Argelle Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Hello ! With the new mechanical filter (here) it is now very easy to separate multiple liquids or gas. Easy, cheap, fast and power saving. But I end up with a problem at the end of the line. Here with this oxygen generator, O² is not the issue, I let it flow, and if overpressure I just let it leak further away. As for hydrogen, it will accumulate, block the junction, and H² will go the wrong pipe. I've tryed a loop.. it's just tremporary before it fills up as well. I could build a room to store the excess, but then it will need to be pumped again at some point (at a cost of an extra 240 W pump). I made some experiment with automation, but fail to differenciate between detect gas accumulating in a pipe and gas just passing through. Any solution you did come with? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 If i understood you right its simple. Build a second hydrogen generator. And power some more stuff with it. Edit. Try to find the sweet spot. Use smart batteries Cheers Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Argelle said: I've tryed a loop.. it's just tremporary before it fills up as well. I could build a room to store the excess, but then it will need to be pumped again at some point (at a cost of an extra 240 W pump). I made some experiment with automation, but fail to differenciate between detect gas accumulating in a pipe and gas just passing through. Any solution you did come with? Store excess in a room / install gas shutoff and create a small room for the pump, seperated by door. Install gas sensor on support pipe and connect it with a not gate to the pump / door and without not gate (pure) to the shutoff.. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argelle Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 thanks @Yoma_Nosme That was my strategy with natural gas. I come up with a very nice geyser (120 g/s; 72 kg/cycle) that would accomodate at least 1 nat gas generator. But... The generator is obviously underused, so the geyser room (300 titles) filled to 5kg/tile, the pipes filled up. So I buid a second one. And A third. It's now my 4th generator, still too much gas What I was thinking was a way to test that a pipe is full (but make the difference with gas just passing through). See my idea in picture: if test (at yellow position) is 0 = gas not accumalating => no action if test is 1 = pipe full => open a derivation ? (to a second H² generator as you suggest). EDIT: @Oozinator Instead of testing inside the pipe (picture above), you suggest to test the initial room for gas, and... the not gate will... err... I do not quite understand... do you have a screenshot from your base to illustrate? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Yeah doodle time. So instead of a "tester" you can use a pipe bridge. The bridge gets filled first. when it's full the branch before the bridge gets it's filling On oozinators idea. I use a similar setup. But I use door compressor... idk if you like compressors. Anyway. Since the h2 is not getting used it's quite a good idea to store it no matter if you need a pump you have excess power Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, Argelle said: EDIT: @Oozinator I do not quite understand... do you have a screenshot from your base to illustrate? Something like that Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argelle Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 @Yoma_Nosme Nice, so it's the same with bridge as for shut-off pump (filter)? When filter is ON it has priority, so here when bridge is empty it has priority? I would have say that the gas (or liquid) would be split at the junction, my intuition is wrong. I'll give it a go, it seems so simple @Oozinator That looks clever, I'll need time to process... if no gas at detector => signal OFF -> not gate -> pump on = please a refill ? if gas (passing through or stuck) => signal ON -> pump off So, basicely, you have a reserve, storing excess and giving back gas if penurie ? nice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just branch of right at the bridge inlet (white) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Argelle said: I'll give it a go, it seems so simple Here is it in action (not debug, like the last) and the example is with a door (not gate), added later to the room. Feeding two NG geysers into and basefilter gas stuff(exosuits are for pussys!) Edit/ lol had to unpause for action ^^ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Oozinator said: If you're trying to over-pressurize the vents in your hydrogen storage room, try something like this: Spoiler Basically I put one airflow tile down and fill the space with water until it overflows. Mop up the excess from the floor to the right of the airflow tile until it stops spilling down. Build your second airflow tile and you're good to go. If you mop from the top of the airflow tile, you'll remove too much water from the vent side, so only mop up the floor. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, KittenIsAGeek said: If you're trying to over-pressurize the vents in your hydrogen storage room, try something like this: Ty, i know it, but i am used to the other thing. With cu update, try high pressure of two liquids to an airtile.. I don't trust airtiles in rooms, where i not want access Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Maybe something like this can help you Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argelle Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 What's the loop for, @R9MX4? If vent overpressure, pipes fill up anyway, no? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulwind Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 If you loop it and have element limited outputs, then eventually the loop will fill and all output will stop, but at least it won't let the wrong element into each output when one of the outputs gets backed up Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Argelle said: What's the loop for, @R9MX4? If vent overpressure, pipes fill up anyway, no? At least, it can prevent your Hydrogen go to wrong vent, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argelle Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 Thanks to all, I can hardely keep up to implement all of this! The first ideas (credit @Yoma_Nosme ) work very well and it will let me time to implement the rest ( @Oozinator reserve chamber, @R9MX4 loop, ..) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92366-idea-of-storage-at-the-end-of-the-line/#findComment-1053551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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