The problem of private property

[Arlesienne]

Cezarica, SuperPsiPower, this is what I mean.

I know it is rare, but my servers ALWAYS have rules written in the description. And a breakdown of them is on the group's page. If I say USE CHAT TO COMMUNICATE (Y BY DEFAULT), everyone should. It is only to help THEM after all. I host for them and the rules are for their enjoyment.

[Mikeadatrix]

11 hours ago, SuperPsiPower said:

I'm sure you wrote this with good intentions, but people won't change their ways due to a forum post that only 40% of the Don't Starve Together Community will actually read this. And why should I make a base on a PvE server that all people can access? I realize I may sound selfish, but when I make a base on public servers I only invite people to my base when I feel they know what they're doing, if not they'll leech off me and become a liability.

 

I absolutely agree on this, though I find it hard to believe someone would claim an entire biome/area to themselves and refuse to let anyone by. I mean, lets say someone based in the Triple Mactusk biome and I really wanted a cane or a tam. I'd love to see them try to stop me lol However, on the topic of resource gathering, i'd probably would beat people to getting bee boxes due to having the necessities and time to make them, and I could get more uses out of. This is more of a "First come, First serve" type of thing.

 

Give this man a medal, he knows exactly what i'm talking about.

 

It's not about solely "interacting" with other people; that's not a fact on what public servers are even for. I play on public servers that have good connection so that I can play because my PC can't even host a 2 person server, and invite some of my friends to come hang out with me and vice versa.

I 100% agree with this. Yes you should be able to limit who comes into your base. Not biome. If you wish to make a megabase, build it away from important structures, PK, Walruses, Goose nests (lol jk no one wants those). Point is. Private property is okay to a certain level. If you're a day 1 starter with over 1000 hours in DST and know what you're doing. By all means run around and try to make your own base. If you stumble upon a megabase, kindly ask to join and say that you have (insert useful items here) and can offer them in exchange for (another useful item here). If your a day 1, 0.1 hour starter, hang around portal and gather basic stuff, but don't say "were is bais". Most megabase owners know who to let in and not to. Nothing personal. Just. Hang out with people who can aid you more than just leeching off chests. Speaking of chests. It is annoying to see "Killer Gnomestars Private CHEST. NO TOUCH", the way I see it is like this, Within a megabase, build your personal room. In front of the room, put a sign saying "This is edupz' room, please ask if you need food or items, thank you." See. Easy. Overall. Be nice and play with your friends and make new ones while trying to not starve, and don't get angry is someone is a jerk to you and refuses items because you are starving and need stat items. Just calmly steal the items (jk) and burn the base (super jk please don't ban me Joe). IN ALL SERIOUSNESS. Just move on and make friends through chat by just being a nice guy. Done deal.

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

11 hours ago, SuperPsiPower said:

I'm sure you wrote this with good intentions, but people won't change their ways due to a forum post that only 40% of the Don't Starve Together Community will actually read this. And why should I make a base on a PvE server that all people can access? I realize I may sound selfish, but when I make a base on public servers I only invite people to my base when I feel they know what they're doing, if not they'll leech off me and become a liability.

 

I absolutely agree on this, though I find it hard to believe someone would claim an entire biome/area to themselves and refuse to let anyone by. I mean, lets say someone based in the Triple Mactusk biome and I really wanted a cane or a tam. I'd love to see them try to stop me lol However, on the topic of resource gathering, i'd probably would beat people to getting bee boxes due to having the necessities and time to make them, and I could get more uses out of. This is more of a "First come, First serve" type of thing.

 

It's not about solely "interacting" with other people; that's not a fact on what public servers are even for. I play on public servers that have good connection so that I can play because my PC can't even host a 2 person server, and invite some of my friends to come hang out with me and vice versa.

