Is Webber too easy for soloing?

[HoveringOnions]

I am only thinking this because, I do really like Webber, 100 sanity is nothing to be afraid of from Webber, when you do stuff like this with 1 monster meat (picture)

Easy from that I had around 30 Silk, 10-15ish Monster Meat and a good bit of glands. There were a lot more nests out of range, I came back around day 17 to harvest 7-8 of the T3 nests to bring my silk farm closer to base.

Befriending spiders is a really useful trait obviously for turning them on each other, and also helping as distractions, with stuff like "false swipes" triggering them to attack a bee hives for example, so they pin cushion the damage whilst you take the honey and the honeycomb, and the loot from the battle.

If you WERE to nerf Webber, how would YOU do it? (Answer this is you would like, there is obviously no right or wrong answer!)

 

[Auth]

I wouldn't make him start with anything. I've made quite a few worlds I've had to rollback because a Webber joined on day 2 and managed to make a monstrous lag bomb with his spider den he starts with immediately. But that's just my experiences with him, personally I've never truly had much problems with the small spoder child and his abilities, probably because a webber that actually knows what they're doing is kind of uncommon in DST for me.

[HoveringOnions]

19 minutes ago, Weirdobob said:

I wouldn't make him start with anything. I've made quite a few worlds I've had to rollback because a Webber joined on day 2 and managed to make a monstrous lag bomb with his spider den he starts with immediately. But that's just my experiences with him, personally I've never truly had much problems with the small spoder child and his abilities, probably because a webber that actually knows what they're doing is kind of uncommon in DST for me.

I "kind of" know what to do. I am sincere to my fellow players, so I will only have maybe 6 nests and when they turn into t3, get them to turn on their own nests and turn them back into t1. I obviously offer my yields because obviously people can't do what I do as webber

[Auth]

15 minutes ago, HoveringOnions said:

I "kind of" know what to do. I am sincere to my fellow players, so I will only have maybe 6 nests and when they turn into t3, get them to turn on their own nests and turn them back into t1. I obviously offer my yields because obviously people can't do what I do.

Thank you for existing.

 

My worst experiences is when people join cooperative servers as Webber and they just live off by themselves. Forces me to be in a state of paranoia that they could be preparing a super spoder @#%$storm (One time, I went away from my base for 2 days, came back to several t3 dens and 2 spoder queens waddling around inside my base) or just the wasted memory of me hosting someone accidentally(or purposely, idk) making a lag bomb. Spider den size regulation is very important, especially for webbers that want to be a good team player.

[HoveringOnions]

10 minutes ago, Weirdobob said:

Thank you for existing.

 

My worst experiences is when people join cooperative servers as Webber and they just live off by themselves. Forces me to be in a state of paranoia that they could be preparing a super spoder @#%$storm (One time, I went away from my base for 2 days, came back to several t3 dens and 2 spoder queens waddling around inside my base) or just the wasted memory of me hosting someone accidentally(or purposely, idk) making a lag bomb. Spider den size regulation is very important, especially for webbers that want to be a good team player.

Haha no problem <3

Yeah, I mean, I obviously can't live with anyone when I join a server with no one on, but I always have a sign on public servers saying something along the lines of "__________ Base - Please don't steal! though you can live with me.", and a sign pointing towards the direction of my silk farm warning players.

I try and visit the nests every evening to start wars between them, and get them to attack the t3's so they won't bother me when I attack them too.

Then just turn that meat into jerky most of the time.

[ItsPizzaTime]

In the right hands, Webber can be an easy source of heals, gold, and food.

 

[HoveringOnions]

23 minutes ago, ItsPizzaTime said:

In the right hands, Webber can be an easy source of heals, gold, and food.

 

Is that SP?

 

I could only imagine someone asking if they could live with you w/o being Webber and you showing them your artifical Queens Gathering. It looks beautiful but I don't think I'd personally do something like that as Webber. I normally make it a bit away but like a 20 second walk so its easy for players on public servers to trade with me without me having to walk a long distance from my farm, since the farm isn't in "spiders gonna get cha" range.

