Difference in atmosphere between DS and DST

[Monkey Cups]

44 minutes ago, W0l0l0 said:

Yeah it's a shame what happened to Bearger, I definitely prefer the old, less human and pampered looking Bearger. The difference in fur texture is so noticeable I don't understand why they went from giant stray cat fur to flawless fluffy onesie. 

Bearger came straight from the salon. I don't like it for the same reason I don't like Sims hair mods in Skyrim, it looks too neat and clean and that's really out of place in the deadly wilderness where everything wants to murder you.

[CaptainChaotica]

I love the original sketchy style, just because it's so...different,distinctive. There's something about "I'm coloring outside the lines and I DON'T CARE!" and _making that work_, that's really cool.  Also the whole indie-cred feel to it, etc.  It also reminds me of the art style of Edward Gorey, which I was first introduced to, as an impressionable little Chaotica, by the old PBS "Mystery" intro:

That said there's only a _couple_ DST animated trailers whose style REALLY makes me go "WTF?!", and that would be the ones that...seem like they were drawn by brand-new people who _didn't even know HOW to do the style yet_.  I present:  Exhibit A--Woodie's refresh trailer:

This one just looks like freakin' FANART to me--that's how un-canon it feels.  I will never weave the vignettes from this; if I happen to get one in a daily gift it is becoming spools.  And the goofy Looney-Toons overall feel to the short story itself...it just felt like it came out of a WHOLE other franchise.  And I'm saying this as someone who's MADE not-that-great DS/T fanart, themselves. (I also won't stop taking pictures of my cartoon kitties--so, it's not like I'm against cuteness in GENERAL.)

Spoiler

The difference here is, the POINT was to see what these characters would look like in the more cartoony side of my own style; not to try and copy the original one for an OFFICIAL trailer.

Sometimes "What would (X) look like in (Y) style?" is fun to experiment with. 

...I just think it should be relegated strictly to un-official FAN works.

I also strongly dislike the refresh itself and how it takes away ALL sense of angst or darkness from Woodie, if he can now just casually turn into whatever whenever he wants instead of having a proper were-curse with real consequences, but that's a whole other thing. I have a mod that restores him to his _singleplayer version_ curse; put it that way.

I know the point of the trailer was to showcase his new abilities, but man, did it HAVE to be so...goofy...?

A similar style shows up in some others from around that era, such as Wurt's "Monster Marsh",

but there I...I dunno, I don't mind it as much. It's Halloween, and Halloween is SUPPOSED to be fake, fun-scary...and also, despite all the lighthearted feel, the whole group of survivors gets one-shotted by a tentacle anyway.  : P

I guess for me, the "proper" style of Don't Starve/Together is a mix of story tone and art style, and what I want is a bit more towards the gothy/emo side, with an art style that looks really distinctive. Like, I was legit sad when the cardboard wave ocean left DST, because it was just SO ICONIC!  
If something goes too far off one of those in ONE way but not the other (sketchy but silly, or smooth-lined and colorful but dark story-wise), I can still accept it, but not if it breaks BOTH artistic _and_ tonal style at the same time.  I mean, bear in mind...this game came from one in which the not-yet-unlocked characters were represented by COFFINS.

...just sayin'.

TL;DR:  I'm a crotchety old hipster fart with emo leanings and I liked it better when things looked sketchy because it was all indie and stuff. : P

...Notorious

[Pelontriques]

some weirdo artist here, and i liked don't starve's older trailers more because they felt less generic and a bit more human. like, you could visibly see construction lines on some of the poses wilson has in his origin trailer, and that felt good to me, as an artist that genuinely hates doing linework.

[Waoling]

i like the new one better it looks more professionally made i like the clean line art of it the color and just the new character designs in generals.

1 hour ago, CaptainChaotica said:

TL;DR:  I'm a crotchety old hipster fart with emo leanings and I liked it better when things looked sketchy because it was all indie and stuff. : P

how does sketchy mean indie and stuff, indie can have high-quality animation and style.

EVERYTHING IS BALANCE

[Waoling]

THE BALANCE HAS BEEN DISTURBED!!!

[minespatch]

1 hour ago, Paoling said:

THE BALANCE HAS BEEN DISTURBED!!!

Are you alright...?

[Waoling]

3 minutes ago, minespatch said:

Are you alright...?

yes? the people who say it's bad to have been greater than the people who say it's good for a while now but now the people who say it's good are the majority. i don't know what happens to cause that.

[minespatch]

Just now, Paoling said:

yes? the people who say it's bad have been greater than the people who say it's good for a while now but now the people who say it's good are the majority.

I'm asking due to the frequent use of all caps.

[Waoling]

5 minutes ago, minespatch said:

I'm asking due to the frequent use of all caps.

the real reason is that i am just lazy.

[jan Mele]

On 2/27/2022 at 4:48 PM, minespatch said:

"Don't know" and "Indifference" because I can see they're really set apart.

