nakomaru Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Check out @ghkbrew's better version: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Some more complex variants that also cool your base. Only uses its own power if set like displayed, or supply external power to reach whatever temperatures you want. Automation turns on the tuner when battery is 50-100%, steam room is below 135C and water above desired temperature. Outputs the desired temperature directly. (add above automation/battery as needed). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1413887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura_sk Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 @nakomaru how many times did you edit that? (Wasn't valves on the other side or am I losing it ?! ) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1413902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghkbrew Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Grr. I just got on to post this: @nakomaru, you scooped me! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1413918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 @ghkbrew I like it! Is there enough thermal capacity for that to run well on average? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1413921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghkbrew Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, nakomaru said: @ghkbrew I like it! Is there enough thermal capacity for that to run well on average? yup, the cooling chamber has been stable at ~106C for many cycles. I initially had 2 tiles of crude oil at the bottom and a door to prevent sulfur from coming in if it got too hot, but took that all out when saw how stable it was. The pipes and tiles are aluminum so that helps. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1413923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Very nice. Mine did something.. a little weird, I think. You get the OP. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1413932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghkbrew Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, nakomaru said: Very nice. Mine did something.. a little weird, I think. Comparing our designs, I think part of it is that I only have 20kg of steam per tile. So the turbine starts up a couple seconds after eruption begins. 14 minutes ago, nakomaru said: You get the OP. Ha, well that really wasn't necessary, but I appreciate it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1413941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackblac Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 17 hours ago, nakomaru said: The bridge on the right side of the steam chamber can leak heat to the outside. If you use a bridge on the turbine water output and just pipe the coolant this is fixed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura_sk Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Jackblac said: The bridge on the right side of the steam chamber can leak heat to the outside Can it really leak heat when there is cool p.water running though it? (sorry... never experienced leaking heat when I usually run liquid though an aquatuner in a steam room. Is that a thing?!) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 20 hours ago, ghkbrew said: Grr. I just got on to post this: @nakomaru, you scooped me! Really like the simplicity of this one! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Very nice. I'd probably put the arm on a timer or try using weight plates or something. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 12 hours ago, Jackblac said: The bridge on the right side of the steam chamber can leak heat to the outside. If you use a bridge on the turbine water output and just pipe the coolant this is fixed Good catch, thanks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghkbrew Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I've managed to build this in survival. It helped that I was working in a an already vacuumed oil biome. I only made it rain in there twice in the process . I had add the hydro-sensor and door to throttle sulfur output. This geyser outputs faster and shorter than the one I was testing. My favorite part is the new piping layout. It's just so neat and tidy this way. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Question about the self-cooling of the steam turbine: I have tried that in the past but it always failed eventually. I did not use a liquid for conductivity though. Is that the way to get it working reliably? So far I always had an aquatuner in there anyways, so I did not look any further at the problem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 In theory all you need is for the steam to not exceed a certain temperature. But if you are only using a small amount of oxygen I can see it not having enough conduction up top. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, nakomaru said: In theory all you need is for the steam to not exceed a certain temperature. But if you are only using a small amount of oxygen I can see it not having enough conduction up top. Ah, so my steam was likely too hot. That makes sense. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jann5s Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 @ghkbrew, how much steam did you put in the steam room? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 6:49 AM, ghkbrew said: only have 20kg of steam per tile Probably something similar for the second build. It doesn't matter very much as long as it's not extreme in either direction. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghkbrew Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jann5s said: @ghkbrew, how much steam did you put in the steam room? This one has about 40kg/tile, because I was eyeballing how many fluid packets to let in. Like @nakomaru, says it needs to be low enough that the steam turbine starts operating promptly after the geyser begins erupting. But If you have too little it will run low on steam while the exhaust water travels all the way around, and you may end getting too hot for the steam turbine to be self cooling. I also had to switch to aluminum pipe behind the turbine, because the iron pipe wasn't cooling it sufficiently. It's right on the edge of what you can self cool it seems. 1 hour ago, Gurgel said: 1 hour ago, nakomaru said: In theory all you need is for the steam to not exceed a certain temperature. But if you are only using a small amount of oxygen I can see it not having enough conduction up top. Ah, so my steam was likely too hot. That makes sense. The theoretical maximum temperature you can run steam at is 145C. The turbine is then absorbing 50C (times the SHC of water) of heat from the water and adding 5C worth (10%) to itself. That exactly matches the 5C worth of cooling you get from the 95C exhaust water. In practice the limit is closer to 130C, because the above numbers assume perfect heat transfer which you can't achieve. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackblac Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 19 hours ago, sakura_sk said: Can it really leak heat when there is cool p.water running though it? (sorry... never experienced leaking heat when I usually run liquid though an aquatuner in a steam room. Is that a thing?!) From the wiki "Liquid does not exchange heat with the bridge it flows through, but the bridge itself can transfer heat from the environment, so insulating materials should be used when placing a bridge across the walls of, say, a steam chamber." Bridges are also not classified as insulated so for thermal conductivity the average of materials is used in calculations. I remember doing this mistake once with a aquatuber/turbine combo and saw about 5% extra usage on the one with bridge connecting hot and cold sides. I have also seen some builds where people put a gas, liquid and wire bridge on top of each other to increase heat exchange over a tile. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1414580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 11:19 AM, Jackblac said: I have also seen some builds where people put a gas, liquid and wire bridge on top of each other to increase heat exchange over a tile. Conveyor bridge is best for this use case, but all other bridges (automation too) work too. It mostly comes down to mass and material choice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/#findComment-1415488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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