My Upgraded Boiler Design

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31 minutes ago, onlineous said:

I'm currently building something inspired by your build.

The main problems with systems like these is preservation of energy.

All your appliances create heat, the conversion from polluted water to steam and from steam to clean water costs heat.

So in the end input temp + heat production = output temp + heat losses due to conversion.

I'm not completely sure how heat capacity fits into that picture.

Probably because you use fertilizer synthesizers to create natural gas? If you pump the excess (clean) water in an oil well and use a petroleum generator you use way less (polluted) water.

If you manage to heat the crude oil to create natural gas directly it's even better.

Well now with lava heat source it might be even sustainable.

[Arash70]

I wonder, why not remove those 2 metal tiles and fully submerge heater into polluted water?

[Neotuck]

2 minutes ago, Arash70 said:

I wonder, why not remove those 2 metal tiles and fully submerge heater into polluted water?

then the temp would only reach 85C and not boil

[onlineous]

23 hours ago, cpy said:

Well now with lava heat source it might be even sustainable.

I actually use a metal volcano. I've been lucky with my map and have a oil fissure and a metal volcano close to each other. The result is plenty of natural gas.

23 hours ago, Neotuck said:

then the temp would only reach 85C and not boil

Easy to overcome with a pulser circuit, unless you find that cheating of course. 

[Neotuck]

6 minutes ago, onlineous said:

Easy to overcome with a pulser circuit, unless you find that cheating of course.

you are talking about using a NOT gate to create a rapid pulse signal right? I haven't tested it but how fast can that boil PW? and at what rate?

My current setup can boil PW at 3kg/s

[onlineous]

Just now, Neotuck said:

you are talking about using a NOT gate to create a rapid pulse signal right? I haven't tested it but how fast can that boil PW? and at what rate?

My current setup can boil PW at 3kg/s

Yes, indeed the system I talk about. I don't consider it more 'cheaty' than dripping on a tepidizer. The system pictured in my survival base can boil somewhere around 5 kilograms of polluted water per second with two tepidizers, but that could definitely be cranked up by preheating more (polluted water enters somewhere between 40 and 60 degrees usually.

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1 minute ago, Neotuck said:

you are talking about using a NOT gate to create a rapid pulse signal right? I haven't tested it but how fast can that boil PW? and at what rate?

My current setup can boil PW at 3kg/s

You should say "After running the boiler for about 10 cycles I calculated the boiler shuts down an average of 30s per cycle". This sentence is more powerful, because periodic signal has to waste time and energy on switching. When we turn on a tepidizer, it takes about 1 second to be ready and then runs about 2 seconds but consumes energy in the whole 3 seconds.

[Neotuck]

 

1 minute ago, R9MX4 said:

You should say "After running the boiler for about 10 cycles I calculated the boiler shuts down an average of 30s per cycle"

That was before I tweaked it, it doesn't shut down any more

22 minutes ago, onlineous said:

Yes, indeed the system I talk about. I don't consider it more 'cheaty' than dripping on a tepidizer. The system pictured in my survival base can boil somewhere around 5 kilograms of polluted water per second with two tepidizers, but that could definitely be cranked up by preheating more (polluted water enters somewhere between 40 and 60 degrees usually.

I ran a quick test, was able to boil 10Kg/s without it spilling over.  I could apply this to my boiler design but I'll have to increase the condenser room along with the petroleum tank to compensate for the extra steam

Still great idea, gives me a change to work on a new design

[onlineous]

23 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

 

That was before I tweaked it, it doesn't shut down any more

I ran a quick test, was able to boil 10Kg/s without it spilling over.  I could apply this to my boiler design but I'll have to increase the condenser room along with the petroleum tank to compensate for the extra steam

Still great idea, gives me a change to work on a new design

 

I prefer to have the tepidizer in a enclosed room. This prevents polluted oxygen from building up, and I think there might be less heat transfer to the steam as well: it's not really useful to heat up the steam to 150 degrees as you indicated before.