Umm, sure, but the water is brighter in DST soooo...

[CaptainChaotica]

20 hours ago, minespatch said:

I'm asking due to the frequent use of all caps.

Also talking about "THE BALANCE HAS BEEN DISTURBED!" makes me wonder if we're suddenly gonna get Thanos up in this b*tch.  XD

(also also...the balance of what?)

...Notorious

[Waoling]

13 minutes ago, CaptainChaotica said:

Also talking about "THE BALANCE HAS BEEN DISTURBED!" makes me wonder if we're suddenly gonna get Thanos up in this b*tch.  XD

(also also...the balance of what?)

...Notorious

The balance of the poll the amount of people saying it's good have been the same as the people saying bad for while but suddenly the it's bad people are alway have 5 more vote but suddenly now the it's good have more than it's bad people by 1 everytime.

[-Variant]

I just, miss the older way the characters were drawn.

[Well-met]

1 minute ago, -Variant said:

I just, miss the older way the characters were drawn.

to be fair she's portrayed as completely insane in the RoT video

[Waoling]

2 hours ago, -Variant said:

I just, miss the older way the characters were drawn.

I think they just slowly develop their art style to what it is today.

Look at the latest animation they look completely different from the one in 2020 and early 2021.

Also, the balance has been restored by Nettalie.

[FourthLess]

2 hours ago, Well-met said:

to be fair she's portrayed as completely insane in the RoT video

To be fair Wigfrid IS insane

[Juny Pear]

45 minutes ago, Paoling said:

Also, the balance has been restored by Nettalie.

Wha?

 

[Waoling]

Just now, Nettalie said:

Wha?

 

The balance of the poll is not many people say it's good and not many people say it's bad just mediocre.

[jan Mele]

I dunno why people talk about shorts, the in-game style more or less holds up. Probably the latter, kek.

[Juny Pear]

idk about you but
maybe @-ing people about what they vote on the poll is not that
good of an idea

[Capybara007]

19 hours ago, Well-met said:

to be fair she's portrayed as completely insane in the RoT video

you fool, she is insane, she is just in the lunar island there

[Karitha]

4 hours ago, Paoling said:

ruin the balace.

lol, alright!

Like I mentioned before, like tousand of times; don't starve is changing. In first times, i was angry and sad about it because one of my favourite game was starting to be ruined (for me ofcourse!). But after all time i got snapped in forums, I realized people enjoy this changing somehow. I was angry and sad but I'm only sad now. Game's future is not about us, it's about the majority.

If someone wonder what I think.

For mechanics, it's not possitive. It's making game easier but making process more complex. Klei choosed to make a thing for another thing. As a boss drop, you can make something that make your thing became faster. I don't know if it's only me but comfort is more important to be faster.
 About being hard, game have poor mechanics about it. Only with a big team, you can live long as you can. The only danger having a crowd is hound attacks, and it's one of the easiest creatures to dodge.

For lore, it's not possitive at all. Nah, the DS's dark atmoshpere is not about being alone. I play DST alone most of the times, it's just not same. Everything is cute and sweet. Pets was not a problem for me at all. New characters too but specially events ruins the game. We are getting dragon costumes, beefalo competition, kitty minigames and rat training as events... I just want to say they are same company that added crocodilles with sea home sea update and threating players that seasonal boss will lurk around in reign of giants update. Most of the updates we are getting is about luxe. I mean what is last annoying danger that DST added to the game?

For company and the way they are going to, they clearly trying to make their game a long living game with small updates everytime. But I think DST is not done yet and they do wrong. DST have so much wrongs. There is empty biomes, barren seas, uselles creatures, gameplay problems etc. They are doing the last things first.
 Updates frequency is good but updates are not that good. Sometimes I think I'm ungratefull but really tell me, why the hell people being so hyped about small things and bugfixes? They have to do more than those if they are thinking to turn it to an online game. I know someone will talk about other games Klei is making. No, DST have most income and popularity in all of their games.
 About listening community, they do when they feel the preasure. I mean if there is a serious split in people, they should not pick a side. They should do something to make both side happy. It's not normal that up to 1/4 community is unsatisfied by the game's stuation.
 Hamlet is another heartbreak of community. No need to talk about it.

Anything good about now? Ofcourse yes! RWYS was a great update, changed sh*tty farming system to something more smart and greatfull. Same for the new boat system. Being able to build on sea and be free-to-land is a great feeling. Lunar islands are supercool too! There is no big reason to go there regularly but they are good and creepy anyway! Skins are cool, I hate lore breaking skins but there is cool skins that makes ugly characters look great, almost all of the survivor skins are awesome. Wurt is great! She may look cute but she is strong and hatefull about other creatures. The primitive feeling about her make me play with her a lot. Those are why I'm not going to back to DS.

So what will I do with DST? I would never leave DST, I'm enjoying it really much. But with those updates, I started to play less. There is promising mods like "Uncompromising Mode" that make me still want to play it but modders always have limits.

