SchlauFuchs Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 it needs 250 to run but converts it to 175 on output to prevent stack chaining Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 No, it's not true. It needs steam hotter than 251.85C to start, and exhausts steam in 176.85C. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Shameless link : Full disclaimer - I still havn't built one in a non-debug environment... No time to play solo - but the theory is there I suppose. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchlauFuchs Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, R9MX4 said: No, it's not true. It needs steam hotter than 251.85C to start, and exhausts steam in 176.85C. So it is a thing for Magma handling only. I just undid my plant construction. Not feasible. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Now that the Tepidizer bug has been fixed, there is no method other than Magma for achieving the required temperature. Rumor has it that a device specifically for boiling is being developed, but it's not yet available. *PicardFacepalm.jpg* Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 39 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said: no method other than Magma for achieving the required temperature. There are still several ways to reach the required temperature, though none of them is better than magma. Aquatuner can reach the temperature, but it will suffer overheated damage. Metal refiner also can heat its coolant liquid to the temperature without overheated damage. But since it only produces little heat, it is also useless. I'm really looking forward to the official burner. But now, I don't want to spend too much time on steam turbine. If I want to produce more electricity, I'd prefer to hire more dups and build more hamster wheels. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Miner Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 The steam turbine as it is now would make sense only with a source of heat that is renewable (perhaps burning NG + oxygen to get heat, CO2 and hot water steam) or that would be abundant and usable for thousands of cycles (like uranium ore / nuclear fuel). Any device that would make hot steam using electricity (like we could use tepidizer before) doesn't make sense. Why would you convert electrical energy into heat to convert it back into electrical energy - with losses? And it would be even more odd if it would allow to create energy out of nothing. Converting matter into energy is OK, converting energy into matter (Wheezwort, Nullifyer) is also OK. But a device which draws 960 W and outputs 20,320 W ...oh, well, hidden factor, so actually 4,064,000 W (4.064 MW)? Is that necessary? On the other side, burning 60g or natural gas (methane) per second would give (thermal) power of some 3,300,000 W (3.3 MW). Comparing that to 820 W (NGG electricity + heat) (or 4,800 W if taking the hidden factor into account) of total output power of a NGG makes me wonder: why? Why not make the generator output 3MW and the tepidizer draw 4 MW? I hope it isn't because of something like 'kids (or "gamers" or "youtubers") wouldn't be able to understand kW and MW'. The other concepts that are needed to play ONI are way more challenging, aren't they? It's "only" a very good game ... yes ... so why not? The game can and has to be fictional in many aspects - to allow to abstract chosen key concepts and aspects that relate to RL. In those key concepts and aspects it needs to (try to) stay true. Back to the steam turbine, a burner that burns NG at a rate of 60g per second (same as NGG consumption) could produce heat of some 3.3 MW which would be enough to heat and boil and heat cca. 1.35 kg of 85°C water to 255°C superheated steam per second. If the steam turbine "eats" 75°C of steam's heat (we don't have pressure here), that would be some 0.35 kJ/kg of steam, so the total power would be some 350W per kg per second of the steam that flows through the turbine. The megawatts from above are still in the 176.85°C hot steam that exits the turbine and can be used to heat more water ... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Would it be possible to use that extremely broken and unfair gold fountain exploit to get the heat for the steam turbine.I mean I already use the eletrolyzer exploit and borg cube so if that works I guess I’ll use it I also guess I could feel less bad about using it if I delete the gold when it cools with doors. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, BT_20 said: Would it be possible to use that extremely broken and unfair gold fountain exploit to get the heat for the steam turbine.I mean I already use the eletrolyzer exploit and borg cube so if that works I guess I’ll use it I also guess I could feel less bad about using it if I delete the gold when it cools with doors. No longer works as far as I know. One of the key features, and one of the reasons it was so broken, was using tiles built on top of temp shift plates. You can't do that any more. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, BT_20 said: Would it be possible to use that extremely broken and unfair gold fountain exploit to get the heat for the steam turbine.I mean I already use the eletrolyzer exploit and borg cube so if that works I guess I’ll use it I also guess I could feel less bad about using it if I delete the gold when it cools with doors. It's still working well now. Temp shift plates are not an necessary part, both refined wire bridge and metal tile are OK. The first step is using aquatuner or magma to heat the gold/copper airlock to its melting point. The second step is activating auto signal. I don't build this in my normal game, so I can only provide you a guiding save file which is totally built by debug mode. BUG-Gold Factory4.sav Maybe you could try this modified game setting. For me, a modified building is at least not worse than an unfair game exploit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 @R9MX4 I can agree with that I might have to try moding our never have before. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87636-is-it-true-that-steam-turbines-now-require-a-minimum-steam-temperature-of-175-deg-c/#findComment-1004609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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