WX-78 dropping gears on death is just absurd

[ADM]

I was just downloading some game and for some reason when I came back one hour later it has stopped and notice that my DST updated instead, so just for that I'm already quite triggered but welp... at least I got to check what tweaks the refresh got.

So aside of the following thing, nothing I was really interested in so I start to believe the final result won't be as interesting as I'd hope it could have been.

But seriously I was really hoping I'm reading that line wrong :

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WX-78 now drops 100% of eaten Gears, up to the maximum stack size of Gears

Of course I tested and no it's really just that...? It feels like those retro games where you could enter gameplay cheat codes to make the game easier to finish lol.

You just go stroll down the ruins to gather a bunch of gears and past this point you can infinite restore your health sanity and hunger for absolutely no cost but a little amulet every now and then ? 2 400 HP, 3 000 Hunger and 2 000 sanity between each revival ?

Shouldn't the entire gears dropping thing be removed ? Not even a single on death, there's no level up system or anything from them, it's like if Wilson was dropping his 40 last bandages or dragonpies. Gears are the items that litter the most my maps like none others but trinkets past the first Fuelweaver and now even the playable Gear sink return them ?

Really just a hot take topic out of confusion but "bruh" is the only word that comes to my mind to for this change... well I'm out to resume Elden Ring download.

[00petar00]

The issue is that it is part of his identity to eat gears and as i mentioned in the other thread, so many people have been happy that in this refresh gears don't give him stats so he isn't encouraged to eat them.

This is a balance for multiplayer where WX-78 just deletes gears and people want to kick him from the server, now he can just die and they can recover them.

While i think this is too much, the number should at least be lowered, being able to eat 40 and benefit from all the stat restorations and recover them with 1 life giving amulet is too good. Some servers don't even have caves enabled and majority of the players don't ever go in caves much less ruins rush so they are very limited when it comes to gears.

I thought he would get 1 more circuit slot but this seems so much stronger in a bad way.

[Notecja]

It feels wrong for game balance. Now WX is going to even less need to survival than Wanda (she uses clocks and is happy with munching simple meatballs), as he could skip making most of gears requiring things and go straight to eating gears. As there is more ways to revive than in singleplayer, even life-giving amulet can be skipped.

1 minute ago, 00petar00 said:

This is a balance for multiplayer where WX-78 just deletes gears and people want to kick him from the server, now he can just die and they can recover them.

You can still eat them and log out, never loging back again. But anyway, after first cleaning ruins people would get lots of gears anyway, and in case of big lack of skill are always tumbleweeds/winterfeast tree.

[00petar00]

7 minutes ago, Notecja said:

It feels wrong for game balance. Now WX is going to even less need to survival than Wanda (she uses clocks and is happy with munching simple meatballs), as he could skip making most of gears requiring things and go straight to eating gears. As there is more ways to revive than in singleplayer, even life-giving amulet can be skipped.

As a Wanda player i only eat meaty stews but when it comes to WX-78 that is true, he can now restore stats much easier and permanently, that's why i think the number should be lowered to at most 10 gears, he doesn't need to be able to store 40.

7 minutes ago, Notecja said:

You can still eat them and log out, never loging back again. But anyway, after first cleaning ruins people would get lots of gears anyway, and in case of big lack of skill are always tumbleweeds/winterfeast tree.

While that is true, you can pretty much say that for every other rare resource like gems. Majority of the players don't ever clear ruins and relying on tumbleweed isn't something players would like to do when they see that WX-78 killed all clockworks and ate all the gears.

While i don't have a problem clearing ruins over and over again and have chests full of gears as i mentioned earlier, a lot of people were happy that gears don't give stats to WX-78 in this refresh since they don't like when he eats all the gears that they can't recover.

[ADM]

2 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

The issue is that it is part of his identity to eat gears and as i mentioned in the other thread, so many people have been happy that in this refresh gears don't give him stats so he isn't encouraged to eat them.

This is a balance for multiplayer where WX-78 just deletes gears and people want to kick him from the server, now he can just die and they can recover them.

Not your fault from making up a point like that, which I believe a bunch of players are going to believe in a fair reason but the reality is, that isn't practical or going to go for such best case scenario ever. Anybody playing anyone could just go empty the entire food stock of a server, or just anything that looks cool enough for themselves, regardless the things drop or not, it won't help them get them back if someone just decide to disconnect, get lost in a location and nobody finds the body or whatever. Public (especially unmoderated) servers are just something I wish not to discuss because they make up an unique chaotic balance by themselves which doesn't reflect the experience the vast majority of players ever experiment, or else practically everything in the game would need to be redone just to fit these servers, starting with gears source if that is such an issue.

