by the new recipes. Wigfrid is an example of this, he has access to the best recipes in the game (he can even eat vegetable meat) and that don't require him to explore the island of monkeys or venture out looking for days in a mangrove biome in the ocean, to cut a cement tree. which takes more than 20 days to grow.

18 hours ago, Dextops said:

Dst players when downsides exist (at least they used to)

Do you really have the guts to say that with characters like Wanda and Wolfgang in the game?

15 hours ago, lakhnish said:

I should have clarified.

What Wurt recipes are being affected by the change/ people are finding hard to make now?

I want to make sure since if it's something like fist full of jam, I'm pretty sure eggs are still viable, just that you have to use 2 eggs instead of 3.

The discussion is whether Wurt can eat recipes that have eggs and vegetables and that he can't take meat.

9 hours ago, Evelo said:

please don't get political. I was just concerning the definition of meat because idk what is considered edible to herbivores and not.

So medium and large herbivores can eat eggs, because many of them lay eggs, and can even eat the shells and remains of their eggs to hide the smell and not attract predators to their young. In addition, there is no equivalence between comparing eggs and meat, because eggs are the nutrient of the embryo, so much so that the eggs we buy at the supermarket are not fertilized (There is no embryo, you can try to incubate it, but nothing will hatch), that is, they has more equivalence with milk, as both are used to nourish the puppy during development. Wurt can eat milk and this is much rarer than herbivorous animals that consume eggs, as only mammals can digest milk protein.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

15 minutes ago, Trevindo said:

But that's the point, this conversation isn't about taking Wurt's downside, even why all the characters got the new recipes, so you're telling me they had their downsides negated by the new recipes. Wigfrid is an example of this, he has access to the best recipes in the game (he can even eat vegetable meat) and that don't require him to explore the island of monkeys or venture out looking for days in a mangrove biome in the ocean, to cut a cement tree. which takes more than 20 days to grow.

if the downside doesnt change the way of playing the game then the downside isnt interesting. I prefer needing that adventure you are mentioning than repeating the same things with every single character

[lakhnish]

38 minutes ago, Trevindo said:

The discussion is whether Wurt can eat recipes that have eggs and vegetables and that he can't take meat.

The game is never consistent on this point since Wigfrid can eat recipes that have vegetables in them.

It's never gonna be consistent on this point either.

[SapoLover]

12 hours ago, Trevindo said:

And I don't know if you know, but Wurt is not even an innocent child, so much so that she laughs when she sees pigs' heads on stakes

She's like 8 years old, she can't have her own ideas. Do you think she hates pigs because? No, before Wurt joined the survivors, merms were pretty much like animals in our world. They are not guided by moral reasons. The only thing merms knew was that pigs are enemies. Who knows how many times Wurt witnessed merms being murdered and eaten by pigs? She laughs at them because they "deserve" being  ridiculized after their dead.
Therefore, all the fault falls on the cirscumstances and Wurt is innocent.

Edit: Just clarify, this is the way I see the character. You're allowed to have your own theories. You can think she's a merminator whose mission is to erradicate pigs from the constant at all cost.

12 hours ago, Trevindo said:

she doesn't consume meat out of an empathy with animals, her species is simply disgusted, so much so that she doesn't eat meat vegetable for not liking the taste (Since it's something she could theoretically eat).

I'm not so sure what are you responding to, I never said she didn't eat eggs because she had emphaty for baby birds. Baby birds are made of meat, if she assumes there's a baby bird inside an egg she won't eat it.

[abrocator]

With the tin fishin bin changes I think she has gotten a tiny little buff this update.

[Evelo]

3 hours ago, Trevindo said:

So medium and large herbivores can eat eggs, because many of them lay eggs, and can even eat the shells and remains of their eggs to hide the smell and not attract predators to their young. In addition, there is no equivalence between comparing eggs and meat, because eggs are the nutrient of the embryo, so much so that the eggs we buy at the supermarket are not fertilized (There is no embryo, you can try to incubate it, but nothing will hatch), that is, they has more equivalence with milk, as both are used to nourish the puppy during development. Wurt can eat milk and this is much rarer than herbivorous animals that consume eggs, as only mammals can digest milk protein.

This I did not know, thank you.

