Tamed and fully automated Gold Volcano.

[Luminite2]

Yes, the plates will cause heat exchange between the water and abyssalite tiles, what Kasuha pointed out is that there still won't be (significant) heat exchange between the tiles and the exterior (here, a cold biome).

However, I think it's also worth noting that liquid-liquid heat exchange gets a 25x multiplier, so I'm unsure whether you even need the plates for a cistern this small in the first place.

[Kasuha]

7 minutes ago, Lifegrow said:

The fact that it's an ice biome doesn't change the fact you're losing energy - you're simply transferring it from your cooled water tank, to the (ideally -30ish conditions) of an ice biome.

I.e. your 5 degree cooled tank is warming up the ice biome.

Okay, yes, I know that the tempshift plate can exchange heat with an abyssalite tile. But to my knowledge that does not make that tile exchange heat with anything else, including the gas outside the building.

3 minutes ago, Luminite2 said:

However, I think it's also worth noting that liquid-liquid heat exchange gets a 25x multiplier, so I'm unsure whether you even need the plates for a cistern this small in the first place.

Maybe, I just wanted to save myself trouble in case they were needed and I did not have them. This was completely built in-game including all failed attempts, no debug mode used. And they're made of igneous stone so no important material was lost either.

[Neotuck]

2 minutes ago, Kasuha said:

But to my knowledge that does not make that tile exchange heat with anything else, including the gas outside the building.

I can confirm this, still why not use insulated tiles?  Low on abyssilite?

[Kasuha]

5 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

still why not use insulated tiles?  Low on abyssilite?

I don't see a reason to build insulated tiles from abyssalite, regardless how much of it I have. Even if it gets connected to a piece of pipe or tempshift plate, its specific heat capacity is similar to water but there's just 200 kg of it.

[Kasuha]

On 9. 4. 2018 at 4:42 PM, Lifegrow said:

The fact that it's an ice biome doesn't change the fact you're losing energy - you're simply transferring it from your cooled water tank, to the (ideally -30ish conditions) of an ice biome.

I.e. your 5 degree cooled tank is warming up the ice biome.

Was just bringing it to your attention incase you missed the change.

So... after a few hundred cycles and several dormant/active cycles of the volcano, the abyssalite tiles are at +9 C while the water in the pool is +5 C and the outside is -16 C. So I don't even think there's any substantial heat transfer between the tiles and plates, maybe the temperature difference is already small enough that combined with abysmal heat conductivity of abyssalite the transferred heat rounds down to zero.

 

By the way, I ran an experiment with the arm and loader in vacuum and it worked for a while until the logic preventing the arm to grab hot metal didn't act fast enough and the arm overheated in an instant. It's possible but it's really risky. As such, I think liquid cooling of the arm and loader is the best choice.

[Stoof]

On 08/04/2018 at 9:58 PM, Kasuha said:

The primary coolant is polluted water, cooled by dedicated aquatuner located in my power faciity. The heat is displaced into another polluted water which is then sent to fertilizer makers.

I would really like to see the system you use to keep the aquatuner cool and the automation used about when to send to the fertilizer makers and refill the coolent.

[Kasuha]

3 minutes ago, Stoof said:

I would really like to see the system you use to keep the aquatuner cool and the automation used about when to send to the fertilizer makers and refill the coolent.

I uploaded the save in one of followup posts, just download it and check it. 

The aquatuner is cooled by polluted water used/generated by the power plant and it is then sent to fertilizer synthesizers.

The whole automation is "if there's more than X water, activate the pump". It doesn't even check the temperature (which goes up and down a lot over hundreds of cycles since it uses water coming from the steam geyser cooler and it warms up/cools down substantially over the geyser's activity period). But the temperature is never high enough for the water to start evaporating.

[Stoof]

49 minutes ago, Kasuha said:

The whole automation is "if there's more than X water, activate the pump". It doesn't even check the temperature (which goes up and down a lot over hundreds of cycles since it uses water coming from the steam geyser cooler and it warms up/cools down substantially over the geyser's activity period). But the temperature is never high enough for the water to start evaporating.

I see, thanks.

I'm trying to get ideas for a build were the aquatuner would heat the polluted water to just below boiling before destroying the heat by sending it to fertilizer makers, but without the aquatuner being unavailable during an lengthy drain and refill process.  I'm thinking along the lines of 2 seperate polluted water tanks with 2 separate  aquatuners and switch between them as each needs to refill, maybe using a mechanized airlock to speed the drain process, but my understanding of automation just isn't good enough to know if this is even possible.

[Luminite2]

1 minute ago, Stoof said:

I see, thanks.

I'm trying to get ideas for a build were the aquatuner would heat the polluted water to just below boiling before destroying the heat by sending it to fertilizer makers, but without the aquatuner being unavailable during an lengthy drain and refill process.  I'm thinking along the lines of 2 seperate polluted water tanks with 2 separate  aquatuners and switch between them as each needs to refill, maybe using a mechanized airlock to speed the drain process, but my understanding of automation just isn't good enough to know if this is even possible.

That should definitely be possible with automation, but I think you can do just fine with a single aquatuner. Once the temperature gets above a certain amount (some comfortable number below the boiling point of PH2O), you can turn on the pump that removes the hot PH2O and open the valve bringing in cool PH2O at the same time, while keeping the aquatuner running. This will be stable as long as the incoming PH2O is cool enough to outpace the aquatuner's heating, which is easy to do. If you're cooling water, then the aquatuner can heat 10 kg/s of PH2O by (4.179 * 14C)/6 = 9.751C, so as long as the incoming PH2O is at least 10 degrees cooler than whatever the temperature sensor is set to, you'll be good.

 

One note: I've found that the low conductivity of PH2O can cause an aquatuner to overheat because the polluted water can't pull heat from it fast enough if you let the water get close to the boiling point. This can be solved by either lowering the temperature sensor's setting (easy), or by having the aquatuner be half submerged in oil (a bit more complicated).

[0xFADE]

I implemented a very slight variation of yours with the little wort box from lifegrows version.  I had to add in a pump to an aquatuner since it was losing the heat battle.  Most of the heat transfer happens as it passes through the metal as you said.  Either way it is very nice.

The metal transfer to the right is for my plan to use more of the heat to convert oil to natural gas once I get my current energy crisis under control.

 

 

[Arash70]

Put refined metal storage in the same water tank and you'll easily cool off the materials too

[blash365]

It's a nice concept. My only criticism would be that you do not "use" the heat of the volcano for something useful.

A perfect setup would be one, that allows us to use a steam generator (or something similar) and extract the metal at acceptable temperatures.

You made it halfway already. But since the vacuum is an essential part of your design, it does not seem to be capable to make use of the heat.

 

[0xFADE]

5 hours ago, blash365 said:

It's a nice concept. My only criticism would be that you do not "use" the heat of the volcano for something useful.

A perfect setup would be one, that allows us to use a steam generator (or something similar) and extract the metal at acceptable temperatures.

You made it halfway already. But since the vacuum is an essential part of your design, it does not seem to be capable to make use of the heat.

 

Mine with the metal on the side that makes contact with the liquid metal does pull quite a lot of heat out, enough to solidify it on that side. Since that original image I'd added a heat sink on top with an oil boiler on top of that.

Another option is conveying the metal through the heat buffer as well. There is still a lot of heat lost but getting manageable metal out of it was the main goal. 

[fishoutofwater]

I think we have same idea.

Here is my design.

Not gate for door so that only at certain temperature the gold can be swept.