voyager156 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 This is an amazing game - I love it I'm still learning etc & I have one question (and I can't find an answer anywhere...) On youtube guides about ONI farming, like: there are shown difrent types / levels of "yield". When I play I can't find any information about that in game. Was that removed or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 It has been removed. The current meta is to just have dupes eat raw mealwood and nothing else. If you wanna go crazy and spoil the dupes go with fried mushrooms, as it's the only sustainable high quality food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOlz Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Yes, a number of the changes to farming were rolled back. This game is changing fairly regularly, I would recommend checking youtube vids that are more current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osefcomplet Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 @Saturnus if you reduce the flow of water needed by your farms using liquid valves any food is sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, osefcomplet said: @Saturnus if you reduce the flow of water needed by your farms using liquid valves any food is sustainable. Well no. I specifically said high quality food. And all other high quality foods than fried mushrooms rely on pincha peppers. Pincha peppers requires phosphorite fertilzer which is non-renewable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osefcomplet Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1kg/cycle/plant... every maps got enough for at least 1000 cycles, it is not renewable but close enough to have fun with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyager156 Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Thank You all for the answer! Anyone know why it was rolled back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, osefcomplet said: 1kg/cycle/plant... every maps got enough for at least 1000 cycles, it is not renewable but close enough to have fun with it. I find that I run out after 200-300 cycles with 16 dupes eating stuffed berries. That's with digging up all phosphorite on the map. 1 minute ago, voyager156 said: Thank You all for the answer! Anyone know why it was rolled back? Nobody cared about it. And it was generally just a nuisance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Generally speaking I don't actively farm the items that require specific needs, instead I have the dupes put them in native areas and let them grow slow for free......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osefcomplet Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 57 minutes ago, Saturnus said: I find that I run out after 200-300 cycles with 16 dupes eating stuffed berries. That's with digging up all phosphorite on the map. You need roughly 12 pincha/dupe to make stuffed berries. If I remember well I have ~150 tonnes au phosphorite in my stock and I don't think I dug half my map (tell me if I'm crazy I might remember badly and I don't have the game right now), for 16 dupes that make ~800 cycles. And if you go for the pepper bread you get 1600. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGameDota Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, Kabrute said: Generally speaking I don't actively farm the items that require specific needs, instead I have the dupes put them in native areas and let them grow slow for free......... Natural farming? That used to be somewhat sustainable in AU but it's not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, osefcomplet said: You need roughly 12 pincha/dupe to make stuffed berries. If I remember well I have ~150 tonnes au phosphorite in my stock and I don't think I dug half my map (tell me if I'm crazy I might remember badly and I don't have the game right now), for 16 dupes that make ~800 cycles. And if you go for the pepper bread you get 1600. I did a couple of sample worlds. There's about 8 times more phosphorite than I remembered. About 380-400 tonnes on average. Regardless of the exact amount it still makes it non-renewable and therefore not sustainable. It is not like sand where even if you run out of naturally occurring sand you can basically make infinitely more. You'll run out of possible water supplies long before you run out of phosphorite, so with anything else than fried msuhrooms you'll be dupe limited. With fried mushrooms, you're only limited by the number of pufts on the map. As I recall each puft makes enough slime to sustain farms for 2.33 dupes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clickrush Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I dislike the fact that mealwood is so incredibly efficient, while all the other food sources require much more sophistication, but have a very small payoff (if any). So anything above mealwood becomes a "Since I have solved all the real problems, I can spoil my dupes with nicer food now."-thing. It would be easy to for example set a hardcap on dupe leveling based on nutrition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osefcomplet Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Regardless of the exact amount it still makes it non-renewable and therefore not sustainable. It is not like sand where even if you run out of naturally occurring sand you can basically make infinitely more. Given that they are in a meteorite which is not the safest place, I will let them enjoy their time and give good food instead of infinite unbalanced ****e to my dupes (If I play for more than 1000 cycles it is easy to go back to mealwood anyway) 51 minutes ago, clickrush said: I dislike the fact that mealwood is so incredibly efficient, while all the other food sources require much more sophistication I agree with you, but their last patch on agriculture was so bad, I prefer that one. The leveling cap is a good idea you should post it in the suggestions forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOlz Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 It's easy enough to grow sleet wheat and live off frost buns. Water and fertilizer are both renewable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 38 minutes ago, TheOlz said: It's easy enough to grow sleet wheat and live off frost buns. Water and fertilizer are both renewable. But not much better than raw mealwood food quality wise. Fried mushrooms is the only truly renewable food with a positive food quality*. That's why I use it. *Note: I can't remember the food quality of raw bristle berries on top of my head but I seem to recall it's -1 in which case it's a better choice than frost buns as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyager156 Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 22 hours ago, Saturnus said: The current meta is to just have dupes eat raw mealwood and nothing else. Why raw? Why not cook it in the microbe musher? To save the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Just now, voyager156 said: Why raw? Why not cook it in the microbe musher? To save the time? Save time spent, heat generation, and water and power consumption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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