thimble reed The Price of Thimble Reed Fiber Farming

[SakuraKoi]

Simply put, Thimble Reed Fiber is very expensive, primarily due to using old values (when Drecko where not even in existence) which did not take into account that more than just clothes are made. At this point I can not help but wonder how many actually have Thimble Reed farms and instead use wild one or simply Drecko which sure should serve as alternative but are rather the only viable option..

Technicalities:

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160 kg of Polluted Water per cycles, 320 kg per Unit, perhaps only 160 kg if done with Farmer's touch. The price of an insulated piece is 20 times of that (5 Reed Fiber per 100 kg of Insulator), meaning 3,2 or 6,4 tons/tiles of polluted water. 1 unit every 2 or every cycle, at least that's quick.

But on the contrary there are Dreckos, 2 units every 8 cycles i.e 1 ever 4 cycles. That sure is slower and they can not be farmed en masse as easily, a piece of insulated building basically takes 80 cycles per Drecko, at best.

By no means should perfect insulation to be acquired easily, the choice to remove Abyssalite as material sure was right, however while one can amass Reed Fiber over time and wild one grows and serves well to built clothing without problem, domestication is just odd and relies on old values.

For reference, the average polluted water vent, only one which needs no treatment (besides Duplicants washing their little hands) can supply 9-12 Thimble Reed plants while the same can supply 40-54 Pincha Pepper plants. Apart from being the worst to feed to Drecko, it seems still much more polluted water efficient without even considering that one does not have to tame/groom them, cutting their metabolism to 25% and having them only need to be "harvested".

I ain't even gonna mention how it's pretty darn unrealistic how fiber takes more resources to grow than produce. Tbh I'd be talking out of my behind at this point. 

 

My personal suggestion is to quarter the price at least and add another cycle for growth, basically ending up at 60-120 kg of water per unit, 1,2-2,4 t for a proper tile/pipe (still quite a lot if ya ask me). This also slows down the wild production a bit (4 more cycles) but all I really ask for is to make the price (much) more reasonable. 

 

[Gwido]

Why not.

But, as you said yourself, Drecko is quite better to get fibers.

On the other hand, once you've wave all needed atmosuits, and give a snazzy suit to all of your duplicants, does it really matter to grow thimble reeds ?

 

I'm one of those simply gather fibers laid on the ground by wild reeds.

 

Also note that it's a plant that have a very short time to grow. This requires something to balance.

 

So the team reduice the cost to grow thimble reeds, it should be a bit longer to grow. And also, the values of needed fibers to wave an atmosuit should be increased.

[Alfons100]

4 hours ago, Gwido said:

Why not.

But, as you said yourself, Drecko is quite better to get fibers.

On the other hand, once you've wave all needed atmosuits, and give a snazzy suit to all of your duplicants, does it really matter to grow thimble reeds ?

 

I'm one of those simply gather fibers laid on the ground by wild reeds.

 

Also note that it's a plant that have a very short time to grow. This requires something to balance.

 

So the team reduice the cost to grow thimble reeds, it should be a bit longer to grow. And also, the values of needed fibers to wave an atmosuit should be increased.

Insulation needs a whole bunch of them.

[xSil3ntd34thx]

In my opinion the price should stay the same, because if you find a polluted water geyser and have no where to put the polluted water and your base just gets flooded, why not just waste it on timble reed.

Well thats atleast what i am doing ... idk what situation you meant

[Coolthulhu]

Phosphorus sink

Reeds should sink tons of phosphorus, but negligible to zero water.

We have hundreds of tons of phosphorite on mapgen, but the only three usages are peppers, fertilizer and shinebugs, all of which consume minuscule amounts.

[crypticorb]

Personally, I've never once found a need to farm reed fibers, either with dreckos or thimble reeds.

This is because I approach all new biomes with a conservative mindset, attempting to keep all sleet wheat, thimble reeds, and pepper plants intact wherever possible. Thimble reeds provide wild grown fiber so readily that there is zero need to farm them, and I always have a massive stockpile of them.

I haven't built much insulated tiles yet, but if I'm seeing the recipe correctly, I should have enough for at least 50 insulated tiles, or 50 sections of insulated pipes, purely from the wild reed fibers and rare wild drecko shearing.

[anton_stezhkin]

because Dreckos rule!