The 2C3D Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 So, err... Next of Kin sure is a thing! It’s really dense and I’m building mental conspiracy cork boards to rival Winona’s. I just need to dump some ideas out where they’re available to get a hand cutting the ones I haven’t noticed are contradictory and to link some more things together. Charlie’s Letter: Contents: Spoiler Dear Winona, How are you?! Congratulations on the new job! I k[new] you would find something soon. Have you settled in alright? Are you taking care of yourself? I’m still here in San Fran and things are going well. My magic act partner has taught me so much about showmanship in such a short time. I think you two would really get along! You’re both very stubborn. Haha! The most interesting thing here is the information that Winona and Charlie got jobs around the same time. Okay, the most interesting part is that it’s more character development for Charlie, but that’s not going to be connected to much other lore. The Factory’s Location See? Right in the corner of that card? It says “Sydney, OHI” before being blocked by the “GAIN ACCESS TO VOXOLA” note. It seems to me that the voxola factory is in Sydney, Ohio. (Wait, I’ve encountered an old Kevin quote and we already knew that... Shoot.) Wickerbottom’s Entry Point: The short seems to suggest that the door Winona found started a fire. In addition, she considers the New York library burning to be significant. It’s a reasonable guess to say that this is Wickerbottom’s library. While I’m not the first to say this, I haven’t seen anyone else mention that the headline is dated. March 29th, 1911. This makes her an early entry, given that the time for entry was 1910-1921 according to that one post from Kevin in 2014. Left... No Witnesses? The real life San Francisco earthquake was on April 18. The Chronicles’ headline basically proves this to be the case in DS/T. If that’s the case, it raises a strange, annoying and probably fruitless and meaningless question: Why was Charlie last seen on the 17th, the day before the show? The best solution I can come up with is that no audience members survived the show. Perhaps they’re the skeletons we see littering the ground. I like that idea. New headcanon. I vaguely remember having other ideas, but my brain is about to putrefact and spill out my ears (I’m sure it shows here) if I don’t go to bed. I’m tired. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeGuy Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 There's also this: The Exposition Universelle et Internationale took place in Brussels, Belgium in 1910. France was one of the countries that participated in it. The interesting part comes with the fact that several pavilions were more or less destroyed in August 14 & 15. Given the pattern of fires following people getting pulled into the Constant, and the fact that the period for the survivors getting dragged in is 1910-1921, I think there's a good chance that this refers to Wes. While it's not explicitly stated that he's French, the background on his portrait and some of his skins seem to hint at it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuffles Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I don't wanna be a party pooper, but I dont think the Board belongs to Winona, it seems more like it's some sort of Police investigation. Keep in mind Winona was suprised when she first saw Charlie, if she was so desperate, she'd probably shed a few tears instead Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, FuffledBeeQueen said: I don't wanna be a party pooper, but I dont think the Board belongs to Winona, it seems more like it's some sort of Police investigation. Keep in mind Winona was suprised when she first saw Charlie, if she was so desperate, she'd probably shed a few tears instead Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I hope that Winona's conspiracy theorist element shows up in later parts of the lore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonball 594 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Winona and wagstaff were probably working together to build the board Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naveil Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 My theory is that for each character refresh their short will begin on the board before transitioning into their origin story, so to speak. As they do, more points will become visible and a larger story begins to unfold. As we join the dots another ARG becomes clear, leading up to an ultimate goal (playable Charlie? Event?) Or maybe I'm just a hopeful idiot waiting for another ARG, who knows (pls Klei) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 propably G-friend of winona or/and family of winona/charlie worked on the board. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2C3D Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 10 hours ago, cannonball 594 said: Winona and wagstaff were probably working together to build the board Wagstaff wouldn’t have needed to “Gain” access to Voxola. 11 hours ago, FuffledBeeQueen said: I don't wanna be a party pooper, but I dont think the Board belongs to Winona, it seems more like it's some sort of Police investigation. Winona having recently gotten the job and the skin quote “When all signs pointed to Voxola, Winona knew what she had to do” suggest this board is hers. Also, whoever made the board had access to Winona’s personal letters. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Da LOLs Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 i'm curious of what Maxwell's and Wilson's animations are going to be because we already know how they got in Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonball 594 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 They probably won’t rework Wilson. It would just feel strange giving him perks and downsides. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 53 minutes ago, 4 Da LOLs said: i'm curious of what Maxwell's and Wilson's animations are going to be because we already know how they got in Cyclum reanimated? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Da LOLs Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, cannonball 594 said: They probably won’t rework Wilson. It would just feel strange giving him perks and downsides. they did say all 12 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, 4 Da LOLs said: they did say all 12 Wait... Cyclum in WORTOX's perspective? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Da LOLs Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, minespatch said: Wait... Cyclum in WORTOX's perspective? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo how does that relate? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, 4 Da LOLs said: how does that relate? New character and helps give a outsider perspectiv? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeGuy Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 hours ago, 4 Da LOLs said: i'm curious of what Maxwell's and Wilson's animations are going to be because we already know how they got in Maybe we'll see the "crazy" 1906-1910 period for Maxwell (along with hopefully more Charlie speech file comments), and either his antics in the Constant or what his life was like before getting dragged in for Wilson. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2C3D Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 This shows for a few frames as the camera spins around Charlie and Winona, right as we see Charlie go into Spooky Mode. "Do Evil Shadow Monster" is a pretty strange message to put up. I can't make out the text below beyond the L and judging by the second "word" being a squiggle () I think that's intentional. Someone (Wagstaff?) knows what a Terrorbeak looks like and that probably means... something? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, The 2C3D said: This shows for a few frames as the camera spins around Charlie and Winona, right as we see Charlie go into Spooky Mode. "Do Evil Shadow Monster" is a pretty strange message to put up. I can't make out the text below beyond the L and judging by the second "word" being a squiggle () I think that's intentional. Someone (Wagstaff?) knows what a Terrorbeak looks like and that probably means... something? do evil shadow mosters lurk among us? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 50 minutes ago, SpikeGuy said: either his antics in the Constant or what his life was like before getting dragged in for Wilson. That could work. Maybe a timelapse of him slowly deteriorating on the throne? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeGuy Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Also, is anyone paying attention to the title? What does "Next of Kin" mean here? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, SpikeGuy said: "Next of Kin" Well, Winona is Carlie's kin. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2C3D Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, SpikeGuy said: What does "Next of Kin" mean here? Closest living relative. Thus, Winona would would be Charlie's next of kin, if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103687-next-of-kin-putting-out-idea-fragments-before-my-brain-melts-into-goo-and-i-forget/#findComment-1163830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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