So that's all folks, thanks if you readed all of it.

[Mike23Ua]

Klei listen to me very carefully here: I am okay with the art style of DS, DS Shipwrecked, DS Hamlet, DST, Return of Them- What I am most certainly NOT okay with is whatever in the blue blazing hell Don’t Starve NewHome is supposed to be.

I hate lazy, poorly drawn animations.. I used to LOVE Ben 10, Ben 10 Alien Force,  Teen freaking Titans… and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles but when those things went from looking like animated masterpieces to just well.. err “pieces” that’s when I stopped watching all the shows named above.

Dont get me wrong there are some really cool concept arts in some of the NewHome Datamined files… but then again there’s also a whole bunch of not so good ones that far outweigh the neat looking ones.

And yeah yeah I get it- NewHome isn’t a Klei official product it’s just Tencent or whoever being able to create their own game using your own licensed characters & trademarks or whatever- but my point still stands- The Artstyle of NewHome is very offputting.. and it makes me hesitant to try that game.

I have played amazing games with absolutely terrible graphics, so the art/graphics don’t ALWAYS make or break the game..

But let’s just say if you EVER and I mean EVER decide to make a Dont Starve TV Series I would prefer it look like Teen Titans instead of Teen Titans Go! Thank You.. 

[Capybara007]

11 minutes ago, Karitha said:

lol, alright!

Like I mentioned before, like tousand of times; don't starve is changing. In first times, i was angry and sad about it because one of my favourite game was starting to be ruined (for me ofcourse!). But after all time i got snapped in forums, I realized people enjoy this changing somehow. I was angry and sad but I'm only sad now. Game's future is not about us, it's about the majority.

If someone wonder what I think.

For mechanics, it's not possitive. It's making game easier but making process more complex. Klei choosed to make a thing for another thing. As a boss drop, you can make something that make your thing became faster. I don't know if it's only me but comfort is more important to be faster.
 About being hard, game have poor mechanics about it. Only with a big team, you can live long as you can. The only danger having a crowd is hound attacks, and it's one of the easiest creatures to dodge.

For lore, it's not possitive at all. Nah, the DS's dark atmoshpere is not about being alone. I play DST alone most of the times, it's just not same. Everything is cute and sweet. Pets was not a problem for me at all. New characters too but specially events ruins the game. We are getting dragon costumes, beefalo competition, kitty minigames and rat training as events... I just want to say they are same company that added crocodilles with sea home sea update and threating players that seasonal boss will lurk around in reign of giants update. Most of the updates we are getting is about luxe. I mean what is last annoying danger that DST added to the game?

For company and the way they are going to, they clearly trying to make their game a long living game with small updates everytime. But I think DST is not done yet and they do wrong. DST have so much wrongs. There is empty biomes, barren seas, uselles creatures, gameplay problems etc. They are doing the last things first.
 Updates frequency is good but updates are not that good. Sometimes I think I'm ungratefull but really tell me, why the hell people being so hyped about small things and bugfixes? They have to do more than those if they are thinking to turn it to an online game. I know someone will talk about other games Klei is making. No, DST have most income and popularity in all of their games.
 About listening community, they do when they feel the preasure. I mean if there is a serious split in people, they should not pick a side. They should do something to make both side happy. It's not normal that up to 1/4 community is unsatisfied by the game's stuation.
 Hamlet is another heartbreak of community. No need to talk about it.

Anything good about now? Ofcourse yes! RWYS was a great update, changed sh*tty farming system to something more smart and greatfull. Same for the new boat system. Being able to build on sea and be free-to-land is a great feeling. Lunar islands are supercool too! There is no big reason to go there regularly but they are good and creepy anyway! Skins are cool, I hate lore breaking skins but there is cool skins that makes ugly characters look great, almost all of the survivor skins are awesome. Wurt is great! She may look cute but she is strong and hatefull about other creatures. The primitive feeling about her make me play with her a lot. Those are why I'm not going to back to DS.

So what will I do with DST? I would never leave DST, I'm enjoying it really much. But with those updates, I started to play less. There is promising mods like "Uncompromising Mode" that make me still want to play it but modders always have limits.

So that's all folks, thanks if you readed all of it.

I used to believe all of what you said until the last qol update, the one that its currently in beta.

There is so much to like about this update, and the way the devs are interacting with the community its something that i havent seen in a while.

This certain update just gave me hope on the game's development in the long run.

And the events thing, i kinda agree, dressing your beefalo for a pony showcase doesnt really goes with a tough survival game that kills you when you arent in the light, i always saw these types of events as a break for the developers while keeping updating the game, so its not like i like them but i either hate them.

[Karitha]

19 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

beta

Yeah, I liked it too. Deerclops and guardian change was a thing. With tips and new crafting system they might be thinking about give the game a little bit uncompromising soul back. 

But I don't have hope as you have. I think it's just a small tweak. Let's prey that I'll be wrong.