Wolfgang rework discussion (no rant, please, keep it constructive and laconical)

[Gi-Go]

8 minutes ago, sudoku said:

Okay, thanks for letting me know! Id love to hear your ideas for WX rework! How about instead of collecting gears, that requires you to fight monsters who wants to do that lol icky, we play an awsome fun minigame and at the end we get the stat boost! And instead of having Wicker charge us with her book, how about we play another cool minigame, but it wont be the same it will be the most fun minigame klei will ever make!

I hate minigames as much as the next guy, but the gym one is great and there is no point in denying it. No point in fixing what isn't broken ither, so I don't see why klei would tweak gym and add protein shakes or whatever else. Wendy has a mini game hot and cold and that one actually sucks, so why not go complain about it instead? 

[sudoku]

4 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

I hate minigames as much as the next guy, but the gym one is great and there is no point in denying it. No point in fixing what isn't broken ither, so I don't see why klei would tweak gym and add protein shakes or whatever else. Wendy has a mini game hot and cold and that one actually sucks, so why not go complain about it instead? 

I dont think a protein shake would be thst hard to introduce, and they can keep the minigame just not make it a central focus of his mighty meter.

I just am more worried at what this says about their future game design. I do not want minigames to susbstitute core gameplay. 

What does that mean exactly? Look at it from a series of questions.

What is the new system they want to indroduce to the game?    -Working Out

Can this system be achieved in game?   -Why Yes, chopping/mining/fighting/hauling/rowing are all physical activites.

So if a system was designed around performing these in game activities, of course with a time limit parameter, then is this not the best case scenario?

Essentially instead of performing our own workouts by taking the protien shake and choosing which activites to do, we play a minigame instead.

Its lazy and robs the gameplay experience which is even more frustrating since a simple in game method can exist to solve this system question.

[Gi-Go]

1 minute ago, sudoku said:

I dont think a protein shake would be thst hard to introduce, and they can keep the minigame just not make it a central focus of his mighty meter.

I just am more worried at what this says about their future game design. I do not want minigames to susbstitute core gameplay. 

What does that mean exactly? Look at it from a series of questions.

What is the new system they want to indroduce to the game?    -Working Out

Can this system be achieved in game?   -Why Yes, chopping/mining/fighting/hauling/rowing are all physical activites.

So if a system was designed around performing these in game activities, of course with a time limit parameter, then is this not the best case scenario?

Essentially instead of performing our own workouts by taking the protien shake and choosing which activites to do, we play a minigame instead.

Its lazy and robs the gameplay experience which is even more frustrating since a simple in game method can exist to solve this system question.

I think you overreact to the words "mini game" themselves. You know, chopping trees and mining and other stuff can be called mini game as well. Clicker that is. Would it made you feel better if I told you there is no mini game in this rework, instead gym system is a slightly more complicated clicking you do for any other action, but this time it requires timing. See, not so scary now is it?

[sudoku]

Just now, Gi-Go said:

I think you overreact to the words "mini game" themselves. You know, chopping trees and mining and other stuff can be called mini game as well. Clicker that is. Would it made you feel better if I told you there is no mini game in this rework, instead gym system is a slightly more complicated clicking you do for any other action, but this time it requires timing. See, not so scary now is it?

But if we are breaking it down like that then why add the unnessary bloat to the core gamplay loop. If they are essentially the same thing, why add another variant.

[Gi-Go]

8 minutes ago, sudoku said:

But if we are breaking it down like that then why add the unnessary bloat to the core gamplay loop. If they are essentially the same thing, why add another variant.

Honestly not sure what to say. I like this gym thing a lot more than the previous system and have absolutely no issues with it. Nothing feels unnecessary to me.

Oh wait, you mean like, why have timing instead of the traditional click spam? Because it's a lot more fun that way duh. 

[sudoku]

2 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

Honestly not sure what to say. I like this gym thing a lot more than the previous system and have absolutely no issues with it. Nothing feels unnecessary to me.