[cybers2001]

Just let Wurt eat roughage. Problem solved

[xhyom]

I just wish there were decent vegan foods, most of them you get to lose stats instead of gaining more from cooking. It's not even a matter of being stronger, denying the disadvantages, it's just that I really enjoy cooking in this game and making different recipes. Eating raw seaweed isn't the most fun thing in the world...

[Trevindo]

On 10/6/2022 at 9:58 AM, ArubaroBeefalo said:

if the downside doesnt change the way of playing the game then the downside isnt interesting. I prefer needing that adventure you are mentioning than repeating the same things with every single character

Ue but if you want to do all that you can do it, you don't have to have disadvantages for it. Even because all the characters got the new recipe, but according to what you're saying if "Wurt can eat, his disadvantages will be negated". The discussion here is that Wurt should be able to eat recipes that have as a mandatory vegetable and can't take meat, which is what already happens, I don't know if you know, but Wurt players make eggs to use as stuffing for almost everything they eat.

23 hours ago, lakhnish said:

The game is never consistent on this point since Wigfrid can eat recipes that have vegetables in them.

It's never gonna be consistent on this point either.

I have a grandfather who only eats vegetables when we disguise them in the broth or in the meat seasoning, so I think it's okay for Wigfrid to eat vegetables while "disguised" in the taste of meat. The question is that Wurt should eat a recipe that calls for vegetables as a requirement and cannot contain meat (Eggs have no meat value).

23 hours ago, DeadWhereX said:

She's like 8 years old, she can't have her own ideas. Do you think she hates pigs because? No, before Wurt joined the survivors, merms were pretty much like animals in our world. They are not guided by moral reasons. The only thing merms knew was that pigs are enemies. Who knows how many times Wurt witnessed merms being murdered and eaten by pigs? She laughs at them because they "deserve" being  ridiculized after their dead.
Therefore, all the fault falls on the cirscumstances and Wurt is innocent.

Edit: Just clarify, this is the way I see the character. You're allowed to have your own theories. You can think she's a merminator whose mission is to erradicate pigs from the constant at all cost.

I'm not so sure what are you responding to, I never said she didn't eat eggs because she had emphaty for baby birds. Baby birds are made of meat, if she assumes there's a baby bird inside an egg she won't eat it.

So you have the right to think that Wurt is innocent, even though she is happy with the death of pigs. I could use the definition of innocence that in my language (Portuguese the word #Inocência) that comes from the word #Inofencivo (Inoffensive), which clearly corresponds to reality, right? A news that came out in my region these days was about an 8-year-old child, who had a connection with drug trafficking and who threatened teachers with death, he was killed with 8 shots to the head while he was at school, this may come as a surprise to you , but children is not synonymous with innocence especially in a child who was born and raised in the world of Constant (Pigphobia)..

22 hours ago, abrocator said:

With the tin fishin bin changes I think she has gotten a tiny little buff this update.

The improvement on the sardine cans was a nice thing, but I think it favored those who really like to stock up on fresh pexes to use in their food, usually Wurt players give the fish to King Merm, so we don't suffer from fish overload.

21 hours ago, Evelo said:

This I did not know, thank you.

You're welcome. I really enjoy talking about these subjects.

20 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

Just let Wurt eat roughage. Problem solved

roughage?

18 hours ago, xhyom said:

I just wish there were decent vegan foods, most of them you get to lose stats instead of gaining more from cooking. It's not even a matter of being stronger, denying the disadvantages, it's just that I really enjoy cooking in this game and making different recipes. Eating raw seaweed isn't the most fun thing in the world...

I completely agree with you, particularly I prefer vegan recipes and for me it is a great sadness that garlic, pepper and onion have so little value (for non-Warly players)

[Legokirbytwin]

I don't really eat recipes that often as a Wurt player, crops are just my playstyle and it works out fine. So, yes, other survivors have more recipes than Wurt, but Wurt benefits more hunger-wise from veggie/fruit dishes and most ingredients that she can eat, which makes it up for me. Although, it is funny how Wurt can't eat eggs, but can eat rotten eggs due to the logic system behind fertilizers.