[HowlVoid]

Would an alternative solution be to lower the stats gained from eating gears?

What if it was 5 hp, 5 hunger, 5 sanity for example?

This is an extreme example but 40 gears would then only amount to 200 of each stat. You would have to eat your whole stack I'm just a few days making constant revival not worth it. 

You'd have to revive every 3 days instead of every 40 days.

Eating gears as wx-78 is a pretty cool and iconic thing, I'd hate for it to be removed completely...

[00petar00]

9 minutes ago, ADM said:

Not your fault from making up a point like that, which I believe a bunch of players are going to believe in a fair reason but the reality is, that isn't practical or going to go for such best case scenario ever. Anybody playing anyone could just go empty the entire food stock of a server, or just anything that looks cool enough for themselves, regardless the things drop or not, it won't help them get them back if someone just decide to disconnect, get lost in a location and nobody finds the body or whatever. Public (especially unmoderated) servers are just something I wish not to discuss because they make up an unique chaotic balance by themselves which doesn't reflect the experience the vast majority of players ever experiment, or else practically everything in the game would need to be redone just to fit these servers, starting with gears source if that is such an issue.

Yes but in that case the player is in the wrong, the point is to not blame WX-78 that eats gears when they are in dangerous situations.

While people would have a negative opinion on WX-78 players in general, that just forms toxicity for no reason as it can be seen how many dislike this ability of his.

Taking normal scenarios as examples, WX-78 ate all the gears fighting dragonfly and he may have wanted to help the team with furnace but they are not going to have the ice box without going to ruins.

[HowlVoid]

22 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

 

I would go further and lower the minimum of gears they can eat to 5.

Then they can say that they have no room for more gears.

[-Nick-]

Wax-78 should drop 50% of the gears eaten, and reduce the amount of stats given by gears.

 

[Fill-Lips]

1 hour ago, StevenM said:

Thank you for the feedback, everyone. 

Hotfix - 503767 - 04/18/2022

• Reverted WX-78's Gear drop rate to its previous method: On death, WX-78 drops a random number of Gears between 1/3 and 1/2 of the amount they have eaten.

Already patched out, in the hotfix thread.

[MondayNight]

I for one don't get this obsession of certain people with Gears and WX, namely that it eats them for stats or whatever - and that in context of: there are Chess Pieces Sets on Surface dropping Gears upon death, one can obtain more Gears from restored Suspicious Marble Statues under Full Moon/New Moon, Gears from Tumbleweeds, from Graves, Twins take-down and more Gears, each Ruins ride yields at least 1 stack of Gears - and likewise for every Ruins reset. In my case, even if Gears aren't my objective at all, aside 3-5 Fridges tops, I still end up with 2-3 stacks in both surface and Ruins camps from solely 1 AFw mushing. Over time the Gears amount only increases. In past such piling situation was balanced by the sparse WXs gulping them for stats. Now WX seems to drop all eaten Gears upon death and, I presume, when changing characters. Looks like KLei departs more-and-more from the Survival penalties, not mentioning the tired "uncompromising" trope over-saturated with compromises. What are these people "crying" about need of Gears and WX's subsequent ban on eating them doing, to desire more than mentioned above? Decorating with Fridges, Flingos, Insulated Packs or Weather Pains like there's no tomorrow?! Even on the pubs I exclusively play, with 3-4 constant regulars & their respective horn-of-plenty bases, we still pile up on Gears. It's just ridiculous by this point!

[ArubaroBeefalo]

11 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

I for one don't get this obsession of certain people with Gears and WX, namely that it eats them for stats or whatever - and that in context of: there are Chess Pieces Sets on Surface dropping Gears upon death, one can obtain more Gears from restored Suspicious Marble Statues under Full Moon/New Moon, Gears from Tumbleweeds, from Graves, Twins take-down and more Gears, each Ruins ride yields at least 1 stack of Gears - and likewise for every Ruins reset. In my case, even if Gears aren't my objective at all, aside 3-5 Fridges tops, I still end up with 2-3 stacks in both surface and Ruins camps from solely 1 AFw mushing. Over time the Gears amount only increases. In past such piling situation was balanced by the sparse WXs gulping them for stats. Now WX seems to drop all eaten Gears upon death and, I presume, when changing characters. Looks like KLei departs more-and-more from the Survival penalties, not mentioning the tired "uncompromising" trope over-saturated with compromises. What are these people "crying" about need of Gears and WX's subsequent ban on eating them doing, to desire more than mentioned above? Decorating with Fridges, Flingos, Insulated Packs or Weather Pains like there's no tomorrow?! Even on the pubs I exclusively play, with 3-4 constant regulars & their respective horn-of-plenty bases, we still pile up on Gears. It's just ridiculous by this point!

i guess because bulk-player-base dont do twins neither ruins

[Mike23Ua]

7 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i guess because bulk-player-base dont do twins neither ruins

Is that a bad thing? You guys only EVER see anything from X: End Game point of view, meanwhile you never bother to take into consideration the climb it takes to get there. And if players run into a Gears shortage on the climb before reaching this point.. then they have a less fun experience with the game.

