Anyone tried capturing meteor CO2? (Could meteors be an effective water source?)

[Zarquan]

Meteors release CO2 on impact.  I was wondering if anyone had tried capturing significant amounts of it and feeding it to slicksters.  It seems like each impact releases a lot of CO2, so perhaps this is something we can use.

I think space "bead pump" towers might be able to do it, but I won't be able to test this until tomorrow.  It would be easier if bead pumps could pump down though.

I did a couple experiments on how much CO2 is released:

• Iron comets release 2500 g CO2 each
• Rock comets release 10833.3 g CO2 each
• Dust comets release 2500 g CO2 each

So many of these fall that if we could capture the CO2, we could feed an absurd number of slicksters. 

Keep in mind that CO2 sources can be converted to water through slicksters.  2000g CO2 produces 604 g water (through boiling to sour gas, condensing to natural gas, and feeding the CO2 from the nat gas generators back to the slicksters), so there is a significant consistent water source for whoever can harness it. 

EDIT:  I did some number crunching.  If you use electrolyzers to convert water to air, then you need 67,568 grams per cycle for a normal dupe to breathe.  This means that you need 223,734 grams per cycle of CO2 to provide oxygen for one duplicant.  I don't know how many meteors fall per shower, though, but it is quite a lot.  But I personally doubt there is too much to gain in water, but I think the increase in potential slickster population could make it worth it.

According to ONI Meteorology (which is old, so it could be wrong) and my numbers, the comet drops 3,691.7 grams of CO2 per comet.  With the 223,734 grams per cycle needed, we would need around 61 comets on average per cycle if we were to get enough CO2, but that would only be if we could capture it all.

[Chuckh]

When you did your experiments, was that upon impact? Or was it including what it drops on its way down?

I imagine if you catch them at the bottom of your world (if you had a giant hole in your map somewhere specifically for catching them), then they'd release more total on the way down.

[Oozinator]

Mhh but how you want to catch it? It will quick vent into space..

[Angpaur]

44 minutes ago, Chuckh said:

I imagine if you catch them at the bottom of your world (if you had a giant hole in your map somewhere specifically for catching them), then they'd release more total on the way down

This is what I did in my previous colony. Amount of CO2 I was harvesting this way was insane. I think that at some point I had more than 100 molten slicksters.

[Chuckh]

11 minutes ago, Angpaur said:

This is what I did in my previous colony. Amount of CO2 I was harvesting this way was insane. I think that at some point I had more than 100 molten slicksters.

Well, I think OP has his answer!

[SkunkMaster]

Quite easy so yes

 

[Oozinator]

When you run for example 10 petrol gens, you get enough co² for a slickster army, why should someone do it that way?
Sure possible, but usability?

[Angpaur]

1 hour ago, Oozinator said:

When you run for example 10 petrol gens, you get enough co² for a slickster army, why should someone do it that way?

Yeah, that's right!

I would go even further and run 20 generator. I have no idea what I will do with all that power neither I know where to get all needed petroleum, but harvesting that free CO2 seems now to me too easy and lame...

 

On second thought maybe I will go with 30 generators. YOLO!!!!!

[Yunru]

Shouldn't be that hard to catch either. You just have to have pumps catch all of it before it hits space, which you could do by just sacrificing (part of) a biome.

[Zarquan]

2 hours ago, Angpaur said:

I would go even further and run 20 generator. I have no idea what I will do with all that power neither I know where to get all needed petroleum, but harvesting that free CO2 seems now to me too easy and lame...

That's a lot of water you know.  Specifically, 15 kg/s water if 20 petrol generators are all running constantly.  You get more through nat gas.

8 hours ago, Chuckh said:

When you did your experiments, was that upon impact? Or was it including what it drops on its way down?

I imagine if you catch them at the bottom of your world (if you had a giant hole in your map somewhere specifically for catching them), then they'd release more total on the way down.

Yes it was on impact.

 

I am going to make a bead pump based system and see how much I can get without encroaching on the inside of the asteroid.

 

[Oozinator]

3 hours ago, Angpaur said:

I have no idea what I will do with all that power neither I know where to get all needed petroleum,...On second thought maybe I will go with 30 generators. YOLO!!!!!

On my actual map i have 3 oil wells and three slush geysers, close together..

[Zarquan]

There is so much CO2 to be had from these meteors.  I built a single bead pump and it appeared to be capturing ~5 kg/s CO2.  That is enough for 150 slicksters, though that is an overestimate.  But I can just build more bead pumps and get more CO2.  

FYI, 5 kg/s CO2 converts to 1.5 kg/s water, which converts to 1340 g/s O2, which is enough for 13 duplicants.  And this is with only one 4x5 bead pump.  Though I will have to make it larger unless I want to put the slickster ranch inside the bead pump...

