arvenil Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I'm on a budget here. There is no ONI on Stadia and Steam Deck it's not there yet. Gaming laptop? Build a PC? Any cheap yet powerful enough build? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 cheap way is OC way. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hat Logan Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 For Oni, you just need a powerful CPU with high single core speed. You do not need a powerful GPU. Even integrated should be fast enough. Best is a new 12xxx intel or 5xxx Ryzen CPU. However, if you are on a budget, some older CPU should suffice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4ndatory Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Some time ago there was a suggestion about that to the developers. It was suggested to limit in-game calculations: for example a lower limit to fluids and gas to grams instead of micrograms... This would allow a smoother run even with older CPU. I wish KLEI would implement that (for example with a toggle-able option in the menu) but i guess is too hard/demandig Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juni3227 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 That only affects memory usage. The most pressing is multicore support, but that one is very, very hard as in "reprogramming everything". Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 19 hours ago, arvenil said: I'm on a budget here. There is no ONI on Stadia and Steam Deck it's not there yet. Gaming laptop? Build a PC? Any cheap yet powerful enough build? ONI game speed scales to this cpu list: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html If one wants to do a lot with a big map in the game, I recommend a minimum spec score of 3000. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilcat19xx Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 GeForce Now is your answer. You don't even need to pay for the basic membership. If you have decent internet connection go for it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 hours ago, evilcat19xx said: GeForce Now is your answer. You don't even need to pay for the basic membership. If you have decent internet connection go for it. yes that is a solution, but it have latency , you need very good internet connection , and it cost, soo if you think you can get cheaper by that then think again Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvenil Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 4 hours ago, evilcat19xx said: GeForce Now is your answer. You don't even need to pay for the basic membership. If you have decent internet connection go for it. Interesting idea, didn't tried it before. I just installed it and: * game crashes before loading the save * I need to install game through steam every time I launch it through GeForce Now * Most of the time I need to re-login to steam, which makes this horrible with complicated password and 2FA Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or this is garbage. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, arvenil said: ... Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or this is garbage. I propose a new business model - People can lease a PC from 8-9AM, but only Mondays. The friendly PC delivery man brings it at 7.30 AM and collects it at 9.30AM. *** This service comes along with 1x monthly 10% pizza discount at PapaDupe, the minimum order requirement is 2 family size pizza. The service is called "Lease please" and can be paid by monthly subscription via DupePal. *** Offer comes without cables, keyboard, mouse or monitor. Service needs to be paid 1 year in advance. Terms & Conditions apply, service is non-refundable. PC component selection varies. ------------- If you want to play ONI casual, anything goes. If you want to go deep in to the game and do "everything", I would build a PC. You can use a lot of old or 2nd hand components ( case, power, mouse, keyboard, display, some 16gb ram flying around and such ), the game needs around 20% gpu power of a nvidia gtx 1060 + the most and very important thing: Choose a top single core performing cpu with great cooling + mainboard. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html Choose the cpu first and then get the parts together which work with that cpu and socket. Whatever you do, good luck ! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilcat19xx Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, arvenil said: game crashes before loading the save That happens if you are part of the public test. The DLC has not been officially released yet. As a result, you need to install the DLC every time for now, and it should be automatically solved by the DLC release next week. 1 hour ago, arvenil said: Most of the time I need to re-login to steam Other than the first time, there was no need to do that. 3 hours ago, gabberworld said: yes that is a solution, but it have latency , you need very good internet connection , and it cost, soo if you think you can get cheaper by that then think again It is free for basic membership. There is no cost for that. He can continue playing and pay the $49 for six months if he likes it. BTW, I am not associated with GeForce Now : ) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 "The CPU behind it all is an Intel CC150 processor which sports 8 cores and 16 threads. It looks like GeForce Now will be making use of the CPU by splitting it into two instances, each with four cores. This works out as each user having access to 4 cores and 8 threads on a shared Intel processor per node." "The CC150 is stated to offer eight cores, sixteen threads, and 16 MB of L3 cache. An interesting detail about this processor is that it lacks any turbo, it's listed as running at 3.5 GHz at all times with an operating voltage that varies between 0.672-volts to 1.008-volts." https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cc150-cpu-specs-benchmark-results If things can be tried out and tested for free, that is always good Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I don't have any direct advice, but you might want to look at the Francis John crowdsourced benchmark thread. It could point you towards better hardware. One thing to note is that GPU performance is pretty much irrelevant. Also, I highly doubt a Steam Deck would play the game well. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.J.Vodka Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 19 hours ago, M4ndatory said: 前一段时间有一个建议,开发人员。 