Whats more important is anytime a character gets reworked: for a few days at least servers are filled with exclusively that character- so I’m gonna be curious to see how Xbox players handle the “Gears” Shortage/Changes when the update leaves Beta.. and with 6 WX’s running around- “MAYBE” that is Why Klei thought it would be a good idea to let WX dying yield back 100% gears eaten (this has now been reverted.. but I’m trying to give logic & reasoning behind why it was changed in the first place..)

There was However another forum member who’s post I can’t seem to find that suggested a Dead WX to drop a new type of “Regurgitated Gears” on Death that can be used in crafting items that require Gears but can no longer be consumed by WX.

I would love to see an ABC Gears (Already Been Chewed) they could even drop from Damaged Clockworks.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

Just now, Mike23Ua said:

Is that a bad thing? You guys only EVER see anything from X: End Game point of view, meanwhile you never bother to take into consideration the climb it takes to get there. And if players run into a Gears shortage on the climb before reaching this point.. then they have a less fun experience with the game.

Whats more important is anytime a character gets reworked: for a few days at least servers are filled with exclusively that character- so I’m gonna be curious to see how Xbox players handle the “Gears” Shortage/Changes when the update leaves Beta.. and with 6 WX’s running around- “MAYBE” that is Why Klei thought it would be a good idea to let WX dying yield back 100% gears eaten (this has now been reverted.. but I’m trying to give logic & reasoning behind why it was changed in the first place..)

There was However another forum member who’s post I can’t seem to find that suggested a Dead WX to drop a new type of “Regurgitated Gears” on Death that can be used in crafting items that require Gears but can no longer be consumed by WX.

I would love to see an ABC Gears (Already Been Chewed) they could even drop from Damaged Clockworks.

?? i didnt say anything against or in favour of that plus i though you wanted a uncompromising experience where you need to take care of resources so i dont get your comment x2

[Mike23Ua]

31 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

?? i didnt say anything against or in favour of that plus i though you wanted a uncompromising experience where you need to take care of resources so i dont get your comment x2

There’s a difference between the game itself being uncompromising, and other players who make it more uncompromising then it needs to be..

(why you think so many players hate the idea of the Terrarium spawning on randomly choosen player?)

If the game is Uncompromising by my own means.. then that’s fine, but if another player could say I don’t know.. run around with a Hammer destroying Gravestones so Pipspook stop spawning altogether- That would be making the game harder on Wendy players than it would’ve been.

All video games will always have trolls.. but the ABC Gears suggestion someone else came up with at least allows players who aren’t playing as WX to recover gears after a WX eats them/logs off the server.

[Seero]

I agree completely it's an unnecessary buff that can be exploited too easily.

it also prevents him in being buffed by other means since this is already ridiculously good, how about he drops no gears on death? they are gears, they don't have much uses and shouldn't be viewed as a regular food, just an emergency one

[ALCRD]

*was absurd you mean:

15 hours ago, StevenM said:

Thank you for the feedback, everyone. 

Hotfix - 503767 - 04/18/2022

• Reverted WX-78's Gear drop rate to its previous method: On death, WX-78 drops a random number of Gears between 1/3 and 1/2 of the amount they have eaten.

 

[MondayNight]

5 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i guess because bulk-player-base dont do twins neither ruins

I haven't mentioned anything in my comment about bulk player-base. I was asking (rather rhetorically) "What are these people "crying" about need of Gears and WX's subsequent ban on eating them doing, to desire more than mentioned above?" - and those peeps aren't "the bulk player-base", but some of the regulars here, on KLei forums, and would be interesting to see what they are making with stacks of Gears except hoarding. From past polls, these very-same people are exclusively playing personal private servers, or with some friends - even if they leave pub open, have complete control over what's happening through innate admin powers. KLei could either remove completely the Gear-eating mechanic if they really want bulk player-base benefiting as a whole, theoretically (not having random WX's gulp them, either from lack of knowledge & experience, or via griefing), in pubs, or keep it with penalty (as they seem to have done, reverting the 100% Gears-gain upon death), in the ethos of Survival/resource management. Because its all about pubs. Moderated communities deal promptly via moderators killing/kicking/banning trolls (also publicized rules for casuals), and personal private people have absolute powers over their servers (and, as stated, usually playing alone or with friends).