Would Wigfrid retain her advantages if she stopped acting?

[wefoij]

Like she goes through an identity crisis for some reason and doesn't want to play viking anymore. Would she retain all of her advantages like healing upon kill?

[Mike23Ua]

I was hoping Klei would have explained that through “the power of the unicorn..”

As in the Helmet and Spear she uses actually being some gods weapons with wacky powers.. 

Ever seen the Disney movie Hercules? He had swords, shields, spears, helmets oh yeah and a flying horse named Pegasus.

Gal Gadot plays Wonder Woman on TV.. doesn’t mean she has the power to move fast enough to block a bullet with magical bracelets in real life though.

Wigfrids rework was the only refresh out of them all so far that I didn’t like. And no.. Method acting doesn’t give her any “powers” to vampire health from things she hits..

The only OTHER logical explanation I can come up with is that upon agreeing to join Maxwell and striking a deal with him, HE Bestowed her with a tiny bit of Permanent shadow magic that lets her actual hits vampire health from enemies. But I wish they would have explained her Vampirism with some actual lore..

[HowlVoid]

I don't think so... She may very well not be healing at all and all of her abilities may be placebos in her messed up head. 

[wefoij]

33 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

I don't think so... She may very well not be healing at all and all of her abilities may be placebos in her messed up head. 

She's fully aware she's playing a character. Pirate Hat quote.

[Capybara007]

^ And brush quote

[HumanBean150]

2 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

I don't think so... She may very well not be healing at all and all of her abilities may be placebos in her messed up head. 

This suggests that all of the characters simply die because they believe they are supposed to die.

Walter buff where he's literally invincible when?

[JiaJianjian]

 

6 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wigfrids rework was the only refresh out of them all so far that I didn’t like.

Yes, I think she would’ve been fine without the scrolls.

[Dollmaker]

Could mention how the Helmet and Spear are actually real rather than props. 

 

 

[BezKa]

If I went to the gym and made sicc gains only because I'm convinced I'm a boxer and surely will have a match soon, I'm pretty sure I'd keep my muscle after I stopped pretending. 

So at least the higher damage and less taken damage would stay :V

[Owlrust]

I like to think she's an immersive actor and learned all she could about battle tactics for when it comes to fighting. Otherwise, I also like to think she got some abilities from entering the Constant the same way all the other characters did for her voice.

[Dr. Safety]

I don't think so. Her short reveals that Maxwell pulled her into the Constant by tempting her with the full powers of her performance, which at the time was a valkyrie. The "monkey's paw" of this interaction was that she is pulled into the Constant, and essentially has to play that part forever.

[Frosty_Mentos]

She's just drop dead after she kills her own acting career.

[Pine G]

She is manifesting all of her powers though sheer force of will. Though I think that her extra damage and defense are part of martial training that she underwent to better embody her role.

Would she abandon her role though? I don't think so, it's her only remaining sense of identity. She has sacrificed a lot for her role already.

[cropo]

7 hours ago, Dr. Safety said:

I don't think so. Her short reveals that Maxwell pulled her into the Constant by tempting her with the full powers of her performance, which at the time was a valkyrie. The "monkey's paw" of this interaction was that she is pulled into the Constant, and essentially has to play that part forever.

Wigfrid can actually break character if she examines one of Wickerbottoms books(I think sleepytime stories?). She just says ''Where's the drama, where's the suspense?''

 

I think she isn't supernatural at all and suspension of disbelief is required to rationalize her healing, and her songs are basically like any ''buff'' in other games that involve boosting morale and courage. 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

9 hours ago, BezKa said:

If I went to the gym and made sicc gains only because I'm convinced I'm a boxer and surely will have a match soon, I'm pretty sure I'd keep my muscle after I stopped pretending. 

So at least the higher damage and less taken damage would stay :V

maybe her damage and reduced damage receive comes from a histeric atack when finds a enemy. Something similar to the berserker which ear mushrooms to go to the battle so they excells in being that crazy that nobody could stop them even when they were  grave wounded. Or how in psychiatric hospital needs strong nurses to inmovilize the craziest ones since they mentall ilness makes them so damn strong. The muscles are stronger that we might thing, the brain limists the mucle so it doesnt hurt the bones or organs in day to day situations but in moments of tension or with adrenaline, this limit is ignored

wigfrid perks (the healing one over others) has 0 sense. Klei wanted to make a valkiria that is actually an actress but that her behaviour and perks is from a berserker... glad they added the songs, a very fun way to make her actress personality be important and not feeling like the warrior class from a rpg..

[BezKa]

2 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

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She's not crazy though. She questions if Bearger is a berserker tho.

All of her Viking-ness is a choice. She breaks character fairly often (no light quote happens quite a lot), and her cinematic shows that she simply loves the character she's playing so much she just can't take on any other role. 

She chooses to behave like a warrior, and if anything, it's a rush of motivation whenever she gets to fight, because she can do the character justice by exceeding in battle. That at least explains the sanity gain. 

Of course it's not normal, all characters in DS are a bit crazy (Wolfgang's irrational fear of the dark, Wilson being absurdly stubborn about the fact he's a scientist and refusing to believe in magic still, while being trapped in a world ruled by it, Willow (I don't need to explain), etc) by that's by design. Her craziness is that she still insists on playing the character. 