1) You're assuming people won't change their minds and only 40% of the community will read it based on what? I would agree that most people don't even check out the forums, but in the case of me finding someone in the game with setting private property, I would gladly direct them to this topic. You're trying to make this topic seem like a waste of time that will do or say absolutely nothing. Notentirely sure why though. Having a base set for newbies with just basic structures, such as firepits, science machine, lightning rod, crock pot, ice box is pretty important. And yeah, you are selfish. You're doing the exact opposite of what the public servers that are PvE are about. Make a base where you can come to in an emergency with some advanced structures if you want, hide it in the swamp, but if someone comes there to survive don't try and get them out of there. If they're leeching, one solution would be to simply wait long enough until they essentially die, because in this gameyou gotta take care of yourself as well.

2) If you're destroying all bee hives and taking all honey combs for yourself, considering that having just 3 bee boxes can provide you with a ton of honey very quickly in the long run... That is pretty scummy. This isn't a competition. This is a game for cooperation. Perhaps some servers might be marked as competitive or madness whilst being PvE, but don't be whacking all the pig houses and destroying all the bee hives there just because you can.

3) Then have a friend of yours host a server. Surely you all don't have crappy PCs, do you? Or if you do, well, I guess join the servers marked competitive or madness cause trying to loot everything in a social and especially cooperation oriented server is just scummy as hell.

9 hours ago, cezarica said:

No matter on what server you are playing, be it one of Klei's Official servers or a community hosted/dedicated servers, common sense rules say that you should be courteous to fellow players at all times and should take into consideration at least 2 things before opening your mouth: the amount of days that the server has and most important on what server are you actually playing.

1. If the server has like 500+ days then we can safely consider it mature and it's safe to assume the players that play often there pretty much have everything and should in theory be more than happy to share their stuff with newcomers, cos I bet they have multiple items of everything in a chest somewhere.

Now this doesn't mean you storm in the base and start picking stuff from chests as you please, like seen it happen a plenty of times in the past and I'm sure will see it again in the future. One of the common sense rules says that you have to ask for some sort of "formal" permission out of courtesy and I'm more than confident that you will be granted to sit in their base and take whatever you need. Again, some take this kindness as granted and take 40 (or all) each piles of grass, twigs, rocks, or whatever they get their greedy hands on.

2. Since this issue has raised again on a community dedicated server (this time was mine and last time was Mc's Frogland) I would like to take the opportunity to remind you that there could be some written/unwritten rules that govern how that particular server runs, rules that even if you may or may not like are set in stone and it's 110% up to the owner of the particular server on what rules he/she sets. After all he/she pays the bills for keeping the server up and running free of charge for the public to enjoy by the way. Don't like it? Go to a one of Klei's Official servers and have fun there with griefers.

Anyway.. since I play with my friends all the time our main goal is to have fun at all times. It's safe to say that neither of us has or will ever have any issues about sharing or lending their stuff with other people, as long as are asked about it out of courtesy. I for one don't see a "private" chest as a major problem like you do, and if someone has his own chest somewhere be it close to base, hidden away in a forest, in caves or whatever, where he/she dumps stuff (like clothes from previous/next season), dumped armor or weapons that will be needed in a confrontation with a giant shortly, be it current or whatever will be added later on, or whatever purpose he/she set to it. What's the difference in a Krampus Sack and a "private" chest?

Since I enjoy an Insulated Pack more than a skinned backpack or even a Krampus Sack, two of friends took their sweet time to get the required items (3 gears and Bearger's fur) and gave it to me as a surprise present, that I didn't ask for nor demanded it just to be clear. To show my gratitude towards my friends I used the slow and time consuming boomerang method to kill birds (cos I was playing Woodie) and after a lot of fruitless attempts I finally got not one but two Krampus sacks that gave them away to two friends that I knew would appreciate them a lot more than I do.

In world #2 one of the scaled chests, that where obtained in a team effort, where i was dumping my previous/next season clothes/items and didn't make a fuss if some new guy or one of my friends took one item or looked in the chest. In another i was dumping all the pig skin, rabbits puff and whatever drops we would find for easier finding and nobody was complaining he/she killed x pigs and someone was using the pig skin or rabbit puffs.

