Lore connections and refresh

[Ardcrumb]

With nearly every character refresh (looking at you woodie), we've gotten some lore details, like wes being hated because he pushed George out of the way, or Wolfgang saving maxwell from the train crash. 

But with all this, we can see how the characters are connected; but some aren't 

Let's give it a rundown. 

Wilson -  yet to be determined

Willow - might have started a few of the major fires. Was chased by a terrorbeak

Wendy - is maxwells niece. 

Wolfgang - saved maxwell from the train crash

Wx-78 - They were an assistant of wagstaff, seemingly sent in by wagstaff, not maxwell

Wickerbottom - yet to be determined

Woodie - I have no idea

Wes - pushed George T Witherspoon out of the way, foiling maxwells plan

Maxwell/William - essentially the main character

Webber - father had association with wagstaff, who brought a constant spider to him

Wigfrid - no idea, same as woodie

Winona - Charlie's sister

Wortox - Entered through the gate way 9z

Warly - in the same boat as woodie and wigfrid

Wormwood - is a plant animated by a gem from the moon, also a native

Wurt - native of the constant

Walter - found woodies shack, and the phonograph within

Wanda - They seem to want her there, maybe she made a deal. 

Please correct me if I got anything wrong

[BezKa]

Wortox is not a constant native. He's entered through the gateway, if i remember right

[ArubaroBeefalo]

you forgot womrwood which might be a green gem+some hamlet vines

9 minutes ago, Ardcrumb said:

Willow - might have started a few of the major fires. 

was also atacked by a terrorbeak that could be the one saw by maxwell

[loopuleasa]

Orange actually made a character lore video a month ago, highly recommended

In terms of lore coverage, nothing even comes close to Orange

 

[SinancoTheBest]

16 hours ago, loopuleasa said:

In terms of lore coverage, nothing even comes close to Orange

I personally prefer @RoseAppraiser's compilation of the timeline here: Timeline - Google Docs

As for why Wigfrid, Warly, Wilson and Webber were picked; I don't know if Maxwell had any connection to them beforehand (not likely given Wilson and Wigfrid's reactions to his voice/silhouette) but all of them were depicted to share a similar problem of desperation and willingness to try anything to solve it:

• Wilson was a failing gentleman scientist who yearned for great scientific knowledge
• Wigfrid was a performer that lost her former public appeal and desperately wanted the fame back
• Warly's mother was terminally ill with what seems to be Alzheimer's so he was looking for a permanent cure
• Webber became one with the spider, driven away by his parents so would follow anyone for a fix

So to me it seems like after sitting on the nightmare throne, Maxwell either willingly or forcefully under the influence of shadows, tried to lure many random desperate people, including others like Willow and Wendy into the constant and our survivor cast just happened to be unique bunch he found desperate and gullible enough to draw in. He might have known about Wigfrid due to her fame (like wanting to check if he can draw in his celebrity crush) but other people seem random enough that he found out about them after sitting on the throne and determined as perfect pawns for the chest game of the constant.

Especially concerning DST exclusive characters, it makes you wonder when did they join the survivors; were they already in constant during Maxwell's reign or did they join later. With Winona we know that it was Charlie who lured her after she took over the throne and Wurt & Wortox (idk what evidence says he isn't a native of the constant; are all imps and krampii foreign to the constant?) met the survive group later in Charlie's constant but when exactly did Walter, Warly and Wormwood come into the picture?

[flamboyant wolf]

1 hour ago, SinancoTheBest said:

 @RoseAppraiser

(idk what evidence says he isn't a native of the constant; are all imps and krampii foreign to the constant?) met the survive group later in Charlie's constant but when exactly did Walter, Warly and Wormwood come into the picture?

I think Wortox mentions that he came through the ancient gateway when examining it? (in case i used the wrong name, i mean the thing in atrium) 

as for Wormwood, i'm pretty sure that all we know currently is that he was "born" in Hamlet world, so that raises a bunch of questions(how did he get into together's world? where is Hamlet on the timeline? (or is it some "constant has wacky time" situation again?)). 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

58 minutes ago, skile said:

as for Wormwood, i'm pretty sure that all we know currently is that he was "born" in Hamlet world, so that raises a bunch of questions(how did he get into together's world? where is Hamlet on the timeline? (or is it some "constant has wacky time" situation again?)). 

i might be wrong but i think he said that came to the rog constant throw the portal when examinating it but i might be mixing character and quotes

[RoseAppraiser]

 

45 minutes ago, skile said:

I think Wortox mentions that he came through the ancient gateway when examining it? (in case i used the wrong name, i mean the thing in atrium) 

You are correct. Wortox's quote for the inactive Ancient Gateway (Atrium) implies that somehow, Krampus and Wortox had a way to jump through.

 

50 minutes ago, skile said:

(how did he get into together's world? where is Hamlet on the timeline? (or is it some "constant has wacky time" situation again?))

Given how Constant history is functionally nonexistent when discussing just about everything outside the Ancients, this is pure speculation at best.
The Pig Civilization is the spiritual successor to the Ancients. They, surface dwellers through and through, never learned of nightmare fuel. Thus they only have limited technological advancements.

Hamlet likely indicates that the two "factions," if you will, have formed ages ago. The Pig King vignette itself states, "Legend has it the Pig King and his followers left their home long ago to rule freely in The Constant" (Line pulled from the DS/T wiki). So while one group (DS/RoG/DST), is limited to simple houses and very little resources, Hamlet has a Victorian design. The split apparently resulted from Pig King, or an ancestor, wishing to rule freely. Hamlet is following a human history of sorts without nightmare fuel.

 

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i might be wrong but i think he said that came to the rog constant throw the portal when examinating it but i might be mixing character and quotes

Unfortunately you might be mixing quotes, Wormwood's quotes to portals are all childlike and in reference to doorways but no indication as to whether or not Wormwood travelled through.

[Lyl2333]

The constant may connect to (feeds on?)  on the emotions of survivors in a similar way Maxwell,  designer of the constant, gains fame by offering his audience thrills , indicated by

1) existence of the nightmare fuel(and it being a pun), which can be produced by survivors at low sanity by spawning shadow monsters

2)  transformation of rabbits and bunnymen( animal used by Maxwell) when sanity is low, meaning the mind of survivors affects the world directly

Survivors picked by Maxwell or the Constant itself( Wilson, Willow, Wigfrid, Woodie likely, and Wendy) are paranoids (someone mentioned before how Woodie probably killed his wife with an axe,  I really appreciate this Poetic explanation). This can explain why Maxwell hates Wes more than other ppl that comes in the Constant accidentally , not just because he meant to grab someone else, but for Wes having a sweet and calm personality and is not of much value there. 

[flamboyant wolf]

2 hours ago, RoseAppraiser said:

Hamlet is following a human history of sorts without nightmare fuel. 

I mean, they have a magical shop which sells dark swords and nightmare armor, and shopkeeper also takes nf in exchange of 5 coins. Although they also get an Apocalypse from time to time, so i guess it still has its cost.

[Rafi.]

2 hours ago, RoseAppraiser said:

-snip-

Wortox is an imp, which Krampii aren't, I don't think that Krampii came from another plane, unlike Wortox. I think that Wortox due to his prankster nature, just sticked to a Krampus after arriving in the Constant. I do think that seeing it that way, makes more sens but I could be wrong and maybe a quote reflect the fact that Krarmpii can do the same as Wortox.