Personally, I love angst. I've been thinking about Wigfrid having an identity crisis so much since I had a world where I played only her, and thought how would that work, what she would do, etc. And I came to conclusion that if she had to choose, she'd live, let's be honest, a lie, which she carefully crafted for a play. It's who she wishes she was since the beginning, and even if she's only pretending, in the end, if she tells herself enough that she is a Valkyrie, who's to tell her she isn't. 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

17 minutes ago, BezKa said:

She's not crazy though.

 

18 minutes ago, BezKa said:

she simply loves the character she's playing so much she just can't take on any other role.

pick one xD

[Mike23Ua]

The more I think about it, maybe Maxwell shaking her hand bestowed her body with the powers of being a Living Bat-Bat, which ironically enough, requires living logs, and to be prototyped from the Shadow Magic Tab.

Thats the only thing that makes logical sense to me since- Wigfrids Vampirism perk works rather she wears her helmet or uses her spear or not.

If the vampirism ONLY worked with while wearing the helmet, or using the spear- Then I would have explained it as those items actually belonging to a past “god” and Wigfrids simply been unaware that her ancestors wielded actual mythical powers.

Its kinda like if someone was just passed down the sword of Excalibur through their family tree- eventually someone’s going to have no idea where that sword originally came from.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

i wont take life leech as canon, just as a game feature...

[Mike23Ua]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i wont take life leech as canon, just as a game feature...

See I disagree with this because Klei at least TRIES to explain how characters get new powers (like how Wicker helps Woodie to understand & control his Werecurse)

I just feel like Wigfrids actual rework was sort of just rushed, and the lore didn’t answer the “Bruh how’s this chick getting health from smacking enemies.” Instead her lore only focused on her “Opera singing” background.  
 

Ironically though- Woodies original animated short was nothing but a funny cartoon gag, but he’s been getting more and better lore through other methods such as compendium description or Walters short.

So yeah- I totally count Wigfrids Vampirism as being canon- and I hope Klei finds a clever way to explain it at some point.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

So yeah- I totally count Wigfrids Vampirism as being canon- and I hope Klei finds a clever way to explain it at some point.

i hope no but if they do it will be explained by simply because a mage did it with NF kind of answere

i guess klei will need to explain why survivor dont drink, they dont die for not sleeping in days and dont use bathrooms too instead of realizing that is just a game and some stuff cant or shouldnt be explained

[Dr. Safety]

11 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

So yeah- I totally count Wigfrids Vampirism as being canon- and I hope Klei finds a clever way to explain it at some point.

I gotchu. She is so inspired by fighting that she is able to ignore pain when she is fighting. She is able to inspire others to do the same when she uses that one song. 

[Mike23Ua]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Safety said:

I gotchu. She is so inspired by fighting that she is able to ignore pain when she is fighting. She is able to inspire others to do the same when she uses that one song. 

Exactly! Almost as if her own body has been bestowed with shadow magic am I right? Or.. Maybe she just is the ancestor of an actual Valkyrie & her magic powers have gone untapped into all her life.

My grandpas favorite super hero was always Superman, an alien from another planet who crash lands on earth as a baby, raised up as a normal child until one day his powers just “slip” out.. Born an Alien, raised a Human, Seen by the people on earth as a God.

Wigfrid could be of actual Viking heritage- where did she get her Helm & Spear? Why is she so fascinated by the method acting role she can’t snap out of?

Her animated short didn’t answer any of the questions I was hoping Klei would tackle with her rework.

If she quit method acting that she was a Viking.. would she quit having the powers of one? That’s the Ops question-

But the answer to that.. if your born and your great great great great great grandmother was a mighty Valkyrie & you spent your whole life unaware of that-  Then the role you think your “acting out” was one that’s in your own bloodline.

Its like Superman having a kid.

[Pine G]

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13 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Exactly! Almost as if her own body has been bestowed with shadow magic am I right? Or.. Maybe she just is the ancestor of an actual Valkyrie & her magic powers have gone untapped into all her life.

My grandpas favorite super hero was always Superman, an alien from another planet who crash lands on earth as a baby, raised up as a normal child until one day his powers just “slip” out.. Born an Alien, raised a Human, Seen by the people on earth as a God.

Wigfrid could be of actual Viking heritage- where did she get her Helm & Spear? Why is she so fascinated by the method acting role she can’t snap out of?

Her animated short didn’t answer any of the questions I was hoping Klei would tackle with her rework.

If she quit method acting that she was a Viking.. would she quit having the powers of one? That’s the Ops question-

But the answer to that.. if your born and your great great great great great grandmother was a mighty Valkyrie & you spent your whole life unaware of that-  Then the role you think your “acting out” was one that’s in your own bloodline.

Its like Superman having a kid.

 

I believe that she just sees herself in the role of the Valkyrie. It's not really an acting role for her, but rather a way for her to express her truest self. 

In the fantasy segment of her animated short, the focus is on her fantasy self. There is no audience in sight, which means that she isn't acting for popularity or attention, but rather finds true joy in expressing herself as a mighty Valkyrie. 

To lose her acting role would be to lose her personal sense of identity. There is nothing that she fears more than not being seen by others the way she sees herself.

[wefoij]

Wigfrid's vampirism in DS is from absorbing the soul of her slain enemies.