In world #3 (current one) I found only one McTusk camp (so far, hope there are more if not it sucks) and the cane I got I gave it away to a friend that remained online to play even after I left. After I slayed the first Clops on my own I gave the eye to someone that was cave spelunking, and on top of that was playing with WX-78 and he needed his hands free to fight stuff and remain dry.

Anyway, the idea was to show you that we value our fun time and we don't have issues like a "private" chest nor cause any drama cos there's a lot of land where one can put it, even in base.

I don't know about your common sense, but my common sense tells me that I should take whatever I need in basic resources in the amount I need, unless there's shortage of that resource (in which case I consider others' needs as well) but in the case of rare resources that we are also short on, I would either not touch or ask whetherto use. Yoy shouldn't need to ask for permission just to take some basic resources you need in order to survive. For all we know, someone might be dying whilst asking for permission and be dead by the end of it.

[Arlesienne]

I still ask before touching anything and sorry, there are no plans to change this. I prefer my upbringing to dying in the game. I hope nobody minds that quirk of mine.

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

6 hours ago, Arlesienne said:

Cezarica, SuperPsiPower, this is what I mean.

I know it is rare, but my servers ALWAYS have rules written in the description. And a breakdown of them is on the group's page. If I say USE CHAT TO COMMUNICATE (Y BY DEFAULT), everyone should. It is only to help THEM after all. I host for them and the rules are for their enjoyment.

Description is a **** tool; if you write a long enough description, only part of it will show up in the description of the server once you host it; nobody can read anything within the description past a certain point.

3 hours ago, Mikeadatrix said:

I 100% agree with this. Yes you should be able to limit who comes into your base. Not biome. If you wish to make a megabase, build it away from important structures, PK, Walruses, Goose nests (lol jk no one wants those). Point is. Private property is okay to a certain level. If you're a day 1 starter with over 1000 hours in DST and know what you're doing. By all means run around and try to make your own base. If you stumble upon a megabase, kindly ask to join and say that you have (insert useful items here) and can offer them in exchange for (another useful item here). If your a day 1, 0.1 hour starter, hang around portal and gather basic stuff, but don't say "were is bais". Most megabase owners know who to let in and not to. Nothing personal. Just. Hang out with people who can aid you more than just leeching off chests. Speaking of chests. It is annoying to see "Killer Gnomestars Private CHEST. NO TOUCH", the way I see it is like this, Within a megabase, build your personal room. In front of the room, put a sign saying "This is edupz' room, please ask if you need food or items, thank you." See. Easy. Overall. Be nice and play with your friends and make new ones while trying to not starve, and don't get angry is someone is a jerk to you and refuses items because you are starving and need stat items. Just calmly steal the items (jk) and burn the base (super jk please don't ban me Joe). IN ALL SERIOUSNESS. Just move on and make friends through chat by just being a nice guy. Done deal.

What. The. Actual. ****?! Okay, some of the stuff I can agree with here, but for the most part... This isn't meant to be a simulator for one, and for two, if say I make a megabase on a public server and whenever someone asks whether they can join I say "No" what then?! What are these new players supposed to do then?! No, just no! Having private bases is EVEN WORSE than private chests, considering how large a base is in comparison to one single chest placement. What the hell do you think the new Compass mechanics, Moonlens and Ocuvigil was implemented for; to let newcomers know where the base is! Yeah, it can be used for other things, but read the title of the update: "East or West, BASE is Best". Like seriously. NEVER have private bases. If someone comes into your base to survive without asking NEVER try to kick them out (unless they're griefing), even if they're leeching; them starving or being killed to death will show them how leeching works in this game. If you want a base where newcomers and leechers won't typically come to, hide the base in like swamp or something, but DON'T EVER make it private. This is a game meant for cooperation not goddamn hunger games for **** sake (unless the server is PvP and marked competitive/madness)!

And for crying out loud; A base is not supposed to be a hotel! In a public server, people are ought to come and leave anyways, so, what? Are we supposed to leave their private rooms to them as landfill if they never come back after a few days? What if they're holding onto all of the few resources that cannot be multiplied, like Pan flutes/Mandrakes and have made it their private property/placed it in their private room? Can we barge in then to check?

