LuctenFinger Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Anyone who had graduated from high school knows that an electrolyzer can't mixed its outputs or the mixed O2 and H2 will cause explosion ! So why not make a explosion event ?! Or just give it 2 pipe output? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, LuctenFinger said: Or just give it 2 pipe output? To easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, LuctenFinger said: Anyone who had graduated from high school knows that an electrolyzer can't mixed its outputs or the mixed O2 and H2 will cause explosion ! So why not make a explosion event ?! Or just give it 2 pipe output? Ehh when these two mix nothing happens.... I assume you never graduated Its when you ignite them that they react. An easy example is when Zinc is submerged in a beaker Hydrochloric Acid (A first year highschool experiment Where you then proceed to light it using a matchstick since the quantity is so little that it only makes a popping noise), you get Hydrogen, it rises out of the beaker, it does not explode or ignite unless the temperature or energy delivered is sufficient (I.E, A flame, Spark, Intense heat) In a more serious response though I remember reading somewhere that buildings seem to be limited to the amount of inputs they can have connected and outputs to 1 of each. A Natural gas geyser seems to follow this, it has 1 input, one output and spits the rest on the floor. Same goes with the Oil Refinery, Fertilizer Synthesizer. But I am not sure if it is true or just how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, BlueLance said: In a more serious response though I remember reading somewhere that buildings seem to be limited to the amount of inputs they can have connected and outputs to 1 of each. A Natural gas geyser seems to follow this, it has 1 input, one output and spits the rest on the floor. Same goes with the Oil Refinery, Fertilizer Synthesizer. But I am not sure if it is true or just how it is. There is only one building that breaks this rule. The polymer press. It has a liquid pipe input and a gas pipe output. It's literally the exception to the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Maybe have an upgraded version that emits the oxygen into the air while sending the hydrogen out through a vent? Or visa versa with it emitting waste hydrogen while pumping out oxygen into a vent to easily hook up to a ventilation system? Either set it up higher on the Research tree (so you'd have to research both electrolysers and filters to get it) or maybe have it constructed out of refined metals so you'd have to set up the while metal smelting system first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I quite like the electrolysis setup because it means building interesting little machines instead of having it done for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Tiggy said: I quite like the electrolysis setup because it means building interesting little machines instead of having it done for you. Indeed. Some people see hindrances, others see challenges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugh Zug Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 they do, oxygen falls hydrogen rises. https://imgur.com/ApGHGHf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Saturnus said: There is only one building that breaks this rule. The polymer press. It has a liquid pipe input and a gas pipe output. It's literally the exception to the rule. thats still 1 in 1 out, the fundementals of the rule is maintained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kabrute said: thats still 1 in 1 out, the fundementals of the rule is maintained Well the rule is that a machine can only have gas out if it has gas in, liquid out if it has liquid in. The polymer press is the only exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 pumps are outs with no ins so thats not a rule thats just something you noticed, the real rule is limit 1 inlet, 1 outlet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraconicSiege Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 what about automation wires? Do those not count as ins and outs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Miner Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Filters have 1 inlet and 2 outlets. Polymer press also releases steam, so if electrolyzer would release oxygen in its surroundings and hydrogen through an outlet that would be analog to what polymer press does. Explosive mixture of oxygen and hydrogen requires just a tiny spark to ignite. E.g., IRL, people get seriously injured from explosions around lead batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Saturnus said: Well the rule is that a machine can only have gas out if it has gas in, liquid out if it has liquid in. The polymer press is the only exception. I wasnt aware of that when i made the statement haha, I thought it was just one input one output thats it. Although I can agree with it having a gas output I think that it is fine as is? I prefer the challenge, if it were to have a gas pipe ut I think it should cost more power to offset the fact you no longer need a filter and/or other interesting designs. The game has already taken away a fair amount of creativity, I would rather they dont take away more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 45 minutes ago, BlueLance said: The game has already taken away a fair amount of creativity, I would rather they dont take away more Same here. ONI is feeling a bit more like a rimworld factorio mix now and that's not a good thing in this case. Since Agricultural Update now in a bad turn, for me. Tubes and steam engine made me not happy. The hats for some decorative visuals, but nothing else so far.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuctenFinger Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 17 hours ago, BlueLance said: Ehh when these two mix nothing happens.... I assume you never graduated Its when you ignite them that they react. An easy example is when Zinc is submerged in a beaker Hydrochloric Acid (A first year highschool experiment Where you then proceed to light it using a matchstick since the quantity is so little that it only makes a popping noise), you get Hydrogen, it rises out of the beaker, it does not explode or ignite unless the temperature or energy delivered is sufficient (I.E, A flame, Spark, Intense heat) yes , just need a single spark and it will explode, so a room full of H2 and O2 must have a chance to BOOOM ! thats what I say. anyway, even without safety problem, why we must mixed the gas which has original separate. this is fool........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, LuctenFinger said: thats what I say. But that isnt what you said XD You only said if they mix. But fires seem like they might be implemented just no idea when or how. Gasses are already marked as flammable etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I would be really against two fixed outputs. Normally the hydrospread from an electrolyzer, up into base is (for me) important early-midgame part.At that point you don't have automation reasearched, or metal refinery running. Then when you have sensors researched and MR running, you could easy build a 1-tile seperation thing and automate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpalerWrG Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I tend to agree with the OP, but just a hydrogen output pipe will do the job, release the oxygen as is. That is the behavior of actually systems used on ISS for life-support. The main argument I see is that the game SHOULD support gas-mixture explosions and the current Electrolizer is untenable under that scenario. So I see this as part of making the game harder (hydrogen is inherently more dangerous) not easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 hours ago, ImpalerWrG said: I tend to agree with the OP, but just a hydrogen output pipe will do the job, release the oxygen as is. That is the behavior of actually systems used on ISS for life-support. The main argument I see is that the game SHOULD support gas-mixture explosions and the current Electrolizer is untenable under that scenario. So I see this as part of making the game harder (hydrogen is inherently more dangerous) not easier. I would rather the opposite, Oxygen is piped, since if hydrogen moved though a pipe then it would take away the drawback of using it. Since players would no longer have to think about how they will deal with the hydrogen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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