[cosmic] Mech airlock doors

[chemie]

I like they are now powered....but.  Shouldn't they be able to be powered with heavy watt wires?  Why do I need to run two wattage's of wires to the door?

(Meaning if I have heavy watt there, why can't I power it the doors that way). 

I often run heavy wires exclusively outside the base so I need to be able to power doors with those wires too....

[PhailRaptor]

If memory serves, you can build Doors over Heavy-Watt, but you can't build Heavy-Watt over Doors.  Because Doors are categorized the same way as Tiles, and Heavy-Watt cannot be built through solid objects.

[chemie]

5 hours ago, PhailRaptor said:

If memory serves, you can build Doors over Heavy-Watt, but you can't build Heavy-Watt over Doors.  Because Doors are categorized the same way as Tiles, and Heavy-Watt cannot be built through solid objects.

They fixed that a while ago. I tried both ways

[BlueLance]

I am glad that doors now require energy, but I think they will still be used for compression systems

[chemie]

2 hours ago, BlueLance said:

I am glad that doors now require energy, but I think they will still be used for compression systems

I just want to use as as doors.

I can't see why doors should be the ONLY thing that can't be powered by heavy watt wire.

[BlueLance]

Fair point

[Gravityx]

17 minutes ago, chemie said:

I just want to use as as doors.

I can't see why doors should be the ONLY thing that can't be powered by heavy watt wire.

Well if heavy watt can power doors, then what would be the point of the heavywatt joint plate? I mean you can argue they are the only thing not able to be powered by heavy watt, but they are also the only powered object that blocks gas/liquid flow. You could make a vacuum anyways with 2 joint plates, but if they changed it, it'd be even easier with doors.

 

[chemie]

18 minutes ago, Gravityx said:

Well if heavy watt can power doors, then what would be the point of the heavywatt joint plate? I mean you can argue they are the only thing not able to be powered by heavy watt, but they are also the only powered object that blocks gas/liquid flow. You could make a vacuum anyways with 2 joint plates, but if they changed it, it'd be even easier with doors.

 

Joint plate is more for walls vs doors but i would be fine with a door that touches a joint plate getting powered from that.

[PhailRaptor]

9 hours ago, BlueLance said:

I am glad that doors now require energy, but I think they will still be used for compression systems

Power isn't required for the door to function.  They just work faster while powered, as the tooltip has claimed since forever.

[Sevio]

It's good they use power now but the 120 W still makes me really want to avoid putting the doors on any of my circuits if the faster opening isn't critical. If they gave the door a small energy buffer they could drastically lower the power draw from the circuit during refills while still using roughly the same amount of energy for each open/close.

Either that, or make the heat generated by transformers dependent on the energy flow through them so we can afford to have more circuits without unnecessarily heating our base.

[SkunkMaster]

On 7/6/2018 at 3:09 PM, Sevio said:

Either that, or make the heat generated by transformers dependent on the energy flow through them so we can afford to have more circuits without unnecessarily heating our base.

Well, since transformers now have automation ports, what's to keep you from making a battery loop with automation ? once battery is empty, turn on transformer, once battery full, turn it of again. easy

even add some automation to make sure not to many transformers are on simultaneously. 

[Lilalaunekuh]

Don´t automate the power transformer, or you will loose the stored energy each time you disable it !

Build a power shutoff before the power transformer and use the old way of diabling the power transformer.

(Thought the automation port on the power transformer would be something usefull but in the current state power shutoffs are still superior)

[Sevio]

2 hours ago, SkunkMaster said:

Well, since transformers now have automation ports, what's to keep you from making a battery loop with automation ? once battery is empty, turn on transformer, once battery full, turn it of again. easy

even add some automation to make sure not to many transformers are on simultaneously. 

That's an interesting idea, though it will take a bunch of extra space and reworking my maintenance tunnel, it seems worth giving a try...

Edit: Should be noted though that adding a battery on the circuit itself adds more passive energy drain to the whole network as well as another 2.5 W of heat, while not contributing to the buffer you need on the backbone for your generators.

[chemie]

On 6/7/2018 at 9:09 AM, Sevio said:

It's good they use power now but the 120 W still makes me really want to avoid putting the doors on any of my circuits if the faster opening isn't critical. If they gave the door a small energy buffer they could drastically lower the power draw from the circuit during refills while still using roughly the same amount of energy for each open/close.

Either that, or make the heat generated by transformers dependent on the energy flow through them so we can afford to have more circuits without unnecessarily heating our base.

Yah, I will eliminate the doors and go to water locks.  Typically, I had the 4 doors and entrance.exit to base and for my fertilizer room (now also eliminated) and power gen rooms (less important now less CO2 generated).  A simple water lock is still 100% gas block and no power.  I does cost a bit of dup time as they get slowed down going in/out of the dip but I like low power designs so this is it now.  

[Sevio]

I know how effective water locks are, but it still feels cheesy to me to use them... I tried to make an airlock that could separate a vacuum chamber from a normal pressure area based on doors and air pumps but it felt like a convoluted solution. Maybe there is a simpler way to build it than I did though...

[Carnis]

Anybody have info on powered Doorpumps? What is the energy consumption in a standard 3 door open, open, open, close, close, close?

Is it 360 to open or 720 to open & close? When do they draw Power now?

[Lilalaunekuh]

You need ~95-100J for each a dupe walking through a door (power is consumed while the door is opening)

=> Should be roughly 300J to operate 3 doors one time

[DyingCrow]

They used to require power only for opening, and used power to stay in an opened state. Still, 120w is silly :/ id be completely totally fine with 60w.

[avc15]

On 6/7/2018 at 6:09 AM, Sevio said:

It's good they use power now but the 120 W still makes me really want to avoid putting the doors on any of my circuits if the faster opening isn't critical. If they gave the door a small energy buffer they could drastically lower the power draw from the circuit during refills while still using roughly the same amount of energy for each open/close.

Either that, or make the heat generated by transformers dependent on the energy flow through them so we can afford to have more circuits without unnecessarily heating our base.

from some simplistic testing a couple days ago it seems powered doors usually consume 3 tics worth of power (72J) when a dup passes through. But it's inconsistent.