And what about people like me? As you might know, I am a highly cooperation-supportive player, who will help others out, teach, make sure newbies get even the most basic support near the portal when I can etc. And based on what you've said and what I've described in the way I play the game... I would be considered a thieving scumbag! Like what the actual ****?!

Your post has so many holes in it. Think about the things I've pointed out and REALLY think about this, because you've left so many questions unanswered with your points in favor of private property that still need to be addressed that your argument just completely falls apart!

[Arlesienne]

7 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

Description is a **** tool; if you write a long enough description, only part of it will show up in the description of the server once you host it; nobody can read anything within the description past a certain point.

I will pretend your post above does not imply me being an ignorant. Of course there is a description limit. This is why I fit this limit, obviously. If one uses words well enough, everything can be done. It's not a problem to ask for the details in the lounge. And I hesitate to wonder why your post has the asterisks.

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

2 hours ago, Arlesienne said:

I still ask before touching anything and sorry, there are no plans to change this. I prefer my upbringing to dying in the game. I hope nobody minds that quirk of mine.

If you yourself ask others, I don't care. But if I'm dying/in need of basic resources, I will no doubt check any chest I want just to find something basic to survive (depending on how much of each resource in chests we generally have, ofc) and if you make me ask/kick me or do whatever for just the basic stuff when I can just take it myself and really need it whilst there's pletra of resources in what you would label as your base, then shame on you.

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

11 minutes ago, Arlesienne said:

I will pretend your post above does not imply me being an ignorant. Of course there is a description limit. This is why I fit this limit, obviously. If one uses words well enough, everything can be done. It's not a problem to ask for the details in the lounge. And I hesitate to wonder why your post has the asterisks.

I really wonder about you... You still haven't provided me with an information on what you usually hold onto for usage in your inventory (if you don't want to tell me, that's fine, but then I can't continue on expanding on the one argument I had in one of the posts I made previously). Could you tell me what the description of the rules or whatever is for your server? Cause I'm really curious to know how you could fit all of the rules you've set for your server within something like a 40 character limit. Or perhaps just tell me the name of your server, even in a PM if you don't want the info going public?

Edit: Also sorry for double posting, everybody; for some reason the posts didn't merge and I cannot copy/cut quote boxes.

[Arlesienne]

17 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

I really wonder about you... You still haven't provided me with an information on what you usually hold onto for usage in your inventory (if you don't want to tell me, that's fine, but then I can't continue on expanding on the one argument I had in one of the posts I made previously). Could you tell me what the description of the rules or whatever is for your server? Cause I'm really curious to know how you could fit all of the rules you've set for your server within something like a 40 character limit. Or perhaps just tell me the name of your server, even in a PM if you don't want the info going public?

I always need the basics: grass, twigs, logs, flint, rocks. Then something for healing, armour, weapons, some sort of food, my thermal stone, my umbrella AND warm clothes (most of the time). Preferably Chester's eyebone/Hutch's fishbowl. This is because of what character I usually play. What is crucial is the basics are multiplied when I play with more than friends. People ask me for stuff.

You have 14 slots by default. Count: one stack of the basic resources (five), healing, armour, weapons, food (let's even pretend it's jerky as it stacks nicely), thermal stone, umbrella, Chester's eyebone/Hutch's fishbowl, something warm (let's even make it easy for you and pretend it's a hat OR a vest). See?

My default description is: Heavily co-op, chat required (Y by default). EN/PL/ES supported by host. Say hello, ask for help. Newbie-friendly.

Click my signature, get the list of servers. You're welcome.

20 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

If you yourself ask others, I don't care. But if I'm dying/in need of basic resources, I will no doubt check any chest I want just to find something basic to survive (depending on how much of each resource in chests we generally have, ofc) and if you make me ask/kick me or do whatever for just the basic stuff when I can just take it myself and really need it whilst there's pletra of resources in what you would label as your base, then shame on you.

