JamesBucket Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I am no professional at this game(longest survived is 400 cycles, but I often restart to see if I can do better), but these are the tips I frequently use & found useful, so thought it would help other folks who only recently started this game. Hope you enjoy, and those who are more experienced, please gift me with your wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I would disagree with the statement about not using deoderizers with algae terrariums. ALWAYS use a deoderizer next to algae terrariums, there is no need to waste your algae resource, sand is in greater supply and less valuable than algae and the deoderizer makes the terrariums more efficient. In reality, growing your bristle berries with freshly sieved water more often than not leads to your bristles being too hot to grow, be sure to use Wheezeworts if you do this. I would also disagree with providing the electrolyzer with dirty water. Electrolyzers should be fed a clean supply of water. While dupes do not get ill from being covered in slimelung germs, they do contaminate your base with it, it eventually gets in large enough quantities that it contaminates food and your dupes end up with food poisoning. Basically, scrap 4:03 onwards, it's bad advice. Keeping your dupes clean is paramount to a colonies survival, particularly if you play with very low immunity settings. Good video all in all. A very good tip I saw a while ago, was to use the PW from toilets before it goes to the sieve to condense cool steam vents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 58 minutes ago, Craigjw said: ALWAYS use a deoderizer next to algae terrariums Agree, this is a good way to create the clay for an early ceramic production 58 minutes ago, Craigjw said: I would also disagree with providing the electrolyzer with dirty water. I play without immunity regeneration and even under this conditions I would recommend feeding your germy water to the electrolyzer. (Food poisoning in air does no harm and is even able to kill slimelung germs.) Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Lilalaunekuh said: I play without immunity regeneration and even under this conditions I would recommend feeding your germy water to the electrolyzer. (Food poisoning in air does no harm and is even able to kill slimelung germs.) I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBucket Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Craigjw said: I would disagree with the statement about not using deodorizers with algae terrariums. ALWAYS use a deodorizer next to algae terrariums, there is no need to waste your algae resource, sand is in greater supply and less valuable than algae Perhaps you did not get my points properly. In the video, I meant "stop feeding terrarium with algae & water once PW is dropped. Let the PW bottle become source of (unpleasant) breathable gas and disable terrarium". Unless you want to make clay like Lilalaunekuh mentioned, there's really no need for deodorizer in absence of slimelung. So don't use any more resource (be it algae, water or sand) besides already dropped polluted water. 6 hours ago, Craigjw said: and the deodorizer makes the terrariums more efficient. Really? How? I had no idea on that one, could you explain please? 6 hours ago, Craigjw said: In reality, growing your bristle berries with freshly sieved water more often than not leads to your bristles being too hot to grow, be sure to use Wheezeworts if you do this. Which I clearly mentioned on 2:25. Though I used electrolyzer as an example for the clip, I meant for the crops as well. 5 hours ago, Craigjw said: While dupes do not get ill from being covered in slimelung germs, they do contaminate your base with it, it eventually gets in large enough quantities that it contaminates food and your dupes end up with food poisoning. You can't get slimelung disease by ingesting slimelung germ, and definetely not food poisoning (two different germs right there). When making this video, I tested it by making a dupe called Ellie eat mushbar covered with 78,000 slimelung germs. Though she was covered with slimelung as a result, the germs did not enter her biological system. So food contaminated with slimelung is actually ok to eat (surprised me too). BUT, yes, as I said at the end of my video it is still a terrible idea to let contaminated dupes run around. For example, if a dupe covered in slimelung deliver algae to oxygen diffuser, hell breaks loose. What I wanted to give through that 'germ safe' tip was better understanding of how slimelung and food poisoning germ mechanics work, not message "hey, it's alright to have few outbreaks here and there". Still, if that's what you thought, that is my fault for poor delivery. 6 hours ago, Craigjw said: Good video all in all. Ah, thank you so much. This is my first video on oxygen not included, and it's nice to hear that. Your comments before, though I object some of them, are also valuable (guess I have to improve my ways on how to deliver context). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 "deodorizers waste resources"? "desperate enough to use terrariums"? You really should play the game more before giving advise, First off deodorizers only use sand and that's easier to come by than water or algae. It also produces clay which is needed for ceramics Second when used properly with deodorizers, the terrariums are more effective oxygen producers than the diffuses or electrolyzers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBucket Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 44 minutes ago, Neotuck said: "deodorizers waste resources"? If used unnecessarily, it is a waste of resource 44 minutes ago, Neotuck said: "desperate enough to use terrariums"? yeah, that was more of a personal opinion. Should not have done that on objective tip video 1 hour ago, Neotuck said: You really should play the game more before giving advise, they're not really my advise (as I clearly said on video,) I too got these from someone else, found them quite helpful so I just put them together. people have different playing styles I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, JamesBucket said: If used unnecessarily, it is a waste of resource That reasoning could apply to any building, not just deodorizers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Terrariums drop bottles of polluted water, these off-gas Polluted O2, the PO2 can be converted to clean O2 by the deoderizer, hence, deoderizers make terrariums more efficient, plus you get clay. Sand is effectively unlimited, as you can make igneous from melting regolith, which can be ground down to sand at the crusher. Algae is not really unlimited, as it's difficult to make, as puft farms aren't effective at making algae, as it is as easy to make sand. Germs get on the dupes hands, these hands are not cleaned 100% by sinks, these remaining germs then get passed to equipment and food stuffs in the kitchen. food gets contaminated by germs, dupes get food poisoning. Perhaps I should use effective over the use of efficient? Meh, same difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I think the point is that PO2 is breathable, so Deoderizers eat 10% of oxygen for nothing, when looking at it just for oxygen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Dupes get stressed by breathing PO2, for that 10% cost, the benefits of using deoderizers out weigh the benefits of having your dupes breathe in the PO2, in most cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, Craigjw said: Sand is effectively unlimited, as you can make igneous from melting regolith, which can be ground down to sand at the crusher. Algae is not really unlimited, as it's difficult to make, as puft farms aren't effective at making algae, as it is as easy to make sand. You can use regolith in deodorizers so why take the extra steps to turn it into sand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Good point, I was thinking of something else that only uses sand. Sand is still effectively unlimited, whether you have access to regolith or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 the only thing that uses sand only (as far as I know) is the glass forge but why would we need unlimited glass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, Craigjw said: Dupes get stressed by breathing PO2, for that 10% cost, the benefits of using deoderizers out weigh the benefits of having your dupes breathe in the PO2, in most cases. Is this new? Never seen dupe's stress go up because of PO2 before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Grimgaw said: Is this new? Never seen dupe's stress go up because of PO2 before. nope, stress doesn't change regardless if breathing PO2 or O2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 It should be a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Craigjw said: It should be a thing. agree but it isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishoutofwater Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 @JamesBucketfinally you play ONI, I really like your DS/DST "bet didn't know" video, great work. Anyway good guide and good video, like it. Looking forward for another ONI content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBucket Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Craigjw said: Terrariums drop bottles of polluted water, these off-gas Polluted O2, the PO2 can be converted to clean O2 by the deoderizer, hence, deoderizers make terrariums more efficient, plus you get clay. The amount of breathable gas does not increase. I think the better word here is 'safe' than 'efficient' 7 hours ago, Craigjw said: Germs get on the dupes hands, these hands are not cleaned 100% by sinks Yes they are, since dupes stay on the sink as long as their body is covered with germ 7 hours ago, Craigjw said: Dupes get stressed by breathing PO2, for that 10% cost, the benefits of using deoderizers out weigh the benefits of having your dupes breathe in the PO2, in most cases. No they don't? I checked wikis and other pages, and they do not say anything about PO2 causing stress. Is this new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 52 minutes ago, JamesBucket said: Yes they are, since dupes stay on the sink as long as their body is covered with germ That`s true most of the time. But when a dupe has an insane amount of germs, like if he was touching slime it leaves some on him. Not that slimelung on the dupe is a problem. Also i think that the time they wash is always the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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