建议限制在游戏中计算:例如下限液体和气体克而不是微克…… 这将允许一个流畅运行即使旧的CPU。 我希望KLEI实现(例如toggle-able选项菜单)但是我想太硬/ demandig Cloud computer；or wait for "oxygen not included 2"。Waiting for game optimization is hopeless. Redesign the game and split the correlation of operation data can reduce the requirements of computer configuration, so it can only be the second generation. 17 hours ago, babba said: ONI game speed scales to this cpu list: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html If one wants to do a lot with a big map in the game, I recommend a minimum spec score of 3000. Many Chinese players of "Oxygen Not Included" come from "Don't Starve", and "Don't Starve" has lower requirements for computer configuration, so their computer CPU score is more than 2500-2800. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.J.Vodka Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 9 hours ago, babba said: "The CPU behind it all is an Intel CC150 processor which sports 8 cores and 16 threads. It looks like GeForce Now will be making use of the CPU by splitting it into two instances, each with four cores. This works out as each user having access to 4 cores and 8 threads on a shared Intel processor per node." "The CC150 is stated to offer eight cores, sixteen threads, and 16 MB of L3 cache. An interesting detail about this processor is that it lacks any turbo, it's listed as running at 3.5 GHz at all times with an operating voltage that varies between 0.672-volts to 1.008-volts." https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cc150-cpu-specs-benchmark-results If things can be tried out and tested for free, that is always good There is only one cc150 on sale in the second-hand market, with a price of 2660 yuan, that is, 417 US dollars………… On 12/5/2021 at 3:52 AM, arvenil said: I'm on a budget here. There is no ONI on Stadia and Steam Deck it's not there yet. Gaming laptop? Build a PC? Any cheap yet powerful enough build? Wait for I3 12100 to sell, or rush to buy i5 12400 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, O.J.Vodka said: Wait for I3 12100 to sell, or rush to buy i5 12400 i would not buy those , when you want build pc you want that it run normally at least 5-6 years, maybe even more. go for I7-12700 if you want build now or wait little and look what amd offers in next year when he comes to market with ddr5 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Absolute MAX best case scenario: code gets really optimized, all physics and pathfinding gets shoved to a GPU compute, memory optimizations done to the max and main thread gets multithreaded, also every isolated pipe/system gets multithreaded. Enjoy your colony with 10k dupes and 60FPS. No more 10FPS because you have 10 pacus. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvenil Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, gabberworld said: i would not buy those , when you want build pc you want that it run normally at least 5-6 years, maybe even more. go for I7-12700 if you want build now or wait little and look what amd offers in next year when he comes to market with ddr5 I've never seen desktop, laptop, smartphone or any piece of technology really surviving (performance wise) for more than 2-4 years. Money wise it's usually better to buy cheap and two years later buy NEW cheap rather than overpay for current PREMIUM technology. IMHO. Or let me put this in other way, I've made this mistake to many times to fall for it again Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, cpy said: No more 10FPS because you have 10 pacus. 12 minutes ago, arvenil said: I've never seen desktop, laptop, smartphone or any piece of technology really surviving (performance wise) for more than 2-4 years. Money wise it's usually better to buy cheap and two years later buy NEW cheap rather than overpay for current PREMIUM technology. IMHO. what you mean? i to have ddr3 laptop. note the gaming laptop not some cheap crap, and how long its been at me, hmm. 7 years i think, and i still can run all modern 3d games, oni have with that some issues in late game as it have ddr3 but in other way look, i not need new pc like 2-3 years atleast maybe more. note i to even use freaking 4k monitor at that laptop, also one port goes to tv, that i can look movies Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 but lets start about that what is your budget Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 It actually turns out to be kind of social that the game has nearly no gpu requirement, that avoids participating in the $$$$ graphic card mess nowadays Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 21 hours ago, arvenil said: I've never seen desktop, laptop, smartphone or any piece of technology really surviving (performance wise) for more than 2-4 years. Money wise it's usually better to buy cheap and two years later buy NEW cheap rather than overpay for current PREMIUM technology. IMHO. Or let me put this in other way, I've made this mistake to many times to fall for it again Here's some graph. Thread means single thread performance. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/year-on-year.html *drops mic* Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvenil Posted December 8, 2021 Author Share Posted December 8, 2021 Looks like there is "Deck verified" program for all games: https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 12/6/2021 at 7:17 PM, babba said: It actually turns out to be kind of social that the game has nearly no gpu requirement, that avoids participating in the $$$$ graphic card mess nowadays this is kind true for this game but not 100%, this game fill run better if you have gpu from example the NVIDIA, it not need be the the latest one tho 970 and up should be ok, below gtx970 i not recommend because NVIDIA stops make drivers anytime soon for them Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 10 hours ago, gabberworld said: this is kind true for this game but not 100%, this game fill run better if you have gpu from example the NVIDIA, it not need be the the latest one tho 970 and up should be ok, below gtx970 i not recommend because NVIDIA stops make drivers anytime soon for them 4GB RX 480 still going strong! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135854-cheap-way-to-play-oni-comfortably/#findComment-1519823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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