I honestly believe people, as a rule of thumb, use more than just their glands of various types. AKA, they can choose whether it's more important for them to increase their effectiveness or be polite. I would force-feed a character with a grumbling animation. But the only person who knows your stats all the time is you, so asking for help is actually more effective than running around looking for chests (if we're running a scenario you are in trouble).

23 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

Description is a **** tool; if you write a long enough description, only part of it will show up in the description of the server once you host it; nobody can read anything within the description past a certain point.

What. The. Actual. ****?! Okay, some of the stuff I can agree with here, but for the most part... This isn't meant to be a simulator for one, and for two, if say I make a megabase on a public server and whenever someone asks whether they can join I say "No" what then?! What are these new players supposed to do then?! No, just no! Having private bases is EVEN WORSE than private chests, considering how large a base is in comparison to one single chest placement. What the hell do you think the new Compass mechanics, Moonlens and Ocuvigil was implemented for; to let newcomers know where the base is! Yeah, it can be used for other things, but read the title of the update: "East or West, BASE is Best". Like seriously. NEVER have private bases. If someone comes into your base to survive without asking NEVER try to kick them out (unless they're griefing), even if they're leeching; them starving or being killed to death will show them how leeching works in this game. If you want a base where newcomers and leechers won't typically come to, hide the base in like swamp or something, but DON'T EVER make it private. This is a game meant for cooperation not goddamn hunger games for **** sake (unless the server is PvP and marked competitive/madness)!

And for crying out loud; A base is not supposed to be a hotel! In a public server, people are ought to come and leave anyways, so, what? Are we supposed to leave their private rooms to them as landfill if they never come back after a few days? What if they're holding onto all of the few resources that cannot be multiplied, like Pan flutes/Mandrakes and have made it their private property/placed it in their private room? Can we barge in then to check?

And what about people like me? As you might know, I am a highly cooperation-supportive player, who will help others out, teach, make sure newbies get even the most basic support near the portal when I can etc. And based on what you've said and what I've described in the way I play the game... I would be considered a thieving scumbag! Like what the actual ****?!

Your post has so many holes in it. Think about the things I've pointed out and REALLY think about this, because you've left so many questions unanswered with your points in favor of private property that still need to be addressed that your argument just completely falls apart!

Honestly... I doubt anyone is accusing you of, as you said, thieving. But I do vehemently disagree with the emotional baggage of the post above. If I'm not mistaken, the asterisks indicate the censored expletives. The amount of exclamation marks alone is jarring. There is no point to being so authoritative. You, just like everyone else, are here to engage in a mature discussion - that's the forums' purpose. So let's calm down and return to a more formal conduct, everyone. Thank you in advance.

PS There is nothing saying the new objects are to guide newbies. They are to mark areas, not necessarily be the lights of the highway. And if someone decides to leech off a group, pray tell: is it a good idea to let them (especially if it is survival, so any ghost drains sanity)? Wouldn't it encourage force-feeding them monster lasagna, for instance? You're so concerned with possibilities of griefing. I think it's an argument you ought to consider.

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

8 minutes ago, Arlesienne said:

I always need the basics: grass, twigs, logs, flint, rocks. Then something for healing, armour, some sort of food, my thermal stone, my umbrella AND warm clothes (most of the time). This is because of what character I usually play. What is crucial is the basics are multiplied when I play with more than friends. People ask me for stuff.

My default description is: Heavily co-op, chat required (Y by default). EN/PL/ES supported by host. Say hello, ask for help. Newbie-friendly.

Click my signature, get the list of servers. You're welcome.

Hmm, okay. By helping newbies do you mean just bring resources to the portal and perhaps teaching them a few things about the game on an occasion or do you mean like proper taking care of them to a point where you're feeding them, getting food for all of them all the time or something etc.? Also, when you bring resources, what and how much do you usually bring to the portal? Because I have a few suggestions for that... But first, I'll list down what I typically carry.