 

No matter how you want to break it down. Its called a mini game for a reason, as in its own seperate game that exists outside the main gameplah loop, which is my problem. Its fine if klei wants to have these in events as optional side activities but when they start to creep into actual character kits is where i draw the line. 

To go back to my suggestion

Deciding which physical activity to do in order to workout is a gameplay decision.

Traveling to the location to perform this activity is gameplay.

Preparing for this travel/activity is gameplay.

 

In comparison, performing a minigame is technically gameplay but it is one without much thought or effort.

[Gi-Go]

1 minute ago, sudoku said:

To go back to my suggestion

Deciding which physical activity to do in order to workout is a gameplay decision.

Traveling to the location to perform this activity is gameplay.

Preparing for this travel/activity is gameplay.

 

Performing a minigame is technically gameplay but it is one without much thought or effort.

I'll tell you right now, chopping trees is the activity you gonna do. Traveling to a location and preparing for this travel? I think you put too much thought into walking towards closest tree. I think gym workout is more fun than chopping trees but meaby thats just my opinion. 

[Mike23Ua]

You guys really expected a Circus strongman not to get some sort of strength related Mini-Game? That’s even more absurd then saying your going to watch Scooby-Doo but Scooby won’t be in the episode.

[Gi-Go]

3 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

You guys really expected a Circus strongman not to get some sort of strength related Mini-Game? That’s even more absurd then saying your going to watch Scooby-Doo but Scooby won’t be in the episode.

I don't see it. He is circus strongman not a mobile gamer. What's with the mandatory mini-game?

[Owlrust]

5 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

What's with the mandatory mini-game?

I figure if you're gonna make Wolfgang have to earn his strength, might as well make it interact-able. Would get pretty boring if all it was is a fancy "strength-tent".

[Dextops]

9 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

I hate minigames as much as the next guy, but the gym one is great and there is no point in denying it. No point in fixing what isn't broken ither, so I don't see why klei would tweak gym and add protein shakes or whatever else. Wendy has a mini game hot and cold and that one actually sucks, so why not go complain about it instead? 

i don't see how anyone can like it... played it forever and holy hell i felt like i was gonna die of boredom after i had to beef up again it isn't that fun its just so eh and theres little to no skill involved 

[Gi-Go]

1 hour ago, Dextops said:

i don't see how anyone can like it... played it forever and holy hell i felt like i was gonna die of boredom after i had to beef up again it isn't that fun its just so eh and theres little to no skill involved 

It definitely could use tweaks but that's a numbers thing. You gain double strength from swapping sacks with other heavy objects and also make the mini game easier. The last part is a bit dumb since this mini game is as easy as could be, but the 4 points per skillcheck is game changing. 

[MagicalStorm]

I think the gym or something similar should be able to be used by other survivors, not for a 2x damage buff or whatever (Warly's got that) but for some other small buff for...something. I'm bad at coming up with things

[Copyafriend]

Wolfgang strong, lift big heavy rock REAL good.

[Chubbylicious]

On 12/11/2021 at 1:42 AM, Gi-Go said:

ArubaroBeffalo is the main offender. For someone who said multiple times he never plays Wolfgang and strongly dislikes him, he sure left a lot of replies here. And their main point is to praise klei for removing Wolfgang's speed (that's half of his relevant perks mind you). 

As a Wolfgang enthusiast I find that to be extremely frustrating and damaging. I'm worried I'm gonna be left unhappy with the rework, because of someone who wouldn't care either way. 

Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you.

I played Wolfgang some times and I find combat oriented characters quite fun! However, I feel like even having more damage, he's less interesting than Wigfrid. I just wish that he could be unique and interesting on it's on, not just damage boosts. D:

On 12/10/2021 at 11:24 AM, Pig Princess said:

Edit:

So identical, like 1:1 to pepper spice?

Sorry for replying late.

