JonnyMonroe Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I'll keep this short and simple; Step 1: Grow free plastic Step 2: Melt plastic into naphtha Step 3: Cook naphtha into natural gas Step 4: Burn natural gas into polluted water Step 5: Whatever your preferred method is of turning polluted water into clean water. I like to boil it, but you can sieve it or pump it through a gulp fish farm if you prefer. To sum up - This is no different than a normal oil cracking loop except you use Drecko plastic instead of oil since you can get that without the water cost of an oil well. Edit for the curious: 1 drecko will get you about 30g/s natural gas, which is in turn a bit over 30g/s water. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Step 0: find a plastic drecko egg Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1030798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamLogan Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 A huge process for only 30g/s water but good idea. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1030801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 be faster if we just used the dupe's piss Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1030806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyMonroe Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 43 minutes ago, SamLogan said: A huge process for only 30g/s water but good idea. 30g per drecko. It can be scaled up pretty damned high. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1030811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 How did you manage to acquire a glossy drecko egg? I've been farming the crap out of them and haven't received any. Is it pure chance? Outside of the ludicrous amount of setup required and duplicant time and power investment, this is an interesting means of getting infinite water. One problem I can see is that its scalability is dependent on your access to wild pepperplants. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1030814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, crypticorb said: How did you manage to acquire a glossy drecko egg? I've been farming the crap out of them and haven't received any. Is it pure chance? Outside of the ludicrous amount of setup required and duplicant time and power investment, this is an interesting means of getting infinite water. One problem I can see is that its scalability is dependent on your access to wild pepperplants. best thing to do it breed a bunch and hope for the best, then once you get one breed the heck out of it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1030821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 1000 dreckos = 30kg/s water! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1030822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Could you skip a step and plop your drecko plastic directly onto your natural gas cooker plate? I can't see any reason why a bit of shipping solutions wouldn't allow you to save some power that way. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1030824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyMonroe Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, crypticorb said: Could you skip a step and plop your drecko plastic directly onto your natural gas cooker plate? I can't see any reason why a bit of shipping solutions wouldn't allow you to save some power that way. It's all to do with heat recapture. When cooking oil/naphtha like this you want to use the incoming material to cool the outgoing gas in order to get the maximal throughput allowed by your heat source. If I brought the plastic in as a solid it would melt out during this heat recapture step anyway and be a pain to handle. It's better to turn it into a liquid first so I'm only dealing with 1 phase of matter during the whole cooking process. Also it's easier to control an exact gram/second throughput in a pipe, whereas on a conveyor you're pretty much stuck with 20kg chunks. It's not like the melting takes much power. It costs a fraction of what you make back on the nat gas gens. Maybe people would find the whole build more appealing if I cut put the last step and posted it as a way of getting free nat gas from dreckos. In my mind the most valuable part of nat gas is that it is a water source. Power is easy to make compared to water. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1030827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Your Post just highlights the imbalance caused by cooking oil into natgas. The dreckos arent needed. 60g oil. -> 60g ngas -> 800 joules + 82g co2 + 67g polluted water. Slicksters -> 41g oil. Water sieve -> 67g water -> oilwell 200g oil 60g oil turned into 241g oil, 13 grams sand consumed. Cooking natgas can and will need fixing at some point. Simplest solution will be decreasing ngas energy density and compensating this chance on fert synth and geysir. For instance, by making natgas gens eat 100g natgas and fert synths to produce 33g would be a step on The right direction. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1031024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Carnis said: Your Post just highlights the imbalance caused by cooking oil into natgas. The dreckos arent needed. 60g oil. -> 60g ngas -> 800 joules + 82g co2 + 67g polluted water. Slicksters -> 41g oil. Water sieve -> 67g water -> oilwell 200g oil 60g oil turned into 241g oil, 13 grams sand consumed. Cooking natgas can and will need fixing at some point. Simplest solution will be decreasing ngas energy density and compensating this chance on fert synth and geysir. For instance, by making natgas gens eat 100g natgas and fert synths to produce 33g would be a step on The right direction. I disagree, stepping up the cost requirements of NG generators will make them MUCH harder for new players to transition to. Oil cookers is currently only possible and usable with significant amounts of setup, including volcano isolation, preheating the oil, cooling the NG, and storage of the NG. Only advanced players and long-term bases have access to this means of generating power, so it isn't exactly unbalanced mechanics. The whole point of this is not to be a perfectly balanced system of conservation of mass and energy, but to have fun. Please remember that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90282-drecko-as-a-water-source/#findComment-1031059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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