[Archswifter]

1 hour ago, Legokirbytwin said:

I don't really eat recipes that often as a Wurt player, crops are just my playstyle and it works out fine. So, yes, other survivors have more recipes than Wurt, but Wurt benefits more hunger-wise from veggie/fruit dishes and most ingredients that she can eat, which makes it up for me.

Same man, same. While it'd be nice to have a few more veggie/fruit dishes, they aren't really needed that much currently if you just want to play Wurt. The three stats are already kinda covered when it comes the current options for her if you're farming regularly for your food, and eventually you can get ahold of Stone Fruit & Banana Bushes which'll make life even easier.

[EighteenXVIII]

I mean, Wurt can use eggs as filler. Here's the thing, the new egg recipe Plain Omelette gives 50 hunger for 3 eggs and a twig. Fist Full of Jam can be made with 3 eggs and a berry and gives 50 hunger as well (to Wurt). You could make a Gobbler farm and convert the drumsticks into eggs.

Personally I'd rather let the eggs rot so I can make gunpowder to break open stone fruits, which can then be used as Dragonpie filler. Wurt honestly has a really easy time food wise. They could take away her increased satiety from veggies and she'd still be strong. You can survive on Kelp alone, and many Wurt players do. Cactus is also available year round. You can go down to the caves and start a bunnymen civil war for carrots. In the ruins there are lichen. Enough options.

I just did a run where I went Wormwood first, so I could get my dragon fruit seed supply going. I also get to enjoy chests full of bramble husks that I can use to fight bosses.

 

[Lokena]

1 hour ago, EighteenXVIII said:

Wurt honestly has a really easy time food wise.

I don't think the problem is specifically the ability to find food for survival or the nutritional value of said food. The problem is that when playing Wurt it's not profitable, and most importantly, isn't fun to cook. Thus, an entire segment of the gameplay is practically cut off for the character, and when players see more new content being added to this segment that isn't available to them, of course it will upset them. It's not even about making any specific dish edible for her, but that almost all new dishes are overwhelmingly meat. Food with barnacles is meat, food with leafy meat is meat, food with figs is meat, food with fish imported from SW is meat, and now food with eggs is meat too, with only a couple of exceptions. These are multiple additions to the crockpot content, about twenty new dishes, and Wurt is left out of all of it. Of course people think it's unfair, and it's getting more unfair with every new update of this kind. Not to mention the fact that vegetable dishes have always been inferior to meat dishes in statistics. To say that Wurt can just eat kelp is not a solution, because the problem has never been just finding something to put in your mouth. The problem is that there is a much more exciting way to do it, but this character has less motivation to go for it, and all the new dishes don't add to it, because they are useless for her. It all boils down to the fact that people can't enjoy new content with everyone, and justifying how old things work just fine and how they don't need this new content anyway, won't help such players feel less deprived.

[Trevindo]

13 hours ago, Lokena said:

I don't think the problem is specifically the ability to find food for survival or the nutritional value of said food. The problem is that when playing Wurt it's not profitable, and most importantly, isn't fun to cook. Thus, an entire segment of the gameplay is practically cut off for the character, and when players see more new content being added to this segment that isn't available to them, of course it will upset them. It's not even about making any specific dish edible for her, but that almost all new dishes are overwhelmingly meat. Food with barnacles is meat, food with leafy meat is meat, food with figs is meat, food with fish imported from SW is meat, and now food with eggs is meat too, with only a couple of exceptions. These are multiple additions to the crockpot content, about twenty new dishes, and Wurt is left out of all of it. Of course people think it's unfair, and it's getting more unfair with every new update of this kind. Not to mention the fact that vegetable dishes have always been inferior to meat dishes in statistics. To say that Wurt can just eat kelp is not a solution, because the problem has never been just finding something to put in your mouth. The problem is that there is a much more exciting way to do it, but this character has less motivation to go for it, and all the new dishes don't add to it, because they are useless for her. It all boils down to the fact that people can't enjoy new content with everyone, and justifying how old things work just fine and how they don't need this new content anyway, won't help such players feel less deprived.

