Yikes! When did electrolyzers get so hot?

[Jumpp]

So I just noticed that the gas coming out of my electrolyzers is 70C. Last I paid close attention it was 40. How long ago did that change go in?

[GreatGameDota]

Last I checked they've always been that way (:

[GuyPerfect]

It's always been 40 for me... But I also build them on Tungsten tiles with two Wheezeworts underneath, so my mileage is probably varying

[trukogre]

11 minutes ago, GuyPerfect said:

It's always been 40 for me... But I also build them on Tungsten tiles with two Wheezeworts underneath, so my mileage is probably varying

You are incorrect, the gas comes out of your electrolyzers at 70 C.  What you are describing as your particular situation is analogous not to your mileage varying, but to your speedometer and fuel gauge being broken causing you to not know what your mileage is.

[SkunkMaster]

2 hours ago, Jumpp said:

So I just noticed that the gas coming out of my electrolyzers is 70C. Last I paid close attention it was 40. How long ago did that change go in?

And that is a good thing. Using germy water will make you germy air. That heat will help you kill of the germs. 

Just plant a few weezleworts for cooling the air, after it has become sterile.

[GuyPerfect]

17 hours ago, trukogre said:

You are incorrect, the gas comes out of your electrolyzers at 70 C.

That'd be a big noperoony:

     

I think we can agree that Hydrogen at that position in the chamber just came out of the Electrolyzer. The same chamber that is an enclosed space with three machines running in it.

I nearly took a screenshot of gas at 30-something degrees, but I let it run for a moment longer and couldn't reproduce it. I think perhaps the temperature of the Electrolyzer is influencing the temperature of its gas outputs.

[trukogre]

38 minutes ago, GuyPerfect said:

That'd be a big noperoony:

     

I think we can agree that Hydrogen at that position in the chamber just came out of the Electrolyzer. The same chamber that is an enclosed space with three machines running in it.

I nearly took a screenshot of gas at 30-something degrees, but I let it run for a moment longer and couldn't reproduce it. I think perhaps the temperature of the Electrolyzer is influencing the temperature of its gas outputs.

No, we don't agree.  The only way to measure the temperature by simply mousing over the gas is to run the electrolyzer for a split second in a vacuum.  In any other scenario, you are measuring a mixture of new gas and old gas.  If you run an electrolyzer at 20 C in a vacuum, then it takes much less than a second for the 20 C electrolyzer to significantly cool down the released gas.  Because of these factors, it is very difficult to figure out the temperature that the electrolyzer is releasing gas at, unless you run a series of controlled tests in an abyssalite container.  LIke I said before, your fuel gauge, odometer,  and speedometer are broken.

[donutman07]

electrolyzer is 55C atm cause i reset the test a couple times, but paused asap and I find 70C hyrogen and 70C oxygen.  unpaused and paused again to capture the one on the right, same deal only I was a tad slower so it was more like 68C.  The electrolyzer on the right is 34C right now. 

[MidnightSteam]

It's 70C 100% no argument there. What's happening is your hydrogen and oxygen are being cooled by the surrounding air and tiles.

[Lifegrow]

31 minutes ago, MidnightSteam said:

It's 70C 100% no argument there. What's happening is your hydrogen and oxygen are being cooled by the surrounding air and tiles.

And the big dirty hulking chunk of metal that it's spewed from in the first place  

[Coolthulhu]

3 hours ago, trukogre said:

The only way to measure the temperature by simply mousing over the gas is to run the electrolyzer for a split second in a vacuum.  In any other scenario, you are measuring a mixture of new gas and old gas.

There is one more way: looking into intermediate code. Useful for cases where the temperature is ambiguous, hard to select, or dependent on time.

But in this case it only confirms that it's 70C.

[trukogre]

7 minutes ago, Coolthulhu said:

There is one more way: looking into intermediate code. Useful for cases where the temperature is ambiguous, hard to select, or dependent on time.

But in this case it only confirms that it's 70C.

As I said before, if we limit ourselves to "simply mousing over the gas", then there is only one way to get a decent reading.  If we don't limit ourselves in such a fashion, then we have many other options.

1. looking at the code

2. Doing controlled experiements in an isolated (vacuum filled and insulated) chamber, using different initial temperatures of the electrolyzer to see which one matches the created gas.

3.  Analyzing a long run via Joule counting and then back calculating the temperature from there.

etc

 

[Rocoto]

9 hours ago, trukogre said:

1. looking at the code

 

If we look at a code, we find several references to a fixed output temperature. Here I used dotPeek to disassemble Assembly-CSharp.dll:

elementConverter.outputElements = new ElementConverter.OutputElement[2]
    {
      new ElementConverter.OutputElement(0.888f, SimHashes.Oxygen, 343.15f, false, 0.0f, 1f, false, 1f, byte.MaxValue, 0),
      new ElementConverter.OutputElement(0.112f, SimHashes.Hydrogen, 343.15f, false, 0.0f, 1f, false, 1f, byte.MaxValue, 0)
    };

The relevant information lies in the '343.15f' values, which means that the temperature is set to 343.15K = 70°C.

[trukogre]

11 hours ago, Rocoto said:

If we look at a code, we find several references to a fixed output temperature. Here I used dotPeek to disassemble Assembly-CSharp.dll:

elementConverter.outputElements = new ElementConverter.OutputElement[2]
    {
      new ElementConverter.OutputElement(0.888f, SimHashes.Oxygen, 343.15f, false, 0.0f, 1f, false, 1f, byte.MaxValue, 0),
      new ElementConverter.OutputElement(0.112f, SimHashes.Hydrogen, 343.15f, false, 0.0f, 1f, false, 1f, byte.MaxValue, 0)
    };

The relevant information lies in the '343.15f' values, which means that the temperature is set to 343.15K = 70°C.

Yes, we're quite familiar with that particular chunk of code on these forums, although you have verified that nothing has changed in recent patches.