Yeah, something like that, I guess? Not every server will have a Warly player and if it did, it would be AWESOME if the damaged stacked.

Or maybe reduce the damage, I just wish that the gym could be useful for other players too.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

On 12/11/2021 at 5:42 AM, Gi-Go said:

ArubaroBeffalo is the main offender. For someone who said multiple times he never plays Wolfgang and strongly dislikes him, he sure left a lot of replies here. And their main point is to praise klei for removing Wolfgang's speed (that's half of his relevant perks mind you). 

As a Wolfgang enthusiast I find that to be extremely frustrating and damaging. I'm worried I'm gonna be left unhappy with the rework, because of someone who wouldn't care either way. 

the ****? i said that i played him a lot but i got bored of having 300hp, 300 sanity, stupid speed buff and x2 damage when i learned how to play this game without the need of using faceroll characters

actually, i dropped the mega base i started as wolfgang little after CK was added to the game. Before that i played a lot

but sure, lets atack people who defend the rework because you dont know how to provide arguments

cya, i wont waste time with a bored teenagers

 

[QuartzBeam]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

the ****?

It's okay. You can say "heck".

[Gi-Go]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

the ****? i said that i played him a lot but i got bored of having 300hp, 300 sanity, stupid speed buff and x2 damage when i learned how to play this game without the need of using faceroll characters

actually, i dropped the mega base i started as wolfgang little after CK was added to the game. Before that i played a lot

but sure, lets atack people who defend the rework because you dont know how to provide arguments

cya, i wont waste time with a bored teenagers

 

Aw man I didn't mean to offend. Just saying that people who dislike Wolfgang shouldn't praze nerf pretending to be Wolfgang lovers pleased with the change, and should instead play someone else if Wolfgang is not fun to them. I don't like Wendy and how good and easy she is, but I'm not gonna thank klei for nerfing her, especially if it's gonna be some kind of lame nerf like less walking speed. No hard feelings. 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

18 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

Aw man I didn't mean to offend. Just saying that people who dislike Wolfgang shouldn't praze nerf pretending to be Wolfgang lovers pleased with the change, and should instead play someone else if Wolfgang is not fun to them. I don't like Wendy and how good and easy she is, but I'm not gonna thank klei for nerfing her, especially if it's gonna be some kind of lame nerf like less walking speed. No hard feelings. 

so i can give feedback based imo because you dont think the same

that has a name

[Gi-Go]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

so i can give feedback based imo because you dont think the same

that has a name

Of course you can give feedback! But klei don't have "balls of steel" because they nerfed forumers least favorite character. Now, if they had removed speed from Wormwood or nerfed everyone's favorite Webber.... that would be pretty ballzy. 

But who's gonna buy full skin pack if they'll do that

[AnnaKristina]

On 12/18/2021 at 1:07 PM, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i got bored of having 300hp, 300 sanity, stupid speed

I wish the Wolfgang haters at least got his basic stats right. Claiming you are bored of a character and then citing nonsense like 300 sanity, 3x damage, or 2x speed buff should disqualify you from having an opinion about this rework. We would have had a lot less spam posts on here and maybe the voice of people who actually know and play the character would have been heard.

[LinknAllie]

I don't understand why people are freaking out about his speed.  It was barely noticeable 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

16 hours ago, LinknAllie said:

I don't understand why people are freaking out about his speed.  It was barely noticeable 

except because he could kite everything without mag.

and for me was noticeable, cane+road and you were speedy gonzalez

[Capybara007]

On 12/20/2021 at 11:23 AM, AnnaKristina said:

I wish the Wolfgang haters at least got his basic stats right. Claiming you are bored of a character and then citing nonsense like 300 sanity, 3x damage, or 2x speed buff should disqualify you from having an opinion about this rework. We would have had a lot less spam posts on here and maybe the voice of people who actually know and play the character would have been heard.

I always hated wolfgang's x7 damage and 900 hp, glad they nerfed him!