Arlesienne Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Ladies and Gentlemen, I want to share a bit of my twisted mind with you. See this third stage of a shadow knight's development: and now please compare it with the thulecite statue commonly referred to as "the mage" during the peak of the nightmare cycle: I may be over-interpreting, but the semblance is rather striking to me. I'm wondering if Charlie isn't tinkering with the Ancients now. We have already received quite a bit of cave content, haven't we? Granted, the statue could be using a certain abstract style, but we don't know it. I'm pretty sure the shadow knight is hardly remindful of its clockwork counterpart. Out of other things, the shadow atrium (prefab: shadowheart) and fossils bug me. I'd be posting this in the lore section... if it wasn't pretty DS-only. DST still lacks such a section, so here you go. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiddoBams Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Oh god, yeah they have some very distinct similarities. The hunched over posture, the small arms from the middle of the torso, the head shape and the spines coming from the back. Wow, good job pointing this out! (Also I never realized that statue had his mouth wide open in a screaming fashion. I always thought he was biting his lip or something o.O) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Hmmmm... this is interesting. The two do look similar, but this connection is made with only 1 of the shadows instead of all 3. If all 3 of the shadows were somehow connected to the ancients then I could buy into this theory. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiddoBams Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 13 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: Hmmmm... this is interesting. The two do look similar, but this connection is made with only 1 of the shadows instead of all 3. If all 3 of the shadows were somehow connected to the ancients then I could buy into this theory. Hmm, you can kinda see a similarities between the rook and the other statue, see; The mouth, the three, somewhat weird "prongs" on the head, along with the circular vacant eyes. Its a stretch! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiddyGuy Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 @Ashkain I think you might be right, the rook has no legs and the statue has no legs, and they also both hover? I don't really know how you could describe the shadow rook's movements other than hovering, however I did think of "scooting" could be a way to describe it's movement? xD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 25 minutes ago, Ashkain said: Oh god, yeah they have some very distinct similarities. The hunched over posture, the small arms from the middle of the torso, the head shape and the spines coming from the back. Wow, good job pointing this out! (Also I never realized that statue had his mouth wide open in a screaming fashion. I always thought he was biting his lip or something o.O) I find it to be literally oozing nightmare fuel out of its body, complete with weeping it and vomiting. (I would actually love to weep something creepy when at zero sanity or close to this, but it's just wishful thinking.) 24 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: Hmmmm... this is interesting. The two do look similar, but this connection is made with only 1 of the shadows instead of all 3. If all 3 of the shadows were somehow connected to the ancients then I could buy into this theory. I'm very intrigued by the fact that while the clockwork knights were always the weakest, they now - in the shadow form - cause the most damage. AKA, they're noticeably stronger. Rooks have the most health, but don't hit as hard. Bishops are the weakest, hit-wise. 20 minutes ago, Ashkain said: Hmm, you can kinda see a similarities between the rook and the other statue, see; The mouth, the three, somewhat weird "prongs" on the head, along with the circular vacant eyes. Its a stretch! I didn't mention the head statue, even though it looks somewhat a bit like the other two shadow chesspieces. It didn't seem close enough to allow me to. Some people compare the mage to a rock lobster, but I'm not buying it. 16 minutes ago, GiddyGuy said: @Ashkain I think you might be right, the rook has no legs and the statue has no legs, and they also both hover? I don't really know how you could describe the shadow rook's movements other than hovering, however I did think of "scooting" could be a way to describe it's movement? xD I would say scooting it a very good definition . PS @ScienceMachine, I think you may find the thread interesting for your shadowbishop!William. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 25 minutes ago, Ashkain said: Oh god, yeah they have some very distinct similarities. The hunched over posture, the small arms from the middle of the torso, the head shape and the spines coming from the back. Wow, good job pointing this out! (Also I never realized that statue had his mouth wide open in a screaming fashion. I always thought he was biting his lip or something o.O) I find it to be literally oozing nightmare fuel out of its body, complete with weeping it and vomiting. (I would actually love to weep something creepy when at zero sanity or close to this, but it's just wishful thinking.) 24 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: Hmmmm... this is interesting. The two do look similar, but this connection is made with only 1 of the shadows instead of all 3. If all 3 of the shadows were somehow connected to the ancients then I could buy into this theory. I'm very intrigued by the fact that while the clockwork knights were always the weakest, they now - in the shadow form - cause the most damage. AKA, they're noticeably stronger. Rooks have the most health, but don't hit as hard. Bishops are the weakest, hit-wise. 20 minutes ago, Ashkain said: Hmm, you can kinda see a similarities between the rook and the other statue, see; The mouth, the three, somewhat weird "prongs" on the head, along with the circular vacant eyes. Its a stretch! I didn't mention the head statue, even though it looks somewhat a bit like the other two shadow chesspieces. It didn't seem close enough to allow me to. Some people compare the mage to a rock lobster, but I'm not buying it. 16 minutes ago, GiddyGuy said: @Ashkain I think you might be right, the rook has no legs and the statue has no legs, and they also both hover? I don't really know how you could describe the shadow rook's movements other than hovering, however I did think of "scooting" could be a way to describe it's movement? xD I would say scooting it a very good definition . PS @ScienceMachine, I think you may find the thread interesting for your shadowbishop!William. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 If the shadow atrium is used to reanimate the cave fossil then I'm sold. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just throwing this out there. Maxwell seems to have known the ancient guardian at one point and the clockwork rooks look and act awfully similar to the guardian. There's also a lot of broken clockworks down in the ruins. So if the clockworks are somehow connected to the ancients then the shadows would be as well even if Charlie is just twisting Maxwell's creations. So this theory doesn't seem too far-fetched when you look at the loose connections. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 32 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: Just throwing this out there. Maxwell seems to have known the ancient guardian at one point and the clockwork rooks look and act awfully similar to the guardian. There's also a lot of broken clockworks down in the ruins. So if the clockworks are somehow connected to the ancients then the shadows would be as well even if Charlie is just twisting Maxwell's creations. So this theory doesn't seem too far-fetched when you look at the loose connections. Agreed! The guardian was connected to (worshipped?) by the Ancients. Max came later, he recognises "the fuel has changed" the beast. I think he rebuilt clockworks the Ancients had. Charlie is more mind than machine. 44 minutes ago, Zeklo said: If the shadow atrium is used to reanimate the cave fossil then I'm sold. Me too! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fimmatek Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Well, as nightmares and nightmare fuel are strongly related to the ruins and the ancients, I can easily imagine that there's a connection between the new shadows and the ancient statues. Who knows what Charlie did down there, since Maxwell was dethroned? By the way, I recently watched the film "Nightmare before Christmas" again and just realised, how similar the attacking form of the shadow bishop (when he turns into bats) is to the "shadow in the moon in the night" in the beginnig song "This is Halloween"... Do you agree or is it just my imagination? I guess there isn't much more relationshiop between the film and DST, but the one could have inspired the other. This film fits the atmosphere (especially now ) of the Don't Starve world. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousKoala Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I don't feel like it's actually the ancients, but given, one is stuck in a statue and "leaking" nightmare fuel , the other is freed out of it and made out of nightmare fuel. The connection can be made, perhaps Charlie copied these statues? We've seen that all she does is add a small twist to something that came before her(for the most part at least), like making a tree, but making it have twigs rather than wood. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/71125-mostly-lore-speculation-shadow-pieces-connected-with-the-ancients/#findComment-829240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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