Venterioz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Hello people, I've just read about a message about AFK Streams and I have some questions: Do replays or highlights moments of DST gameplay on Stream count as AFK Stream or not? Thanks for the answer. (P.s. I'm not a streamer, just interested) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generubi Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 They count as a AFK stream... i've just been 1 hour in a replay of forge of a russian dude and get nothing and and went to a volx stream and got one of three drops Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1139264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakhnish Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Generubi said: They count as a AFK stream... i've just been 1 hour in a replay of forge of a russian dude and get nothing I beg to differ, as that channel has the drops enabled message underneath the stream during those AFK streams so unless its being temporarily disabled during those sessions and I'm just not seeing it/ am missing it, then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Though that'd be weird since that channel has been doing this for like a month+ now, so yea. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1139299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venterioz Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Generubi said: They count as a AFK stream... i've just been 1 hour in a replay of forge of a russian dude and get nothing and and went to a volx stream and got one of three drops I don't know, but I was on "AFK-kind" Stream (Replayed old but funny DST playing moments) and I've got all three drops. Drops still not disabled, maybe it means that replays/highlights are not AFK streams because they also show any kind of Don't Starve content. Thanks all again for the answer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1139408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel86268 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 First of all AFK streams are online streams that don't show actual playing content with the only purporse of idling skins. Replays are on demand videos that aren't affected by the Skin drop system from the beginning, because they are not live streams. Therefore on demand videos are NOT AFK streams, but they still don't drop skins. (Same with Highlights) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1139512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakhnish Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Daniel86268 said: First of all AFK streams are online streams that don't show actual playing content with the only purporse of idling skins. What you've described is unfortunately one of the two types of AFK streamers. The first type of AFK streamer is the kind that you've described; just simply sit there and AFK. It's very obvious that they are AFK (especially if you check their VODs), but their streams will only have their drops removed if and only if someone reports them (unless I just miss the ones that do get removed, then I do apologize for that). The second type of AFK streamer makes use of a "loophole" to the second half of your comment about replays and highlights. As you've correctly stated, replays and highlights don't drops skins if and only if you use twitch feature of replays and highlights. This is where these streamers get smart. What if you can have the drops enabled on replays and highlights, hmmmmm? The answer is quite simply, yes, it is entirely possible to replay your old content while having drops enabled. Here's how you do it. First off, you need some footage to keep replaying. Doesn't matter what kind. It can be footage of you playing this latest Forge, footage of you then opening those chests, and then footage of you playing some regular DST. It could even be footage from literally before the Forge, evident by the fact that when said streamer is starting the world, the old UI of the main menu is being shown (I'm talking about the UI from before the very first Forge over a year ago now). Maybe even gameplay footage from YouTube, but I digress. Now that you've got that footage, all you is some streaming software, like OBS or Streamlabs, have the game you're streaming set to be DST or DS, hit the start streaming button, and then quite simply stream your old footage for literally 24-48 hours back-to-back. What twitch checks is if you're live and have game category set to DS/T, not if you're actually playing the game. Its how some people stream movies to twitch, which is another issue on its own. It's best if you don't stream in English to maximize visibility to viewers whilst minimizing attention to the devs. Congratulations, you are now streaming replays and highlights whilst having drops enabled. While you're at it, might as well (presumably) make a lot of money or even better, do some major skin giveaways via a wheel and rarity system with some point system I don't quite understand, or even better, probably get some major skin trading done, evident by the fact that the description has a link to initiate a steam trade. Do this for a month+ now, and enjoy the massive following you've gained and probably the new source of revenue and skins you've probably gotten. In the event that you do get reported, don't worry, this policy is a second chances policy, meaning your drops will be removed as a warning, and if you properly stream and don't AFK again, well then you're fine. That seems to be effective and limits AFKers, which I see as a positive and constructive policy, but only if someone reports them. I have yet to see what happens to an individual that breaks this policy and goes back to being an AFKer, where one such streamer is doing (more on this in the parenthesis below). However, what if you're never reported? How do you deal with a case where this has been going on for a month+ now? Will it be acknowledged that everything they've gained in the meantime will simply be swept under the rug if they stop AFKing? Is that fair to streamers who have been legitimacy streaming this game for several months now, some a few years even and have benefited from this program while playing by the rules? What about streamers trying to get partnership on twitch from steaming DS/T? How are the presence of these AFKers affecting them? (I say these because there are currently more than just one AFK streamer currently LIVE on twitch at the time of me writing this, though that other one is back to employing their old method of just simply sitting there AFKing for long sessions and have some small segments of gameplay in between, *cough* Chinese *cough*.) The reason I've publicly gone into such great detail on this is because this program does help such long time and newer streamers that provide quality content on twitch gain a following on twitch whilst being a nice thing for the community. But its pointless if this policy is truly one based on