I typically have pretty much the stuff you have on my inventory. Not sure if you carry a piggy back when you can, but I know I do. In the case of resources I usually have on me at all times (when well-ready that is):

* A half to a stack of flint, grass, logs, twigs

* Backpack/Piggyback/Krampus sack on my torso

* Winter hat OR Tam-o-shanter

* Thermal stone if it's Summer or Winter

* Eyebrella or Umbrella

* 2 pieces of head armour (one on my head most times)

* Possibly a piece of torso armour in my backpack

* Walking cane in hand and 1 - 2 pieces of weaponry

* Some food (can take 1 or two inventory slots, depending on how much food we have overall)

* A lantern

* Rocks and gold (Only if I'm Wigfrid and we're not low on these resources)

 

This means, that if you consider that I have 3 of the above items in my equip slots, the stuff that I've listed would take about 14 - 16 slots. I might sometimes have some tools on me (e.g. hammer ) and an ice stave as well as a luxury fan, though it's not something I always have on me in case for whatever reason I need to free up some slots. So, I could have, on average a filled up pockets and an empty backpack.

So, onto some suggestions in bringing stuff to newbies. If you're carrying resources to portal, it's better to have scaled chests there rather than the normal ones. Since you can farm scales from Dragonfly, this shouldn't be a problem. Plop down perhaps 2 - 3 scaled chests near the portal. Then, fill them with the following items:

* Winter hats/Rabbit Earmuffs (late-game it's preferable and easier to obtain Winter hats and the resources for making a bunch of them require less inventory slots to carry... I'll talk more about this in a bit)

* Straw hats

* Whirly fans

* Axes

Firstly, don't craft these items until you actually get to the portal; you can then carry their resources to save up space and fill chests with more of these things. If there's 3 scaled chests, then each chest would have 3 of each of the listed items, totaling of 9 per item each time being necessary to make more or less each time you go to the portal to fill up chests (so for 9 new players IF it's not Autumn). This would mean that to make all of this, you would need 36 beefalo wool, 36 silk,118 grass, 27 twigs, 9 petals and 9 flint. That's roughly 7 slots taken up. With the stuff I've listed that I carry, even with a backpack, this should be enough to be brought to the portal without me dumping any of my normal resources. Leaving fuel by the firepits for people to fuel them (e.g. boards) isn't that great of an idea, due to combustion and looters/noobs who will take anything on the ground they see. This is where the axe comes in; there should be spread-out trees near the portal, meaning they can chop down some trees and fuel their fire, whilst possibly losing some health if they don't take any survival resources and use them during harsh seasons. If they're completely noob, well, the game taking care of them isn't what you should be worried about. In terms of resurrection, you could take some red gems, nightmare fuel and gold. And yeah, you might need to dump some stuff away, but you know something; if someone takes your flint, logs, grass and twigs... Well, why would you care? Unless you're low on them, there's no reason to worry about it! Unless it's eyebrella, everything else can easily be obtained again late game; even tam-o-shanters and walking canes! Like I swear, the amount of tams and tusks some of the players get with whom I've played with, you could distribute them to like every new player that joins! I mean, you're just making a trip to the portal anyway, which will take you like... a day to there and back.

 

And yeah, my method of bringing stuff to newcomers might not be the best out there, and I'm sure there are better resources you could dump in there, but it's something you can do efficiently without breaking so much sweat. Consider that I carry about as much stuff as you do and I've never needed to make any "private chests". If I ever dumped any stuff, however, I would dump them in a backpack and let others know about it, since backpacks aren't really landfill and can be dropped one over another, where as chests can't.

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

58 minutes ago, Arlesienne said:

I honestly believe people, as a rule of thumb, use more than just their glands of various types. AKA, they can choose whether it's more important for them to increase their effectiveness or be polite. I would force-feed a character with a grumbling animation. But the only person who knows your stats all the time is you, so asking for help is actually more effective than running around looking for chests (if we're running a scenario you are in trouble).

Honestly... I doubt anyone is accusing you of, as you said, thieving. But I do vehemently disagree with the emotional baggage of the post above. If I'm not mistaken, the asterisks indicate the censored expletives. The amount of exclamation marks alone is jarring. There is no point to being so authoritative. You, just like everyone else, are here to engage in a mature discussion - that's the forums' purpose. So let's calm down and return to a more formal conduct, everyone. Thank you in advance.