You understand me better than I do myself, so much so that you can verbalize what I cannot say. I play Wurt, I don't usually set up kitchens because it's often better to eat the food in natura, I find the lunar island on the 6th, I get 17 seaweed seedlings and that's it I won't have a problem with hunger anymore. I wish I could cook good food for my friends and be able to eat with them, but today the foods I work on are:

Hunger: "Bacon and Eggs", "Honey Ham", "Meaty Stew" and "Meatballs"

Sanity: "Jelly Salad" and "Surf'n' Turf"

Life: "Surf'n' Turf", "Wobster Bisque", "Fishsticks" and "Pierogi"

[Lokena]

1 hour ago, Trevindo said:

 

The only direction in which vegetarian recipes are fine is, oddly enough, sanity. Ice cream, creamy potato puree, banana shake, banana pop, spicy vegetable stinger and salsa fresca are surprisingly good. Although they all require a garden, access to bananas or, in the case of ice cream, to dairy.

Health is much more complicated. Jellybeans requires killing a boss, waffles need very rare butter, flower salad is limited to one season and flowers spoil very quickly, frozen banana daiquiri needs caves or monkey island, and trail mix, the only arguably easy one, is not available in winter.

And in terms of nutrition we have... Dragonpie and figatoni. It's all.

I think it's time to ask Klei for a pack of completely vegetarian recipes, preferably with statistics of 50-75 to balance meat dishes, because at the moment almost all vegetable recipes give only 25-37 (which is why Wurt's bonus to food was added in the first place). More vegetable recipes with things like kelp, figs, stone fruits and corn would help to survive better in the sea, because Wurt still doesn't have normal sea food. Vegetarian sushi exists, you know. And more recipes with vegetables from the garden to give a greater incentive to grow them, preferably with those vegetables that are unprofitable to eat raw. Damn, think of something with pomegranate, for example! It's completely useless at the moment. Or durian, which is her favorite fruit. I don't believe she can't make something even more delicious and satisfying out of it. Heck, give her a big fruit plate using several different specific fruits. Fruit medley is currently worse than a fist full of jam, despite the higher requirements for the recipe. Mushrooms are also a great option, right now there is only one recipe that specifically asks for them. If you add lichen or more nutritious options for bananas, you will get a good option for caves too (to be fair, bananas got a couple of new recipes, so at least that's good). Culinary Justice for Wurt!

[cybers2001]

On 10/7/2022 at 6:19 AM, Trevindo said:

roughage?

The new beefalo crockpot foods.

[abrocator]

On 10/8/2022 at 3:52 PM, Lokena said:

Or durian, which is her favorite fruit.

Monster fruit dish which damages a normal character but not Wurt.

[Masked Koopa]

On 10/8/2022 at 11:15 AM, Lokena said:

I don't think the problem is specifically the ability to find food for survival or the nutritional value of said food. The problem is that when playing Wurt it's not profitable, and most importantly, isn't fun to cook. Thus, an entire segment of the gameplay is practically cut off for the character, and when players see more new content being added to this segment that isn't available to them, of course it will upset them. It's not even about making any specific dish edible for her, but that almost all new dishes are overwhelmingly meat. Food with barnacles is meat, food with leafy meat is meat, food with figs is meat, food with fish imported from SW is meat, and now food with eggs is meat too, with only a couple of exceptions. These are multiple additions to the crockpot content, about twenty new dishes, and Wurt is left out of all of it. Of course people think it's unfair, and it's getting more unfair with every new update of this kind. Not to mention the fact that vegetable dishes have always been inferior to meat dishes in statistics. To say that Wurt can just eat kelp is not a solution, because the problem has never been just finding something to put in your mouth. The problem is that there is a much more exciting way to do it, but this character has less motivation to go for it, and all the new dishes don't add to it, because they are useless for her. It all boils down to the fact that people can't enjoy new content with everyone, and justifying how old things work just fine and how they don't need this new content anyway, won't help such players feel less deprived.

What's especially bothersome is that this isn't even a case of being consistent - we've already had egg-requiring dishes such as waffles and potato souffle be inedible by wigfrid and edible by wurt. Why not just move eggs into the same non-meat non-veggie territory as milk/honey/whatever (no 30% veggie bonus on wurt, still edible) and make it consistent all around? At least with leafy meat and barnacles they are clearly meant to be meat substances of some sort. But DST eggs are just eggs, a thing pretty much any irl herbivore would happily snack on.