PickPay Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Is anyone else experiencing lazy Dupes ? I have some jobs set at priority 9 that everyone can do yet they are idle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunkerM Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 They can be idle, if work "unreachable". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Jobs like which? Often times 'lazy' dupes can't reach what you want them to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argelle Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Yes I do, but it's a tile in a middle of a block, they refuse to deconstruct it: (edit: their leader is a noob ) no mention of inaccessible, seems two tiles away for me. EDIT: silly me I should have taken out one corner of the cube to let access to the center!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Well it's out of their reach in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argelle Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Yes, I litterally realized it a second ago, to my defence it's NOT displayed in info as unreachable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curo Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 5 hours ago, PickPay said: Is anyone else experiencing lazy Dupes ? I have some jobs set at priority 9 that everyone can do yet they are idle... Link a picture and we'll tell you what you did wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKBKirin Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 5 hours ago, Argelle said: Yes I do, but it's a tile in a middle of a block, they refuse to deconstruct it: (edit: their leader is a noob ) EDIT: silly me I should have taken out one corner of the cube to let access to the center!! lol I think we've all been there Out of curiosity, why were you building a block of tiles with an empty center? For aesthetics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehMugwump Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 ONI: Where everything is priority 9, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PickPay Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 Please tell me what I'm doing wrong : Edit : It's hard to show with a screenshot a video would be better. They will eventually get the job done but it ridiculously inefficient : I even have Granite in the nearby Storage yet the game sends 1 Dupe from the base to drop off Granite he returns to the base, then 1min later another one comes to build half of that piece of Ladder he returns to the base, then yet another comes from the base with more Granite drops it off, walks around and idles etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzgzd Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 52 minutes ago, PickPay said: Please tell me what I'm doing wrong Lock one or two dupes out of the base to do remote jobs effectively. Just one locked door and dupes in base will not get assigned those far away build jobs and also designated dupes will not be distracted by things in base (like toilet, shower, eating or going to bed). After 2 days working like crazy and stress going to 50% let them in and put them on massage so they forget what happened last 2 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PickPay Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 minute ago, bzgzd said: Lock one or two dupes out of the base to do remote jobs effectively. Just one locked door and dupes in base will not get assigned those far away build jobs and also designated dupes will not be distracted by things in base (like toilet, shower, eating or going to bed). After 2 days working like crazy and stress going to 50% let them in and put them on massage so they forget what happened last 2 days Nice workaround thank you, it does make sense but it feels wrong. I think the internal A.I. especially the task completion needs some serious optimization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzgzd Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, PickPay said: Nice workaround thank you, it does make sense but it feels wrong. I think the internal A.I. especially the task completion needs some serious optimization. High priority does not mean dupes will communicate with each other and decide who could do it fastest (because is closest or because will be ready soon and is closer or so on ... would much more processing). First dupe that finish his task or is idle just looks around and sees there is some high priority job and takes it even if it is on other side of the map. If job is taken already by someone going to do it, even from very very far no other dupe will "retake" it. Also when some dupe takes job that needs some material he is not looking for closest material to target location but closest to him at the moment he "reserves" that job for him. Additionally bio breaks, eating and so on... by using access doors or just locked doors much higher effectiveness can be achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PickPay Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, bzgzd said: ... If job is taken already by someone going to do it, even from very very far no other dupe will "retake" it. ... Ok so I'm guessing when he's done the next step is already assigned to someone else hence he idles and/or goes back to base... So 1 project is gonna be done by 10 different Dupes, one after the other ? It couldn't get any worse honestly. It wasn't that bad at the beginning ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzgzd Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, PickPay said: Ok so I'm guessing when he's done the next step is already assigned to someone else hence he idles and/or goes back to base... So 1 project is gonna be done by 10 different Dupes, one after the other ? It couldn't get any worse honestly. It wasn't that bad at the beginning ! Yes. But with access doors you don't need to really lock someone out of base. Just limit access to working area to one or two dupes and it means only they will do it and they will stop work just for higher priority tasks like eating or toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PickPay Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 Just now, bzgzd said: Yes. But with access doors you don't need to really lock someone out of base. Just limit access to working area to one or two dupes and it means only they will do it and they will stop work just for higher priority tasks like eating or toilet. Ok I'll have to experiment with that, thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Wish we had prioritization shortcuts. When you press priority and 7 it would mark stuff as priority 7. That'd be very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyimin Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 13 hours ago, PickPay said: I'll have to experiment with that, thanks again I'll have to do the same, as I've been having that problem as well. But here's my issue with it as a permanent solution. I shouldn't have to use 120W power on doors just so dupes can manage to get jobs done in any sensible manner. I find the whole jobs/tasks/priorities system one of the most frustrating parts of the game. Best example I have of why things are so inefficient is the "delivery" category. Almost everything in the game requires delivery, which means you can't specialize the way you should be able to. If a builder dupe doesn't have delivery enabled, then the dupe has to stand around waiting for some other dupe to come bring supplies -- even if the damn resource is under their feet! But if the dupe does have delivery enabled, then the second some high-priority terrarium or air filter somewhere needs more sand, algae, or water, the dupe runs off from building to go do that. If your project is far away from home, your dupes spend more time running all over creation than getting any freakin' work done. My builder should be able to do/get what needs doing/getting to build. I should be able to give someone the job of handling food-related tasks, like harvesting, putting the food away, and replanting seeds/fertilizing. It should be relatively simple to have my miners dig and then put the materials away. I should be able to make some dupes power-generation types, where they hamster or are responsible for refilling coal generators. And my scientist shouldn't have to stand around waiting for water and dirt or else be running around doing 1,000 other things because I had to assign her ... DELIVERY lmao. I beg of the devs to give us a slightly more sensible way to manage our dupes. There's micromanagement as a fun thing, and then there's micromanagement as an annoying, game-halting, frustrating thing. The current system tends toward the latter IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argelle Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 20 hours ago, RKBKirin said: Out of curiosity, why were you building a block of tiles with an empty center? For aesthetics? Nope, I've got the trait "uncultured" so no œuvre d'art for me That was my very first attempt to build a vaccum room! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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