community policing. The incentives for viewers to not watch AFK streams are not simply there because quite frankly, viewers are watching such massively popular AFK streams for the skins. AFK streamers are gonna AFK for the benefits it brings to them, evident by the smaller AFK streams that are set up, hoping to get lucky. It'll only be from the small amount of individuals that brings up issues like this to the forums because they place value in positively contributing and being a member of this community and its what I truly believe that the people at Klei also value. I brought this issue of AFK streamers up during the first campaign, which was well before I started streaming myself oh so recently. That's why you're not gonna hear anymore on AFkers from me as I view it as being inappropriate and a conflict of interest, in case someone tries to go that route. Thanks for reading. @JoeW @PeterA P.S. This is Klei's policy about AFK Streamers, which I just recently saw at the end of typing this for several hours, and am very happy to see. However, it does not address the AFK loophole that I just brought up, as well as the several other issues I've brought up. Spoiler Note about AFK Streams Last Updated: Dec 23, 2018 01:57PM PST Twitch drops are intended to be a way to support Twitch streamers that provide quality content for our community, and AFK streams disrupt the effectiveness of the system. AFK streams or streams showing content other than Don’t Starve or Don’t Starve Together are not allowed. Streamers breaking these rules will be unlinked and potentially banned from participating in the Klei Twitch Drops program.Please note that if you are watching an AFK stream - it is very possible that they will be unlinked while you are watching and that time will not be counted. Edit: THE TOP TWO DST STREAMERS ARE AFKERS. This is no different from my first post when the program started, the first being the AFKer doing it for a month, and the second being the reoffender. I'm officially disappointed, especially since I've tried my best being a proponent for this drop program. 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Starlogy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I will say that I have had my fair share of people finding me from drops, and end up really enjoying my content. I believe that people will do what they want, some people may want to actually see someone playing, while others might just want the drops period. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1139697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 hours ago, lakhnish said: Edit: THE TOP TWO DST STREAMERS ARE AFKERS. This is no different from my first post when the program started, the first being the AFKer doing it for a month, and the second being the reoffender. I'm officially disappointed, especially since I've tried my best being a proponent for this drop program. Thanks for giving me the heads up. I'm not a dev but if I'm trying to get a drop, I'll check way more official streamers. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1139742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venterioz Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 13 hours ago, lakhnish said: the first being the AFKer doing it for a month, and the second being the reoffender. I'm officially disappointed, especially since I've tried my best being a proponent for this drop program. Thanks for this detailed answer, you're the best. But I still think that they should allow replays, I've seen so many replays and I think they may be useful via showing something new, some kind of guides or funny things. At least this is WAY BETTER than see that there's a stream where streamer AFK in Main Menu couple of hours on Top1 in world with drops enabled. (Found a stream where's 90% of 40 hours stream were AFKing in Menu, it's terrible that it still has drops enabled, it seems like nothing happens aganist this) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1139829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 There is no notification on a stream when drops get disabled for that channel. So if you go into a stream and it gets disabled, you're going to end up wasting time. I have been sending out emails to those that we disable and letting them know they are going to end up being banned from using it. We'll see. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1139849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllFunNGamez Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 At first when drops got enabled there was a huge surge in AFK streams and they all dissipated shortly after. They realized they would be banned from twitch and or DST for doing so. It seems now there is maybe a handful left but the problem is now is that they are actively leaving the streams up 24/7 which means endless drops and never losing those viewers. At first I thought this was a violation of twitch's TOS but as it turns out you are able to stream 24/7. However I hope that maybe Klei can shine some new light on it and if they are being warned about what they are doing then maybe they will realize it is taking away from those who are actually putting time and effort into their streams instead of cheating the system. I understand that people say if people want to watch a stream they will go to a stream with content, if they want to watch a stream for the drops they do not care which stream they go to. The problem with that statement is that if you are new to twitch and you go to a channel and you see AFK stream get your items here for watching you might assume that "This is what twitch is about" get your skin and leave. I feel like this might hurt the chances of those new viewers who could of found an actual stream that they would of loved. I am speaking for myself and for other streamers who are working to build their channel and get recognition for it. Overall this drop system is amazing aside from the AFK streams and the endless 24/7 streams Klei has done so much for their community and its sad that certain people feel the need to take advantage of it. However I hope that soon they will either stop what they are doing or get banned for it because at some point action needs to be taken. Also Joe can we get a little sneak peek as to what is getting updated on DST Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1139958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyno Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 https://clips.twitch.tv/BigSlickStarKreygasm Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1140557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllFunNGamez Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Kynoox_ said: https://clips.twitch.tv/BigSlickStarKreygasm Yep. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101406-replayshighlights-are-afk-streams/#findComment-1140583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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