[HoveringOnions]

I'm not an amazing Webber, but I didn't like the idea of having like a whole area being taken over my spiders, so I just found a corner near a swamp and plopped 6 down near a t2.

[ItsPizzaTime]

45 minutes ago, HoveringOnions said:

Is that SP?

 

I could only imagine someone asking if they could live with you w/o being Webber and you showing them your artifical Queens Gathering. It looks beautiful but I don't think I'd personally do something like that as Webber. I normally make it a bit away but like a 20 second walk so its easy for players on public servers to trade with me without me having to walk a long distance from my farm, since the farm isn't in "spiders gonna get cha" range.

Usually now i'll make something much smaller in scale and a screen or two away from main base and just shower my friends in silk and glands while eating raw meat every day. I play Webber when I'm lazy and Wx or Wolfgang when i really want to get things done.

Edit: Nope, this was on DST.

[HoveringOnions]

10 minutes ago, ItsPizzaTime said:

SP? And usually now i'll make something much smaller in scale and a screen or two away from main base and just shower my friends in silk and glands while eating raw meat every day. I play Webber when I'm lazy and Wx or Wolfgang when i really want to get things done.

I'm not an amazing Webber, but I didn't like the idea of having like a whole area being taken over my spiders, so I just found a corner near a swamp and plopped 6 down near a t2.

 

Singleplayer

 

I normally offer stuff like Silk for trading or Glands after someone revive me in compensation, but they normally just say "nah no ty" then die to freezing.. People are too selfless for their own good sometimes.

[ItsPizzaTime]

13 minutes ago, HoveringOnions said:

I'm not an amazing Webber, but I didn't like the idea of having like a whole area being taken over my spiders, so I just found a corner near a swamp and plopped 6 down near a t2.

 

Singleplayer

 

I normally offer stuff like Silk for trading or Glands after someone revive me in compensation, but they normally just say "nah no ty" then die to freezing.. People are too selfless for their own good sometimes.

Nope it was on DST, and in the beginning of worlds i'll trade for things i need like gears and stuff if people are willing but usually after a while I just give hand outs.

[AnonymousKoala]

Don't nerf him.

No one needs a nerf in their current state and if one does, its from the top 3(WX for the speed, light, immunity to freezing when overcharged, ignores spoilage, heals easily like that and goes insane easily like that, Wicker for her books being so great, and Wolfgang because MIGHTY MAN SMASH everything.)

[Arlesienne]

I tend to get many Webber griefers or just newbies unable to take friendly advice, but the few who play fair - @Fortie and @W3B-R, here's looking at you - are excellent and capable of saving the entire team. Besides, the cuteness of the spider kid... A perk on its own!

Overall he's probably the best-balanced character. I'd not nerf him.

[HoveringOnions]

16 hours ago, ItsPizzaTime said:

Nope it was on DST, and in the beginning of worlds i'll trade for things i need like gears and stuff if people are willing but usually after a while I just give hand outs.

Yeah I always try and do this because there is sometimes a widfrig that finds the 2 clockwork horses and the rook and she "Valhalla awaits" their asses to death.

 

When I ask for gears they said "Sure", I ask them if they need any silk because I'm presuming Widfrig most of the time doesn't make massive use out of glands if she's wearing armor when in combat.

3 hours ago, Arlesienne said:

I tend to get many Webber griefers or just newbies unable to take friendly advice, but the few who play fair - @Fortie and @W3B-R, here's looking at you - are excellent and capable of saving the entire team. Besides, the cuteness of the spider kid... A perk on its own!

Overall he's probably the best-balanced character. I'd not nerf him.

It makes me annoyed..

 

Why play a game called Don't Starve Together on a public server with strangers if you can't take the constructive criticism (friendly advice) to help yourself get better?

I've never had a Webber plant nests in front of my base or something like that, place them too close etc etc. I normally have my nests 3 maybe 4 at the most screen spaces away so people could live in my base, and if I get a spider who survived the evening massacre, I just call it Todd and he lives with me until he tries defending me from killer bees.