EDIT:  I noticed that though the solids that come out of the meteor are very hot, (ex. iron at 400 C, the CO2 comes in at a comfortable 46.9 C.  So if I play my cards right, I could build a molten slickster ranch inside the bead pumps with minimal cooling/heating required.  I will probably not be grooming them because I don't want my dupes anywhere near this, so they will be unhappy ranch self sustaining ranch.

[lee1026]

7 hours ago, Oozinator said:

When you run for example 10 petrol gens, you get enough co² for a slickster army, why should someone do it that way?
Sure possible, but usability?

Where are you going to get the oil for 10 petrol gens? Map seeds top at 3 oil wells, which is only 5 petrol gens.

 

For the dirt obsessed members of the forum, that is no where near enough co2.

[Zarquan]

2 minutes ago, lee1026 said:

Where are you going to get the oil for 10 petrol gens? Map seeds top at 3 oil wells, which is only 5 petrol gens.

 

For the dirt obsessed members of the forum, that is no where near enough co2.

The meteors add a lot of CO2, and we are capturing it.  We then feed the CO2 to slicksters.  I build 1 bead pump in a bowl of CO2 and got about 5 kg/s CO2.  With more pumps, we can get more crude oil, therefore more petrol generators.

[lee1026]

You lose net CO2 (and dirt) from the slickster process, so if you are the dirt obsessed members of the forum, you will want to directly scrub it.

[0xFADE]

It has been a plan for a long time since they changed them to emitting co2.  I plan on making very long silos.  Anything more than 0 is more than i'm getting now.

[Oozinator]

16 minutes ago, lee1026 said:

Where are you going to get the oil for 10 petrol gens? Map seeds top at 3 oil wells, which is only 5 petrol gens.

They do not run permanent..

[Zarquan]

2 hours ago, lee1026 said:

You lose net CO2 (and dirt) from the slickster process, so if you are the dirt obsessed members of the forum, you will want to directly scrub it.

True, but you can't breathe dirt.  I am interested in turning it to water.  If you make enough water and have enough slicksters, you don't need as much dirt for your sleetwheat farms because you are eating barbecue instead.  Besides, you need water for sleetwheat too.  And there is plenty of water to be made here.  I am personally more water obsessed than dirt obsessed.  We do get plenty of dirt from this too, just not as much.

[0xFADE]

Yep, you don't really need dirt for anything, you can live quite well off a meat economy.

[lee1026]

For breathing, you probably need too many slicksters to be realistic. Each dupe will require 10 or so fully groomed slicksters to breathe, or about 50 ungroomed ones.

 

Considering that dupe time effectively cost you water, I am not sure that slicksters are cost effective at all. If you need meat, you need meat, but raising slicksters for water is unlikely to be a good idea.

 

ALso, pDirt offgasses to oxygen.

[lee1026]

You need 40 wild ones per dupe. You are not getting there with the printer pod.

[lee1026]

Well, let's run the natural gas math.

 

It takes 3kg of oil to yield 2 kg of nat gas to yield 1.5 kg of water, for a water yield of 0.5 kg per kg of oil. Each dupe needs 100grams per second. A groomed slickster is 16.67 grams of oil per second, so you need 6 per dupe. Wild ones are 24 per dupe. I am far from convinced that CPUs will allow you to run a slickster farm to make much of a difference.

 

On the other hand, a pair of hydrogen rocket farming the 10K rockets will throw off 1 kg of water per second in excess water  (on my actual survival map), enough for 10 dupes.

[Zarquan]

17 minutes ago, lee1026 said:

It takes 3kg of oil to yield 2 kg of nat gas to yield 1.5 kg of water, for a water yield of 0.5 kg per kg of oil. Each dupe needs 100grams per second. A groomed slickster is 16.67 grams of oil per second, so you need 6 per dupe. Wild ones are 24 per dupe. I am far from convinced that CPUs will allow you to run a slickster farm to make much of a difference.

I usually run large slickster ranches in my games, my computer doesn't complain too much.

[lee1026]

How large is large? For just 4 extra dupes, you need 160, and that is beyond normal ideas of large

 

[Zarquan]

I just wish the game would consolidate animals.  When you have 10 slicksters all doing the same thing and approximately the same age, why not just combine them in to a slickster x10, where they just simulate 1 slickster and just have it do 10 times as much as it did before.  That would mean that we could have 100 slicksters for 1/10th the performance price.  And there is no reason we would be capped at 10.  We could have the slicksters individual age be preserved to the 10x becomes 9x when one of the slicksters dies.  This would apply to all animals, not just slicksters.  Then we could have, say, 5 slicksters representing a few hundred without the performance hit.  The hard part would be determining how grooming would work.