Uses for Chlorine?

[Chaquinn]

So I was playing on a new world, and got really excited when i found a geyser right outside of the starting biome. Then i realized it was a chlorine geyser. So i just want to know if there are any things i can use the geyser for. I already know you can use chlorine for sanitation, but how do i do that safely? Also, what else is chlorine useful for?

[Soulwind]

 Ore scrubbers and building a sanitizing storage room.   You can also pump it into germ zones to help clear it out,  but then you have to deal with all the free floating gas. 

Note that I'd the geyser is close by, you will definitely want to seal it off as soon as possible or it will quickly flood the whole area with high pressure chlorine

[MorsDux]

you can pump and filter chlorine in a room where you want to grow balm lillies for example. On hardest difficulty balm lilly is a must have, as dupes immune system doesnt regenerate without vitamins.

 

[PhailRaptor]

Chlorine has 3 uses:

1) as "fuel" for Ore Scrubbers, which will remove up to 480,000 germs from the surface of objects carried past them by Dupes (this is less than naturally occuring on Slime, and Dupes will not wait if all are occupied)

2) as an airborne disinfectant, passively killing germs both on solids and in neighboring gases as it passes, however, this is difficult to control outside of specifically flooding a room (such as "permanently" filling your food storage area to ensure contamination is not possible)

3) required atmosphere for the growth of Balm Lilies, a medicinal plant used in the creation of VitaChews at the Apothecary, used to increase the growth/regen of a Dupe's Immunity (somewhat limited in it's actual usefulness, since prevention is the much stronger strategy)

[mickaux]

Also, chlorine is the best in-game gas isolator and therefore conducts much less heat then other gases.

[SkunkMaster]

1 hour ago, mickaux said:

Also, chlorine is the best in-game gas isolator and therefore conducts much less heat then other gases.

On that note, it's also a very good cooling agent. not only does it go fluid at a merely -35 degrees, but it does not freeze before -101 degrees. 

This means easy access to super cold liquid. I would recon the chlorine geyser is worth more then having 2 gas geysers.

[Coolthulhu]

1 minute ago, SkunkMaster said:

On that note, it's also a very good cooling agent. not only does it go fluid at a merely -35 degrees, but it does not freeze before -101 degrees. 

This means easy access to super cold liquid. I would recon the chlorine geyser is worth more then having 2 gas geysers.

It's actually a rather terrible cooling agent. Petroleum has 3 times the heat capacity of chlorine and stays liquid until -57C. Hydrogen has 5 times the (per-mass-unit) heat capacity. Then there is the terrible heat conductivity, which means cooling anything will take a long time.

Even if you cool the chlorine using an aquatuner and cool the hydrogen using the gas thermoregulator, hydrogen still wins at power efficiency. The only thing it loses at is per-pipe-tile heat capacity, where liquid chlorine is 2x as good as hydrogen gas, but petroleum is over 7x as good as hydrogen gas while also being 3 times more power-efficient than either liquid chlorine or hydrogen gas.

[SkunkMaster]

Just now, Coolthulhu said:

It's actually a rather terrible cooling agent. Petroleum has 3 times the heat capacity of chlorine and stays liquid until -57C. Hydrogen has 5 times the (per-mass-unit) heat capacity. Then there is the terrible heat conductivity, which means cooling anything will take a long time.

Even if you cool the chlorine using an aquatuner and cool the hydrogen using the gas thermoregulator, hydrogen still wins at power efficiency. The only thing it loses at is per-pipe-tile heat capacity, where liquid chlorine is 2x as good as hydrogen gas, but petroleum is over 7x as good as hydrogen gas while also being 3 times more power-efficient than either liquid chlorine or hydrogen gas.

It does depend on the way it's used. 

[Coolthulhu]

Just now, SkunkMaster said:

It does depend on the way it's used. 

Describe one (cooling) usage where it is superior to both petroleum and hydrogen then.

[SkunkMaster]

45 minutes ago, Coolthulhu said:

Describe one (cooling) usage where it is superior to both petroleum and hydrogen then.

[Coolthulhu]

37 minutes ago, SkunkMaster said:

All right, I didn't say "non-exploity", so I guess it counts.

But if using obvious heat deletion bugs - like the one in linked thread - is kosher, then you could just use liquid oxygen in a Borg Cube.

[SkunkMaster]

1 minute ago, Coolthulhu said:

All right, I didn't say "non-exploity", so I guess it counts.

But if using obvious heat deletion bugs - like the one in linked thread - is kosher, then you could just use liquid oxygen in a Borg Cube.

Can you please explain to me where this "obvious heat deletion" occurs in the bubbler setup ? - Because i believe we had this discussion back when i cooled down the geyser by accident, and then it was stated that this was an entirely new system, not related to the borg cube or any other kind of drip cooling setup. 

[Luminite2]

1 minute ago, SkunkMaster said:

Can you please explain to me where this "obvious heat deletion" occurs in the bubbler setup ? - Because i believe we had this discussion back when i cooled down the geyser by accident, and then it was stated that this was an entirely new system, not related to the borg cube or any other kind of drip cooling setup. 

Aquatuners do not delete heat. Where else could you possibly be getting net cooling in this system?

[Coolthulhu]

Just now, SkunkMaster said:

Can you please explain to me where this "obvious heat deletion" occurs in the bubbler setup ? - Because i believe we had this discussion back when i cooled down the geyser by accident, and then it was stated that this was an entirely new system, not related to the borg cube or any other kind of drip cooling setup. 