How do you stand on cooling with wheezeworts?

This is my current setup:

[Neotuck]

1 minute ago, onlineous said:

I prefer to have the tepidizer in a enclosed room. This prevents polluted oxygen from building up, and I think there might be less heat transfer to the steam as well: it's not really useful to heat up the steam to 150 degrees as you indicated before.

How do you stand on cooling with wheezeworts?

after I tweaked it I haven't seen it reach 150C any more, and wheezeworts are a bit slow with cooling steam

[onlineous]

Just now, Neotuck said:

after I tweaked it I haven't seen it reach 150C any more, and wheezeworts are a bit slow with cooling steam

Depends on how cold you want to have it. If you want a nice 20 degrees water output you might need too much wheezeworts to be realistic.

However, if you don't care about output temperature (and you don't need to for showers and for electrolyzers), the system pictured above can be highly simplified. I'm even quite sure there is no need for any additional cooling at all apart from cooling using the input water.

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I've just finished a hard brain storm.

 

As we know, a tepidizer can generate 4064kw heat. If we feed a fully-running tepidizer with warm ph2o,(let me set as 40C), then the tepi should handle Ph20 at the rate of

4064kw/(120-40)K/(6kj/K/kg)=8.47kg/s 

It is much bigger than 3kg/s, so there must be some wrongs, which cause the loss of heat, on OP's design

Maybe here, two heat deletions

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And as I mentioned above, the automation signal trick wastes some time and energy on ready status.

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The following structure, which we used to use it to boil oil, causes some heat loss. At least 1/4 heat was wasted on heating naphtha(or other kinds of liquid which contacts the tepidizer)

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OK, are there any way to avoid the heat deletion, also keep tepi fully running, and doesn't cause any heat loss?

Here is my answer.

The water can be replaced by any kind of liquid. Make sure it's more than 400kg and colder than 85C.

The block directly above the water is vacuum.

The last block is naphtha, and can be replaced by any kind of liquid which is heavy than Ph2o.

[onlineous]

1 hour ago, R9MX4 said:

OK, are there any way to avoid the heat deletion, also keep tepi fully running, and doesn't cause any heat loss?

Here is my answer.

The water can be replaced by any kind of liquid. Make sure it's more than 400kg and colder than 85C.

The block directly above the water is vacuum.

The last block is naphtha, and can be replaced by any kind of liquid which is heavy than Ph2o.

How does this work? What triggers the tepidizer to keep running?

Current setup: 1525 watts average (including 3 fulltime running pumps) and 10 kilograms of polluted water cleaned per second.

The wheezeworts actually don't do too much, I expected a bit more from those.

[Neotuck]

2 hours ago, R9MX4 said:

OK, are there any way to avoid the heat deletion, also keep tepi fully running, and doesn't cause any heat loss?

Here is my answer.

 

16 minutes ago, onlineous said:

How does this work? What triggers the tepidizer to keep running?

I would like to know too

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The trick is just the same one as @Neotuck's design. It is about how the tepidizer detects submerging and temperature.

The tepi would look around and search for all the blocks which has more than 400 kg liquid, and then calculate their average temperature (if there are more than one blocks) If there is at least one block and the average temperature is lower than 85C, the tepidizer will recognize itself as "submerged".

I'm not sure the size of search boundary, it might be 2-tile radius and no solid-tile obstacle.

 

In my design, the block of water should be the only block which has more than 400kg liquid (which means it's not allowed to storage more than 400kg hot ph2o in a single block near the tepi). Since the water temperature is lower than 85C, the tepi will keep working.

[Neotuck]

Just to point out the reason for 3kg/s steam isn't because my tepi can't handle more.  It's due to that's how much my condenser room can handle.  Too much steam and it will shut down to cool.

[PhailRaptor]

So how would any of this compare to @Saturnus old Distiller design?

 

[Oozinator]

On 23.3.2018 at 6:30 PM, R9MX4 said:

Here is my answer.

Very interesting.