Aronia Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Cools heated oil from a metal refinery with a steam turbine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_D Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 What's the overheat temperature of the Metal Refinery ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aronia Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Alex_D said: What's the overheat temperature of the Metal Refinery ? The basic overheating temperature of a metal refinery is 75℃ and can be increased to 275℃ depending on the material. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Aronia said: The basic overheating temperature of a metal refinery is 75℃ and can be increased to 275℃ depending on the material. Or 2000 with abyssalite Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aronia Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, Carnis said: Or 2000 with abyssalite abyssalite has been changed from overheating temperature bonus 2000℃ to 200℃. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 here we go! i always said steam turbine is cooling tool in the first place Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevio Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 How does this work? There is no pressure gradient in that steam turbine room. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aronia Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Sevio said: How does this work? There is no pressure gradient in that steam turbine room. Oxygen on the top of the steam turbine pushes the steam down. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevio Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Interesting, so all these steam turbine builds using door compressors or the more recent infinite waterfall exploits to recirculate the steam are entirely unnecessary... Just a little bit of oxygen in the room will do it for you! Add heat, get power. Simple and elegant. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le0n1des Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sevio said: Interesting, so all these steam turbine builds using door compressors or the more recent infinite waterfall exploits to recirculate the steam are entirely unnecessary... Just a little bit of oxygen in the room will do it for you! Add heat, get power. Simple and elegant. As far as I understand, the "some other gas in steam chamber" approach will gradually eat steam, whereas the various compression methods - preserve it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sevio said: Interesting, so all these steam turbine builds using door compressors or the more recent infinite waterfall exploits to recirculate the steam are entirely unnecessary... Just a little bit of oxygen in the room will do it for you! Add heat, get power. Simple and elegant. While true, you will, apparently, delete Steam over time. Some sort of weird interaction occurs if other gases are present while the Steam Turbine is running. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I wont lie, I find this one quite amusing and brilliantly devised Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aronia Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said: While true, you will, apparently, delete Steam over time. Some sort of weird interaction occurs if other gases are present while the Steam Turbine is running. My experience is that if you build a tile right above the steam turbine, or if there is a gas that is not oxygen and steam, the steam begins to slowly disappear. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevio Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 So there has to be one tile space above the turbine to avoid gas destruction, and I'm guessing the second part of your sentence means that you have to limit it to 2 gases in the room (either oxygen or hydrogen) + steam and not allow a pocket of a third gas there? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aronia Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Sevio said: So there has to be one tile space above the turbine to avoid gas destruction, and I'm guessing the second part of your sentence means that you have to limit it to 2 gases in the room (either oxygen or hydrogen) + steam and not allow a pocket of a third gas there? That's right. There should not be a third gas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Sevio said: Interesting, so all these steam turbine builds using door compressors or the more recent infinite waterfall exploits to recirculate the steam are entirely unnecessary... Just a little bit of oxygen in the room will do it for you! Add heat, get power. Simple and elegant. BUT, steam turbine destroys a lot of steam if there is another gas. so you need water source Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Aronia said: abyssalite has been changed from overheating temperature bonus 2000℃ to 200℃. Whyyyyy? Whyyyyy? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, cpy said: Whyyyyy? Whyyyyy? Balance, in all things... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said: Balance, in all things... Cant we all get some wolframite/carbon alloy +500C at least? Tungsten carbide is approximately twice as strong as steel, with a Young's modulus of approximately 530–700 GPa Melting point 2,785–2,830 °C Oxidation of WC starts at 500–600 °C + acid resistant. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1053970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevio Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I suspect what's holding Klei back from letting us go to really high temperatures with machines is two things: 1) Risk of infinite steam power loop by heating steam and running it through the steam turbine. The increase to the required steam temp for the turbine must have been aimed at preventing this with the aquatuner/tepidizer. 2) Leaving the team room to add other content more suited for it than heat pumps and a water boiler. We have a lot of flammable substances that don't actually carry any fire risk and can't be used to reach high temperatures in a controlled manner. Although that idea does leave me to wonder why they added a metal refinery that doesn't run on burnable fuel instead of making it part of a combustion update. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1054011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevio Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 So here's my attempt at using this for a magma powered steam turbine with only one input port using the above concept. Pressures are pretty high ranging from 8-9 kg at the input port to 17 kg above the steam turbine. The room was pressurized with 2 kg oxygen before I started inputting water. These high pressures are needed to keep the single input port pressurized enough, otherwise the steam turbine will run intermittently. The petroleum is there as a heat buffer to avoid temperatures spiking too high when the magma chamber transfers heat but it isn't strictly necessary. Warning while starting this up: It will take a while for the steam to push the oxygen all the way to the top of the room, during which time the turbine won't run or only run intermittently. There doesn't seem to be a significant steam loss as there hasn't been any need to add water for about 20 cycles now. Atmo sensor: Below 10000 g Thermo sensor: Above 235 C If anyone wants the save file to poke around, just ask. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1054112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sevio said: The petroleum is there as a heat buffer to avoid temperatures spiking too high when the magma chamber transfers heat but it isn't strictly necessary. Huh. That's a nifty idea. I had difficulties stabilizing my last turbine build, so I'll give this a shot. Nice idea. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1054117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyMonroe Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Sevio said: Interesting, so all these steam turbine builds using door compressors or the more recent infinite waterfall exploits to recirculate the steam are entirely unnecessary... Just a little bit of oxygen in the room will do it for you! Add heat, get power. Simple and elegant. Using small gas pockets on top of the turbine in this manner causes steam to be deleted over time. This setup has been known about for a long time, but there is a reason it doesn't get used. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1054202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfALegend Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, JonnyMonroe said: Using small gas pockets on top of the turbine in this manner causes steam to be deleted over time. This setup has been known about for a long time, but there is a reason it doesn't get used. eventually once we can get a more sustainable source of raw metals, this could change Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1054234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevio Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 @JonnyMonroe, @ShadowOfALegend: Not saying there couldn't be a gas destruction bug still creeping around but that build I posted above has been stable for 20 cycles without needing extra steam, so if there is any gas destruction it's very insignificant. The gas pressure at the atmo switch was hovering at around 16 kg when I got the pressure high enough for it to run stable during stress testing and it has stayed there ever since. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92398-metal-refinery-and-steam-turbine/#findComment-1054282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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