Foonthyurnt Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 I've been cooking up this theory for a while. Many of the characters that bring items into the Constant, such as Willow and Bernie, are thought to have been brought to the real world, however, they seem to have properties that they wouldn't have outside the Constant. I think that items such as these are changed because of the users feeling towards said item, similar to the way nightmare fuel can transform things and change how they work or behave, like Chester and the ancients seen in the metheus puzzle. I think this is how Bernie attracts the attention of shadow beasts, but then why would the terrorbeak in Willows trailer be afraid of Bernie? I think the Constants creatures are less powerful outside of it, so maybe they always had those abilities. Another example of this is seen in Wendys trailer where Abigail flashes, but doesn't stay there. That's about it. I'd love to see some criticism, and nitpicks about this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 its counterpart is glass from the moon Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1483978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, Dr.Medic said: its counterpart is glass from the moon how? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1483979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 25 minutes ago, Dr.Medic said: its counterpart is glass from the moon To me glass has been the counterpart of thelucite *shrugs*. Speaking of... WE DESPERATELY NEED MORE GLASS CRAFTS. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1483989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardin25 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 dream bio-diesel Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1483991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 4 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: how? glass cutter made whit the moon altar is strong against shadows Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, Dr.Medic said: glass cutter made whit the moon altar is strong against shadows isnt strong, deals the same damage vs a pig than vs a shadow. Is just fragil glass hitting ethereal beings... we had this conversation already i think Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: isnt strong, deals the same damage vs a pig than vs a shadow. Is just fragil glass hitting ethereal beings... we had this conversation already i think and i still stand to my point that the moon wants the shadows dead so there energy the moonglass last longer Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 46 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: isnt strong, deals the same damage vs a pig than vs a shadow. Is just fragil glass hitting ethereal beings... we had this conversation already i think Still only glass have this feature. Regular spears or shadow swords don't last longer against shadow creatures Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 minute ago, landromat said: Still only glass have this feature. Regular spears or shadow swords don't last longer against shadow creatures that is actually a good point, finally maybe klei didnt though about it but seems obvious more than a glass tied to a board having magical moon powers that the only works for lasting longer instead of having extra damage vs their nemesis which would make more sense with the hypothesis of moon magic being strong against shadows Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Lunar Magic is the counterpart. Alter and by extension the Gestalts are absolute rivals to the Shadows. They're constantly at war in the grotto and nightmare items repel small gestalts whilst making larger ones angry. Having shadow stuff nearby will protect you from the small ones and make the large ones attack you. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraia Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 On 8/5/2021 at 8:51 PM, -Variant said: Lunar Magic is the counterpart. Alter and by extension the Gestalts are absolute rivals to the Shadows. They're constantly at war in the grotto and nightmare items repel small gestalts whilst making larger ones angry. Having shadow stuff nearby will protect you from the small ones and make the large ones attack you. This feels right but it also doesn't feel right (but one's theory is one's opinion).. in the Metheus Puzzle, the Ancient Obelisk shows the gateway with Nightmare and Lunar powers going into it to probably keep their Kingdom/City stable (I guess?) But, who knows, they might be rivals or not, and who knows which side we're saving/helping (or we'll bring both powers to their kingdom back, or maybe none at all, who knows?) hmm, this makes me curious about The Forge animation... what could Charlie possibly be controlling? Lunar Powers? The Mysterious Energy perhaps? I don't know... no one does, I'm just very curious about this particular part I have another little question... Who's Metheus? The Moon? All we know about the moon is that Them is the Moon Look, I have a little something... Themoon Who else sees the word "Them" in those words combined? In the Axiom Visus teaser, look at the description (sorry if I'm going off topic here lol) Who else sees "Metheus is here"? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim the Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I think it’s moongleams. They have a similar look to the gestalts, which fight the shadows, and are like the nightmare creatures of the moon. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIEMniak Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 We could have Lunar Enlightenment-ish ectoplasma or other type of transparent, blue-tinted blobs of semi-matter. I'm all for great battle between shadow and moonlight. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodyRandom Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 I'm calling the lunar magic "Lunar Essence" until Klei tells us it's name, I find it pretty fitting. On 8/5/2021 at 10:09 PM, ShadowQueen said: what could Charlie possibly be controlling? Lunar Powers? The Mysterious Energy perhaps? I don't know... no one does, I'm just very curious about this particular part Pretty sure Charlie is gathering Lunar Essence here to fuel the Tragic Torch, you can see her doing the same in Axiom Visus. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/132459-nightmare-fuels-counterpart/#findComment-1484308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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