PS There is nothing saying the new objects are to guide newbies. They are to mark areas, not necessarily be the lights of the highway. And if someone decides to leech off a group, pray tell: is it a good idea to let them (especially if it is survival, so any ghost drains sanity)? Wouldn't it encourage force-feeding them monster lasagna, for instance? You're so concerned with possibilities of griefing. I think it's an argument you ought to consider.

1) Not entirely sure what you're saying with the first two sentences. As for the rest, I would too feed a newbie who's stomach is grumbling. But just a few times, before I give up on them as it is their won fault for just running around, and generally doing nothing other than standing near a firepit and possibly occasionally checking for food if they pay that much attention to their character. Quite often, leechers just exit the game; quite often I see many leaving the game when they die the first time. Not entirely sure why (rage quit? think it's perma-death?), but many do so. Plus, making a telltale heart and eating a piece of pierogi is much easier and less stressful than trying to just baby-sit somebody for a long time. I'd say, if they don't want to learn, let the game punish them.

2) I didn't say he's accusing me, but that based on what he's said and based on what I've described I would do, I would technically be a thief. And yeah, I might have exploded a bit there, sorry for that, but would you mind also to address the points I've made, considering that you said you disagree with them?

3) What I said in my previous post; address my points pls. Because I am not entirely sure if you read what I said, but I clearly stated: " What the hell do you think the new Compass mechanics, Moonlens and Ocuvigil was implemented for; to let newcomers know where the base is! Yeah, it can be used for other things, but read the title of the update: "East or West, BASE is Best". As I might have mentioned before; let them stay, but if they keep dying and don't want to learn, leave them dead. The sanity drain isn't that big of a deal either, especially if you have others around who are alive to keep it from being so significant or actually drain sanity. Tamoshanter or even a top hat can deal with it anyway. Plus, you can essentially just kick them if a leecher insists on being resurrected after like 5 times of dying due to sitting near a firepit and doing nothing.

[Mikeadatrix]

2 hours ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

Description is a **** tool; if you write a long enough description, only part of it will show up in the description of the server once you host it; nobody can read anything within the description past a certain point.

What. The. Actual. ****?! Okay, some of the stuff I can agree with here, but for the most part... This isn't meant to be a simulator for one, and for two, if say I make a megabase on a public server and whenever someone asks whether they can join I say "No" what then?! What are these new players supposed to do then?! No, just no! Having private bases is EVEN WORSE than private chests, considering how large a base is in comparison to one single chest placement. What the hell do you think the new Compass mechanics, Moonlens and Ocuvigil was implemented for; to let newcomers know where the base is! Yeah, it can be used for other things, but read the title of the update: "East or West, BASE is Best". Like seriously. NEVER have private bases. If someone comes into your base to survive without asking NEVER try to kick them out (unless they're griefing), even if they're leeching; them starving or being killed to death will show them how leeching works in this game. If you want a base where newcomers and leechers won't typically come to, hide the base in like swamp or something, but DON'T EVER make it private. This is a game meant for cooperation not goddamn hunger games for **** sake (unless the server is PvP and marked competitive/madness)!

And for crying out loud; A base is not supposed to be a hotel! In a public server, people are ought to come and leave anyways, so, what? Are we supposed to leave their private rooms to them as landfill if they never come back after a few days? What if they're holding onto all of the few resources that cannot be multiplied, like Pan flutes/Mandrakes and have made it their private property/placed it in their private room? Can we barge in then to check?

And what about people like me? As you might know, I am a highly cooperation-supportive player, who will help others out, teach, make sure newbies get even the most basic support near the portal when I can etc. And based on what you've said and what I've described in the way I play the game... I would be considered a thieving scumbag! Like what the actual ****?!

Your post has so many holes in it. Think about the things I've pointed out and REALLY think about this, because you've left so many questions unanswered with your points in favor of private property that still need to be addressed that your argument just completely falls apart!