It's explained well in

It's basically drip cooling but dripping off the liquid CO2/chlorine rather than solid stairs.

[SkunkMaster]

39 minutes ago, Coolthulhu said:

It's explained well in

It's basically drip cooling but dripping off the liquid CO2/chlorine rather than solid stairs.

Even if that is the case, i still don't see how this "obviously" uses exploits. The borg cube uses same-kind liquids, and the explanation takes into account fluids with a greater mass then the receiving fluid. But chlorine seems to have a lower mass then oil, since it does not fall down to the bottom of the oil-pool.

And can you please explain to me, how using the AETN or weezes aint "exploity". Or how using 100 degrees hot water in water sieves aint "exploity".

 

I would say that the argument that something is a exploit, atleast as long as we are in early access, is null and void. I would even say the borg-cube is a valid build, as unrealistic as it is. Why? Cause the developers are aware of "the cube" and how it works, so we as players must assume that that is how it's all supposed to work, until they maybe, or maybe not, change it.

[Coolthulhu]

10 hours ago, SkunkMaster said:

I would say that the argument that something is a exploit, atleast as long as we are in early access, is null and void.

The "nothing is an exploit" approach would be understandable, but if you choose to roll that way, don't add red herrings like early access, which is completely irrelevant here. If your argument about exploits wouldn't work for a competitive multiplayer game, it is also wrong for a casual early access singleplayer one.

The difference between sieve heat deletion and Borg cube heat deletion is design and intent, the fact that one is intended behavior (a feature) and other a bug. Sieves do what they are expected to do by the designer: set output temperature to a specific value. This is clearly stated in the code, reproducible and has no obvious alternative. Drip cooling happens in very specific conditions, uses a formula that is clearly wrong from physics standpoint, has a clearly different actual behavior and expected behavior. It's obviously a bug.

Just use debug mode instead of pretending your oversized Borg cube is something else.

[SkunkMaster]

3 hours ago, Coolthulhu said:

The "nothing is an exploit" approach would be understandable, but if you choose to roll that way, don't add red herrings like early access, which is completely irrelevant here. If your argument about exploits wouldn't work for a competitive multiplayer game, it is also wrong for a casual early access singleplayer one.

The difference between sieve heat deletion and Borg cube heat deletion is design and intent, the fact that one is intended behavior (a feature) and other a bug. Sieves do what they are expected to do by the designer: set output temperature to a specific value. This is clearly stated in the code, reproducible and has no obvious alternative. Drip cooling happens in very specific conditions, uses a formula that is clearly wrong from physics standpoint, has a clearly different actual behavior and expected behavior. It's obviously a bug.

Just use debug mode instead of pretending your oversized Borg cube is something else.

This aint a realism simulator, and the game, including it's gases, liquids and what not, is not designed around the real life world.

As long as the developers don't come out and say straight "this is a bug" or "this is unintended behavior" you can assume that it's how it's supposed to be. 

Honestly i don't think we will ever agree. This game is filled with ways to "exploit", this is a single player game and if someone wants to build something, intended design by programmers or not, then they should be allowed to do so. 

 

Talking things down, just cause you don't find it acceptable, is just a sad approach to dealing with others. Again, single player game, we all play it for the fun of it, what we define as "fun" might be different, and as such how we play the game is also based on individuality. 

 

So please, the next time you wanna scream "exploit", or only talk about "right ways to play this game", just stop. 

[Luminite2]

47 minutes ago, SkunkMaster said:

This aint a realism simulator, and the game, including it's gases, liquids and what not, is not designed around the real life world.

As long as the developers don't come out and say straight "this is a bug" or "this is unintended behavior" you can assume that it's how it's supposed to be. 

Honestly i don't think we will ever agree. This game is filled with ways to "exploit", this is a single player game and if someone wants to build something, intended design by programmers or not, then they should be allowed to do so. 

 

Talking things down, just cause you don't find it acceptable, is just a sad approach to dealing with others. Again, single player game, we all play it for the fun of it, what we define as "fun" might be different, and as such how we play the game is also based on individuality. 

 

So please, the next time you wanna scream "exploit", or only talk about "right ways to play this game", just stop. 

I just want to say that my point wasn't that you shouldn't be using exploits, it was just that if you've already decided to do so then this design is unnecessarily complicated and not different than the much simpler Borg cube. If you want to make yourself work a little harder to use that exploit by adding artificial difficulty then that's totally fine, I just wanted to make sure you knew that that's what you were doing.

[Arash70]

You can use chlorine to end the game

 

1-Make a room full of chlorine

2-Move dupes there

3-Lock the door

 

[Coolthulhu]

3 hours ago, SkunkMaster said:

This aint a realism simulator, and the game, including it's gases, liquids and what not, is not designed around the real life world.

As long as the developers don't come out and say straight "this is a bug" or "this is unintended behavior" you can assume that it's how it's supposed to be.

Yeah, the game preserving total heat in all other heat exchanges would randomly have an easter egg where a very specific situation triggers a heat exchange that doesn't preserve heat. It would also look EXACTLY like a bug of the kind that was fixed before (fluid bridge heat exchange bug also relied on failing to consider mass).

You clearly don't understand what you're talking about. That's why instead of having actual arguments you keep moving the goalposts: first "this is legitimate", then "this is early access", now "but it's OK because I'm having fun".