[Suggestion] Bee Queen Crown allows safe gathering of honey

[Cheggf]

Since every update in the beta branch has been bringing at least one incredible suggested change I thought I'd try my luck at suggesting this.

Currently you can safely gather honey by burning the hive then extinguishing it, since it makes the bees come out. If you extinguish it with a flingo it'll be double safe since the bees will likely be frozen by it. If wearing the bee queen crown allowed you to gather honey without riling the bees it wouldn't really offer any tangible advantage, but would allow you to do a simpler single click per hive instead doing a little dance to avoid fire damage. I think no real advantage, just a little nicer to do is more or less the definition of qol.

The flingo/water strategy would still have use since you don't need to kill one of the toughest bosses in the game to do it, and the crowns can be used for other probably better things like fighting AFW or in the ruins which could leave them away from the hives or destroyed. Would be a nice little improvement giving players another way to harvest from bee boxes.

[SinancoTheBest]

After all it only makes sense that the Bee Queen Crown makes the bees passive towards you, just as Bone helm passifies shadows, celestial crown passifies gestalts and spider queen hat passifies the spiders.

[SecretPizzaMan]

Another idea I have is to allow players when wearing bee hats to not get stunned by bees when attacked. You will still take the damage but at least you won't be interrupted while doing a task. The only exception to this would be bee queen.

This would not only make the bee queen fight less annoying but also make harvesting honey with bee hats encouraged like how it should bee.

[Cheggf]

14 minutes ago, SinancoTheBest said:

After all it only makes sense that the Bee Queen Crown makes the bees passive towards you, just as Bone helm passifies shadows, celestial crown passifies gestalts and spider queen hat passifies the spiders.

I think it would be cool if the hat would pacify killer bees as well (unless you attack them), but the bee queen is more powerful than just her crown so she would be able to override your crown and still have adds aggro onto you. Some might say that it steps on Wormwood's toes, but I would say permanently having a raid drop effect on you without durability or equip slot use is pretty good. Also it's a really minor perk of Wormwood's.

But really the big thing is just harvesting bee boxes. I can harvest during dusk or night during spring to avoid the killer bees.

6 minutes ago, SecretPizzaMan said:

Another idea I have is to allow players when wearing bee hats to not get stunned by bees when attacked. You will still take the damage but at least you won't be interrupted while doing a task. The only exception to this would be bee queen.

This would not only make the bee queen fight less annoying but also make harvesting honey with bee hats encouraged like how it should bee.

That's also a great suggestion, and would let the bee keeper hat function as more than just a football helmet you use for the BQ fight. It would give players a variety of ways to get honey, and is intuitive. Do you use the bee keeper hat to take minor damage to yourself and your armor but do it quickly? Do you put in the effort to smoke the bees? Do you put in the effort to kill the bee queen? Would be so much more fun.

I think it's already good enough in the bee queen fight where it doesn't need to give you hyper armor against the bee queen or the grumble bees but would love for it to do so against "bee" and "killer bee".

[reallychina]

decent idea but not that necessary, you can safely get honey by wearing cane and magi and building the hives in a line. i build mine like a circuit and leave the magi back at the start. 

 

 doing flingos feels so overly complicated, i never got why people do that

[Juny Pear]

This honestly sounds like an amazing sideperk the crown could have.
I personally never had much issues with honey because I mostly just harvest my boxes in winter, but the only reason I do that to begin with is to avoid bee stings, so I would absolutely welcome this.

[QuartzBeam]

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

Some might say that it steps on Wormwood's toes, but I would say permanently having a raid drop effect on you without durability or equip slot use is pretty good. Also it's a really minor perk of Wormwood's.

Killer bees attack Wormwood too, so that perk on the crown would be pretty great anyway.

[goatt]

We have existing mechanism to be borrowed from. We can use the mechanism of Clever Disguise but for bees.

[SomebodyRandom]

8 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Some might say that it steps on Wormwood's toes, but I would say permanently having a raid drop effect on you without durability or equip slot use is pretty good.

It's fine. Like you said, it's a really minor perk and he still gets attacked by bees for picking honey from bee boxes so the crown would be nice.

7 hours ago, QuartzBeam said:

Killer bees attack Wormwood too, so that perk on the crown would be pretty great anyway.

Only if you attack them first.

[Mantispidae]

Honestly I see no reason for it to not be a side perk of the BQ hat. She's the bee queen, you're farming bees, and her loot is providing a very small perk to help you with that. Most people have ways to deal with the bee hives anyway, so knocking out a bit of tedium for those who go through the bee boss seems perfectly reasonable.

8 hours ago, QuartzBeam said:

Killer bees attack Wormwood too, so that perk on the crown would be pretty great anyway.

Killer bees in the field (such as spring) are completely passive to wormwood unless attacked, but they can still rile ones from a hive on harvest. So just wandering around during spring = not attacked, Messing with the hive = bees turn hostile. Unless you mean the killer bee hive, which yeah- they attach anyone. (Although If you play wormwood I would not say its a minor perk because god damn that little guy will attract every single bee in a 40 mile radius. Thank god they have immunity)

 

Currently there is no way to avoid angering a bee hive other than making sure it's empty before you harvest it, or by harvesting when bees won't come out (Winter). So yeah I say this sounds like a great little addition

[lowercase skye]

7 minutes ago, Mantispidae said:

Killer bees in the field (such as spring) are completely passive to wormwood unless attacked

those arent killer bees, theyre just regular bees but red. its a confusing mechanic but yeah, regular bees turn red during spring, and theyre still distinct from the different mob that is actual killer bees

[SomebodyRandom]

17 minutes ago, Mantispidae said:

Unless you mean the killer bee hive, which yeah- they attach anyone.

What are you talking about?

[Mantispidae]

51 minutes ago, meow meow meow said:

those arent killer bees, theyre just regular bees but red. its a confusing mechanic but yeah, regular bees turn red during spring, and theyre still distinct from the different mob that is actual killer bees

Yeah I wasn't sure if that was what people were referring to or not- I know they're still technically regular. But the only way to have an "in field" killer bee is either have an angry hive or other source spawn them which usually means they're aggro'd on the player already. But if they happen to not be aggro'd (like if the player spawns them, or they lost aggro) then they target wormwood, which is what I meant. Must've worded it poorly.

42 minutes ago, SomebodyRandom said:

What are you talking about?

Okay, this appears to be more specific than I thought- Killer bee hives will not aggro on a bloomed wormwood, but will aggro on a non-blooming wormwood? At least as far as im seeing opening up the game to test because I swore he would still be attacked, and they certainly do when he's not fully flowered. Didn't know it was specific, so I guess you learn something new.***

That said, spawned in killer bees, aka wild killer bees, still don't. Which is what I was trying to get at originally

***Edit: Actually testing it more and yes, killer bees do aggro on wormwood consistently when he enters the range of the wasp hive. There's some weirdness if they just got back to the hive, but they do just aggro, even when bloomed. Tested it on both spawned and wild hives- they aggro. It's just if they're already out that they don't care

[SomebodyRandom]

42 minutes ago, Mantispidae said:

***Edit: Actually testing it more and yes, killer bees do aggro on wormwood consistently when he enters the range of the wasp hive. There's some weirdness if they just got back to the hive, but they do just aggro, even when bloomed. Tested it on both spawned and wild hives- they aggro. It's just if they're already out that they don't care

So they don't like you getting near the hive, otherwise they're fine. I must've been near an empty hive without realizing.