Frog Webber looks so adorable. 

[Rellimarual]

I've never really played as him because I dislike the spiders and wouldn't want to look like one and because I really like hiring pigs and living in pig villages. And since I main as Wig, killing my own spiders is no problem. But some of the best people I've played with are Webbers. Noobs also tend to be drawn to him, so if I start a base near the Pig King, they try to join despite warnings and have to be constantly rescued, then plant the nest right next to the base and the other characters can't just stand by the fire without getting attacked. It all depends on the player, really.

[HoveringOnions]

5 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

I've never really played as him because I dislike the spiders and wouldn't want to look like one and because I really like hiring pigs and living in pig villages. And since I main as Wig, killing my own spiders is no problem. But some of the best people I've played with are Webbers. Noobs also tend to be drawn to him, so if I start a base near the Pig King, they try to join despite warnings and have to be constantly rescued, then plant the nest right next to the base and the other characters can't just stand by the fire without getting attacked. It all depends on the player, really.

You can use a mod called Pig Manners and that stops pig from attacking Webber. Its easier* to maintain spider farms as Webber obviously since he can recruit / befriend them. Wigfrid works well too though.

[AnonymousKoala]

22 minutes ago, HoveringOnions said:

You can use a mod called Pig Manners and that stops pig from attacking Webber. Its easier* to maintain spider farms as Webber obviously since he can recruit / befriend them. Wigfrid works well too though.

Not easier. More efficient.

You get them all to kill each other in a huge bloodbath rather than trying to kill them one at a time because they all gang up on you/hope that Abigail doesnt die to hordes that Webber would've easily wiped out.

In fact, since he can upgrade dens, he can also get a bigger amount of spiders earlier than normal people would, so you can replant the den and then immediatly get it to max level for maximum spiders, repeat. Do this for not too long and you have more chests of any spider drop than you'll ever need.

[Arlesienne]

11 minutes ago, AnonymousKoala said:

Not easier. More efficient.

You get them all to kill each other in a huge bloodbath rather than trying to kill them one at a time because they all gang up on you/hope that Abigail doesnt die to hordes that Webber would've easily wiped out.

In fact, since he can upgrade dens, he can also get a bigger amount of spiders earlier than normal people would, so you can replant the den and then immediatly get it to max level for maximum spiders, repeat. Do this for not too long and you have more chests of any spider drop than you'll ever need.

The story of May Contain Toads.

[HoveringOnions]

20 minutes ago, AnonymousKoala said:

Not easier. More efficient.

You get them all to kill each other in a huge bloodbath rather than trying to kill them one at a time because they all gang up on you/hope that Abigail doesnt die to hordes that Webber would've easily wiped out.

In fact, since he can upgrade dens, he can also get a bigger amount of spiders earlier than normal people would, so you can replant the den and then immediatly get it to max level for maximum spiders, repeat. Do this for not too long and you have more chests of any spider drop than you'll ever need.

Wouldn't it be classified as both? Being able to start a war with 1 monster meat between 8 dens is more effective for resources and easier to get the resource drops

[ShadowDuelist]

12 hours ago, HoveringOnions said:

Overall he's probably the best-balanced character. I'd not nerf him.

EDIT: this was supposed to be a quote from the great @Arlesienne but the quoteblock seems to be handled by "them" and not follow anyone's commands unless you get more versed into the codex umbra.


Have my vote as well on not needing nerf, Webber is awesome, not just as a food and resources farmer, if used right he can get in "his own way" permanent bacon and eggs, unlimited tents, and enough glands to get a stack or two of healing salvo pretty early, which makes me feel like the party's witch doctor, always healing myself and sharing healing with others. Essentially Webber has the potential to be a super regenerative badass with armies of  dozens of annoying creatures always at his disposal. Even the fact that he's neutral to spider queens is a huge advantage, as they can protect you indirectly from many things.

