MythN7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 for u shaped bucket type rooms your holding large body's of fluid in is there a way to know how many tiles thick you need to make it? Such as if you are basing it on x amount of tiles horz x vert of open holding volume, so in this case say 20 wide by 10 high for the fluid area. For the sake of this question, assume the bottom and sides are floating in the air, no world terrain helping to support. I am really hoping there is a value in the materials firmness score that can be used to determine how thick you need your container to be based on what you are intending to build it from. Same type of logic could prob be applied to sealed up boxes your pumping gas into with high pressure vents. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 thick for infinite, tests seem to point to a combination of height of liquid stack and actual pressure of a cell. high enough pressure will bust through on its own for 1 and 2 thick walls. gas doesn't seem to ever overpressure the walls... in my experience. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1014706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Airflow tiles can hold any liquid pressure. 1 tile is enough. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1014707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythN7 Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Kabrute said: 3 thick for infinite, tests seem to point to a combination of height of liquid stack and actual pressure of a cell. high enough pressure will bust through on its own for 1 and 2 thick walls. gas doesn't seem to ever overpressure the walls... in my experience. ya when in doubt ive been using 3 thick, tend to put sandstone in the middle, and granite on the outside with sed or ing on the inside. Just doing it 3 thick is a major pain in the butt when you are changing your mind or forgot to run pipes or wires, since the middle row cannot be accessed. So i was hoping it was possible to some how solve for if 3 is needed based on how big the "tank" is your making. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1014708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 if its just an open top bucket, below 8 tiles high 1 thick wall is (usually) fine, above that I switch to 2 thick, and above 12-15 I switch to 3 thick walls at the bottom, with about an 8 tile spread between layer heights. as a workaround, you can put doors as your outside layer(s) to give you inner wall access without compromising tank integrity Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1014709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythN7 Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Kabrute said: if its just an open top bucket, below 8 tiles high 1 thick wall is (usually) fine, above that I switch to 2 thick, and above 12-15 I switch to 3 thick walls at the bottom, with about an 8 tile spread between layer heights. ok, ill those out. im starting to make large empty buckets in my base making while im digging out areas from top down so i dont need to use ladders later expect for the final main access used to initially get up to start digging. so gonna use all the mats I dig up in the early skill building phase to make a bunch of ready to go tanks large enough to last hundred or more cycles before filling up, 1 for each gas and fluid type i always seem to have to manage. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1014711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuQuasar Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 - Width of the water vat does not matter, only pressure, which is dependent on fluid height. - Materials are what determines how much pressure you can withstand. - In water, the numbers are Wall thickness: 1 tile 2 tiles Obsidian 11 20 Igneous Rock 11 20 Granite 16 30 Sedimentary Rock 3 5 Sandstone 6 10 Abyssalite 20 39 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1014839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanoD Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, QuQuasar said: - Width of the water vat does not matter, only pressure, which is dependent on fluid height. - Materials are what determines how much pressure you can withstand. - In water, the numbers are The they have change it for a few updates ago. Tiles hold much higher pressure now. Sedimentary tiles holds 28 tiles of water. that is about 1300 kg of pressure from clean water. Abyssalite can handle a pressure of 4000 kg of clean water. If you calculate the water column it would be around 300 tiles high. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1014848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giltirn Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 TIL that tiles break under liquid pressure, after 30+ hours of play. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1014945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supraluminal Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Giltirn said: TIL that tiles break under liquid pressure, after 30+ hours of play. Same, I've never seen it happen and didn't know it could. I might have started playing after the change @NanoD mentioned. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1015017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythN7 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 I just created my clean water pit, I built abys tiles on the inside and outside of a 3 thick wall and floor. the middle block is igneous rock. It goes 67 down from the geysers height, and its 7 tiles wide for the volume it holds. Gonna take a few hundred cycles before it fills up im guessing, so it will be hard to know if its strong enough. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1015488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, MythN7 said: I just created my clean water pit, I built abys tiles on the inside and outside of a 3 thick wall and floor. the middle block is igneous rock. It goes 67 down from the geysers height, and its 7 tiles wide for the volume it holds. Gonna take a few hundred cycles before it fills up im guessing, so it will be hard to know if its strong enough. 3 walls is ifinite as far as i remember Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1015492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythN7 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, BlueLance said: 3 walls is ifinite as far as i remember im trying to suck all the gas out of it, sealed it off, capped the top about 7 tiles higher than the geyser. Wanna know what happens to steam geyser in a vacuum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1015493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, MythN7 said: im trying to suck all the gas out of it, sealed it off, capped the top about 7 tiles higher than the geyser. Wanna know what happens to steam geyser in a vacuum. It depends on what the wall is made out of, if your inner wall was abyssalite then the steam would remain steam. if your inner walls are no then they will heat up which causes the steam to condense, if the outside is abysallite, eventually that water which condensed would heat up and evaporate and the room would eventually reach equlibrium. Edit - The room doesnt have to be a vacuum for this, eventually the other gasses would get just as hot and the same thing would happen Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1015495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythN7 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, BlueLance said: It depends on what the wall is made out of, if your inner wall was abyssalite then the steam would remain steam. if your inner walls are no then they will heat up which causes the steam to condense, if the outside is abysallite, eventually that water which condensed would heat up and evaporate and the room would eventually reach equlibrium. what about my inner wall being the slow heating rock? inner as the middle of the 3 thick, sorry. so finally got all the stuff sweeped out of it and the pumps setup. Time to get a dup running on the treadmill to make it a vacuum, lol. That amount of water in the bottom is how much i gathered during the construction of the well. been running all the slime from this dig threw a 5 pass ore scrubber route to the distiller. As well as having prob almost a hundred now deodorizers across the map, have 165T of clay right now, and have also turned about 70T of the supply to coal via hatch threw the course of the game. So I got lots of O2, heh. just finally hired my 6th dup. did 300 cycles with only 5. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1015496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, MythN7 said: what about my inner wall being the slow heating rock? inner as the middle of the 3 thick, sorry. Your innermost wall would heat up quickly, this would slowly heat up your middle wall, eventually the walls will reach the same temperature as the steam being ejected from the fumarole, when this happens the room should be in equilibrium and the steam should remain steam since there is nothing left to transfer heat to Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1015500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythN7 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 37 minutes ago, BlueLance said: Your innermost wall would heat up quickly, this would slowly heat up your middle wall, eventually the walls will reach the same temperature as the steam being ejected from the fumarole, when this happens the room should be in equilibrium and the steam should remain steam since there is nothing left to transfer heat to cool, thanks, ill see what happens as I do other stuff. Dont need the water from the geyser yet, still using my ice stored in abys containers to make decor that melts into my clean water pit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1015513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 7 hours ago, MythN7 said: im trying to suck all the gas out of it, sealed it off, capped the top about 7 tiles higher than the geyser. Wanna know what happens to steam geyser in a vacuum. Since the Steam Geyser produces both liquid Water and gaseous Steam, it will create it's own atmosphere of Steam. Depending on the overall thermal situation of the tank, that Steam may condense into Water, leaving (usually) a Vacuum behind. I say (usually) because when the water line in the tank comes up all the way to the roof of the tank, you can get this weird behavior. The tooltip for the tile will say it is Steam, but it has an extra bullet point of "Special", and a temperature of 0 K. It will also not display a mass. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1015627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggbert Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 All my cisterns are 4 tiles high and their bottom is 1 tile thick and I have never had a leak. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88654-knowing-thickness-of-wallfloor-to-hold-volumes/#findComment-1016018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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