Question about tempshift plates and insulated tiles

[suxkar]

Hello! As title says, I'd like to know how tempshift plates work precisely. For example, I've noticed that when building cold and hot rooms, for example for aquatuner-turbine setups, tempshift plates close to insulated tiles make it so that the insulated tiles conduce heat more then they normally would. That gets bad when the temperatures get high and, for example, a 90C insulated tile ends up leaking a fair amount of heat to the oxygen surrounding it. So, can anyone tell me how tempshift plates affect the heat transfer equation of a, say, igneous rock insulated tile? Am I making a fuss about nothing? 

[Darkin Coaled]

A tempshift plate is in fact a 3x3 object, centered on the visible graphic. If you place it near a wall it will interact with that wall. The exact math for the interaction between plate and insulated tile is not known to me, but since there definitely is some heat transfer you should probably avoid placing them near tiles that need to keep the temperature IN.

[Lilalaunekuh]

Sure tempshift plates heat up the insulated tiles next to them, but the insulated tiles transfer not much heat to the surrounding atmosphere.

[If you don´t place tempshift plates on both sides xD]

1 hour ago, suxkar said:

Am I making a fuss about nothing? 

Most of the time, if I want to add thermal capacity to a(n insulated) room, I use a border of dry walls next to the insulated tiles and just fill the middle area with tempshift plates.

[ONIfreak]

Plate improve heat transfer on tile it is and to surrounding tiles. Insulated tile prevent heat to spread. So when you have hot and cold room split by insulated tile and you do not want heat to spread build temp. plate in hot room 1 tile away from insulate tile - it will pull heat inside the room. If you build temp. Plate next to insulate tile this plate will be pulling temp from other tiles and try to even out temp for insulated tile heating it up. 

[nakomaru]

I imagine it is calculated just as any other thing inside of a tile is. In other words, it should conduct heat by an ordinary factor of 200 with tiles.

[badgamer123]

43 minutes ago, Lilalaunekuh said:

Sure tempshift plates heat up the insulated tiles next to them, but the insulated tiles transfer not much heat to the surrounding atmosphere.

[If you don´t place tempshift plates on both sides xD]

Most of the time, if I want to add thermal capacity to a(n insulated) room, I use a border of dry walls next to the insulated tiles and just fill the middle area with tempshift plates.

it actually a pretty good way to transfer heat with both side tempshift plate,i like to use that to stabilize some cool room near 20C 

[Lilalaunekuh]

3 minutes ago, badgamer123 said:

it actually a pretty good way to transfer heat with both side tempshift plate

If I want to conduct heat, why would I go for something using an insulated tile ?

[Tempshiftplate -> insulated tile -> tempshift plate]

Shouldn't a normal tile in between the 2 rooms work much better ?

[badgamer123]

1 minute ago, Lilalaunekuh said:

If I want to conduct heat, why would I go for something using an insulated tile ?

[Tempshiftplate -> insulated tile -> tempshift plate]

Shouldn't a normal tile in between the 2 rooms work much better ?

i generally do that to my early decko farm, all insulated tile and a wort in H2. find a corner and with build 2 dirt(or clay) tempshift on both side.
leeching some cooling from decko room,but drain too fast the room become too hot for plants.
it work nicely until i got automation going to rebuild the base.
i guess you can build wire bridge for the same effect.
 

[bobucles]

Tempshift plates WILL soak extra heat into insulation. The effect seems to be a simple case of simply doing more heat transfer calculations at the tile, so instead of 4 heat transfers (north, south, east, west) there's an additional heat transfer for every tempshift plate.

A quick test shows this pretty clearly. The case is made of insulation and the center bar is ceramic. The ceramic touching 2 tempshifts has less heat transfer than the ceramic touching 3 tempshifts. Placing tempshifts on both sides is enough heat calculations to start pumping heat through the ceramic.

There are also other cases of black magic with temperature calculations. For example this cute test had one sided tempshifts on the left, a sandwich in the middle and none on the right. I look away for one second, and suddenly the left side has .5kg steam despite the rest of the water being cold. Don't ask me how it works, it's ONI magic.

[Lurve]

2 hours ago, bobucles said:

I look away for one second, and suddenly the left side has .5kg steam despite the rest of the water being cold. Don't ask me how it works, it's ONI magic.

It's a "sweating" type mechanic.  When a solid tile in contact with water hits 100C, it'll make a little bubble of steam and transfer heat into that, even if it doesn't heat up the rest of the water much because insulation.  If you watch the insulated tile temperatures, you should see them rise to 100C, form a bubble and snap back down.  If you dribble some lava under a body of water, this makes a quite enjoyable boil.

I guess your middle setup is transferring heat quickly enough that the body of water is cooling the ceramic and avoiding this behavior.

[suxkar]

4 hours ago, bobucles said:

Tempshift plates WILL soak extra heat into insulation. The effect seems to be a simple case of simply doing more heat transfer calculations at the tile, so instead of 4 heat transfers (north, south, east, west) there's an additional heat transfer for every tempshift plate.

A quick test shows this pretty clearly. The case is made of insulation and the center bar is ceramic. The ceramic touching 2 tempshifts has less heat transfer than the ceramic touching 3 tempshifts. Placing tempshifts on both sides is enough heat calculations to start pumping heat through the ceramic.

There are also other cases of black magic with temperature calculations. For example this cute test had one sided tempshifts on the left, a sandwich in the middle and none on the right. I look away for one second, and suddenly the left side has .5kg steam despite the rest of the water being cold. Don't ask me how it works, it's ONI magic.

Thank you for this test. So this confirms what seemed to be the case. I'll keep on leaving 1 space between tempshifts and tiles! Thanks everyone!

 

[badgamer123]

1 hour ago, Lurve said:

It's a "sweating" type mechanic.  When a solid tile in contact with water hits 100C, it'll make a little bubble of steam and transfer heat into that, even if it doesn't heat up the rest of the water much because insulation.  If you watch the insulated tile temperatures, you should see them rise to 100C, form a bubble and snap back down.  If you dribble some lava under a body of water, this makes a quite enjoyable boil.

I guess your middle setup is transferring heat quickly enough that the body of water is cooling the ceramic and avoiding this behavior.

....so we could drip some lava for sour gas steam without making the whole pool boiling?