But using most of what others mentioned or I've mentioned needs a lot of practice to accomplish, you will most likely get killed in the process as you learn your way with him, its not something you just hop in and can do the second day, and the fact that newbies using him tend to constantly get insane, get killed by pigs, or just start starving and end up getting killed by his own spiders, shows that he's in the sweet spot of having " all the potential through perks", and requiring a decent amount of practice and strategy to accomplish great things.

[HoveringOnions]

10 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Have my vote as well on not needing nerf, Webber is awesome, not just as a food and resources farmer, if used right he can get in "his own way" permanent bacon and eggs, unlimited tents, and enough glands to get a stack or two of healing salvo pretty early, which makes me feel like the party's witch doctor, always healing myself and sharing healing with others. Essentially Webber has the potential to be a super regenerative badass with armies of  dozens of annoying creatures always at his disposal. Even the fact that he's neutral to spider queens is a huge advantage, as they can protect you indirectly from many things.

But using most of what others mentioned or I've mentioned needs a lot of practice to accomplish, you will most likely get killed in the process as you learn your way with him, its not something you just hop in and can do the second day, and the fact that newbies using him tend to constantly get insane, get killed by pigs, or just start starving and end up getting killed by his own spiders, shows that he's in the sweet spot of having " all the potential through perks", and requiring a decent amount of practice and strategy to accomplish great things.

I mean one of the first things I use his silk for its Top Hat production, get a top hat ASAP and you won't need to worry about sanity.

I always do my "nest maintenance" as early in the evening as possible to prevent any way of death, try to tame the spiders from the higher tier dens, so if I do end up getting attacked, it will most probably be from the weaker ones. I don't see how you can starve to death when having a Webber Silk farm, unless you're not picking up the drops as they're fighting. You can easily turn 1 meat into 10 with just a few nests.. I had too much meat and it started going off so I just threw it out for rot on crops and started a new pile of meat.. His food source is so renewable that he can just waste his food - he probably has one of the most stable food source methods in the game.

[HoveringOnions]

9 minutes ago, HoveringOnions said:

I mean one of the first things I use his silk for its Top Hat production, get a top hat ASAP and you won't need to worry about sanity.

I always do my "nest maintenance" as early in the evening as possible to prevent any way of death, try to tame the spiders from the higher tier dens, so if I do end up getting attacked, it will most probably be from the weaker ones. I don't see how you can starve to death when having a Webber Silk farm, unless you're not picking up the drops as they're fighting. You can easily turn 1 meat into 10 with just a few nests.. I had too much meat and it started going off so I just threw it out for rot on crops and started a new pile of meat.. His food source is so renewable that he can just waste his food - he probably has one of the most stable food source methods in the game.

And I mean prevent way of death in evenings as they come out at the evening, so I don't need to attack the den and try and befriend them when warriors are trying to bite me..

 

I was playing on a new server earlier as Webber, its so nice to hear those words "There is some T3 Spider nests here" and I just shed a tear knowing how benefitical it will be to me and my friends when I manage them all.. There was 13 T3's there, 2 turned into spider queens but one of the queens turned back into a T1 really quickly, got spiders to murder her. 105 silk, 30-40 odd glands and 15-20 meat. Not alot of meat but the carnage from  17 nests fighting each other was a bit hard to collect evey single meat drop.

 

I still think Queens Gathering Set Piece is basically a Webber God-sent for the off chance that you can't set up a silk farm relatively early on, if you come across one of those bad boys you're set, they're so terrifying to see as a normal player, but as Webber its like going to a family reunion. 

[HoveringOnions]

y u do this someone :'( I guess its my first profile picture tho maybe?

 

 

[ShadowDuelist]

56 minutes ago, HoveringOnions said:

y u do this someone :'( I guess its my first profile picture tho maybe?

 

 

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[Faintly Macabre]

If all you ever want to be able to do is sustain yourself, then I guess he's too easy. If you want to do anything fun or interesting though, he quickly becomes on par with just about everybody else.