Critter limit? can now only fit 8 per room

[Neotuck]

With today's update introducing the overcrowded debuff on critter taming I found that with a room max size of 96 tiles I can only have 8 hatches.  I'll see how much coal I can produce once they are all tamed

[Soulwind]

Do hatches accept the vertical tiles as open space or only the floor tiles?

[Kabrute]

vertical counts so I'm about to have some animal silos

[Neotuck]

I just made a vertical one so yes it counts.  Just make sure you have room for a grooming station 

[Soulwind]

 I'll have to try it out later tonight,  but can critters share the space?

Specifically morbs and pufts with morbs on the ground and pufts up in the rafters?

[blash365]

Since morbs cannot be tamed, they might not count to the creature limit. However one of klei said on the stream that you dont want certain creatures in your base (regarding morbs). So it might be that they actually attack stuff or prevent your tame create from functioning in the near future.

[Soulwind]

 Hmm I didn't know you couldn't tame morbs.  I've only played with hatches and shinebugs so far

[Neotuck]

9 minutes ago, blash365 said:

Since morbs cannot be tamed, they might not count to the creature limit. However one of klei said on the stream that you dont want certain creatures in your base (regarding morbs). So it might be that they actually attack stuff or prevent your tame create from functioning in the near future.

I always kept morbs separated from pufts with an airflow tile floor

[snormer]

13 minutes ago, Soulwind said:

 I'll have to try it out later tonight,  but can critters share the space?

Specifically morbs and pufts with morbs on the ground and pufts up in the rafters?

Morbs can't be tamed. Anyway, no sharing now.  All creatures in the room volume counts, including stray wild ones. So one curious shine bug flying into a stable full of hatches will make them all rather unhappy.

[BlueLance]

Apparently at full happiness a hatch will output 100kg of coal a day, so thats a fair amount more, i dont think i ever seen higher than 35 from mine

[Saturnus]

2 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

Apparently at full happiness a hatch will output 100kg of coal a day, so thats a fair amount more, i dont think i ever seen higher than 35 from mine

Still a way to go to the 250kg/cycle before though but decent I suppose 

[BlueLance]

I think i usually only had 2 or 3 hatches in my old games and had lots of coal, so having a room big enough to max out the amount I can have for me should hopefully be good enough. Although the feeding station only has 200kg capacity so i worry they will eat it in one go and the others will starve

[Neotuck]

31 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

I think i usually only had 2 or 3 hatches in my old games and had lots of coal, so having a room big enough to max out the amount I can have for me should hopefully be good enough. Although the feeding station only has 200kg capacity so i worry they will eat it in one go and the others will starve

they do eat it in one go so best to have a compactor near it with hatch food and a sweeper

[PhailRaptor]

10 hours ago, blash365 said:

So it might be that they actually attack stuff or prevent your tame create from functioning in the near future.

The produce P-O2 with quantities of Slimelung.  They have for quite some time.  That's a combination you don't want anywhere near your living space.

[BlueLance]

8 hours ago, Neotuck said:

they do eat it in one go so best to have a compactor near it with hatch food and a sweeper

I have never actually used the sweepers (mainly due to me not playing the game for a while and a mass army of dupes) can the sweeper arm etc supply food directly to the feeding station? can this be done for coal too?

[Neotuck]

2 hours ago, BlueLance said:

I have never actually used the sweepers (mainly due to me not playing the game for a while and a mass army of dupes) can the sweeper arm etc supply food directly to the feeding station? can this be done for coal too?

yes and yes check my post on the hatch stable 

 

[Saturnus]

I foresee a lot of 2 tile wide 48 tile high rooms on top of many bases in the future.

[Neotuck]

21 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

I foresee a lot of 2 tile wide 48 tile high rooms on top of many bases in the future.

why 2 wide? wouldn't 3 make more sense? 

[Saturnus]

5 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

why 2 wide? wouldn't 3 make more sense? 

Generally no unless you insist on the feeding station needing to be on the ground. If you need it at all. Depends on the critters.

[BlueLance]

3 wide if you have a platform for hatches etc for the grooming station and a ladder so that the hatches cant go anywhere. I dno how 2 would go?

I frogot about the feeding station... I do not know what is wrong with me

[Neotuck]

1 minute ago, Saturnus said:

Generally no unless you insist on the feeding station needing to be on the ground. If you need it at all. Depends on the critters.

 

1 minute ago, BlueLance said:

3 wide if you have a platform for hatches etc for the grooming station and a ladder so that the hatches cant go anywhere. I dno how 2 would go?

so 4 for hatches (grooming, feeding, ladder) and 3 for pufts (grooming, ladder)  I know you could get by without ladders but you risk critters escaping 

[Saturnus]

Hatches can't go through pneumatic doors unless you deliberately set them to be open.

[Neotuck]

2 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Hatches can't go through pneumatic doors unless you deliberately set them to be open.

disagree, I seen them get stuck and the door was set to auto

[BlueLance]

3 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Hatches can't go through pneumatic doors unless you deliberately set them to be open.

Dont they try and get stuck? if they are stuck can you groom them?

[Saturnus]

3 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

disagree, I seen them get stuck and the door was set to auto

In 1600+ hours of playing I haven't seen this happen once. And nobody has ever demonstrated it to be possible so I'm afraid I'm going to have to see some evidence of that occurring.