Oh my Christ. Wow... What? Wow......... I can't even... I'm going to calmly state 2 things. This is my opinion. You can accept or deny it. You denied and decided to make rude comments INSULTING my playstyle and the way me and many of my friends play the game. That's a very inconsiderate and unprofessional state of mind. Secondly, watch your mouth please. This is forum for civilised human beings, not 4chan. Please don't make me get @JoeW involved...

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

26 minutes ago, Mikeadatrix said:

Oh my Christ. Wow... What? Wow......... I can't even... I'm going to calmly state 2 things. This is my opinion. You can accept or deny it. You denied and decided to make rude comments INSULTING my playstyle and the way me and many of my friends play the game. That's a very inconsiderate and unprofessional state of mind. Secondly, watch your mouth please. This is forum for civilised human beings, not 4chan. Please don't make me get @JoeW involved...

I already apologized in my last post and hmm, you're asking me not to make you get him involved, right when you get him involved... sorry what? Anyway, opinion is opinion; it's something not backed up by anything other than feeeeeeeels. I'm trying to reason here and trying to explain how big of a problem it is. I don't want to join every new server and I'm sure many others don't too, worrying about something being somebody's private property whilst at the same time dying. I've explained to you my reasons, you rejected them with your opinions. No offense, but that's great stuff in demonstrating ignorance. Please, could you use opinion at times when it's a matter of subjectivity and use your reason at times when it's a matter of objectivity?

[WillowCrocker]

[Mikeadatrix]

41 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

I already apologized in my last post and hmm, you're asking me not to make you get him involved, right when you get him involved... sorry what? Anyway, opinion is opinion; it's something not backed up by anything other than feeeeeeeels. I'm trying to reason here and trying to explain how big of a problem it is. I don't want to join every new server and I'm sure many others don't too, worrying about something being somebody's private property whilst at the same time dying. I've explained to you my reasons, you rejected them with your opinions. No offense, but that's great stuff in demonstrating ignorance. Please, could you use opinion at times when it's a matter of subjectivity and use your reason at times when it's a matter of objectivity?

Don't worry about that. Just inserting a watchful eye for dire times. I didn't see your apology. Weird. Anywho. I forgive your behavior. Dunno how I'm to blame for having an opinion in a post dedicated to an opinion. Just be sure to watch your mouth, pumpkin...

[K5dV]

On a Mobile device. This post may contain typos. 

If I'm on a pub, my usual tactic is to base in a savannah and make a bunch of farms to maximize Applied Horticulture (I usually play Wickerbottom). 

Whenever I build these farms, I put a sign beside them basically stating:

"You can harvest crops, but please replant and don't touch my chests".

I don't care if somebody comes to the base and takes a bunch of my crops for food. But I do care if somebody comes and takes all the stuff in my chests 'because they needed it to survive'. 

It might seem selfish to not share my belongings, but I spent time gathering them. Just because the game is supposed to be about cooperation doesn't mean people should get to swing by your base and empty out your chests. 

I totally think people have a right to private chests.

 

 

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

1 hour ago, MiniKeeper said:

On a Mobile device. This post may contain typos. 

If I'm on a pub, my usual tactic is to base in a savannah and make a bunch of farms to maximize Applied Horticulture (I usually play Wickerbottom). 

Whenever I build these farms, I put a sign beside them basically stating:

"You can harvest crops, but please replant and don't touch my chests".

I don't care if somebody comes to the base and takes a bunch of my crops for food. But I do care if somebody comes and takes all the stuff in my chests 'because they needed it to survive'. 

It might seem selfish to not share my belongings, but I spent time gathering them. Just because the game is supposed to be about cooperation doesn't mean people should get to swing by your base and empty out your chests. 

I totally think people have a right to private chests.

 

 

Once again, an opinion over reason. The more people do this, the crappier everything will be. Why is everybody clunging to their opinion so badly and selfishly and take for granted what's going on?

If I was dying, found your base, I would take whatever I need. You gathering those resources doesn't make them yours. If I gathered every single mandrake, every single piece of pig skin from hammering pig houses, every single honey comb from all of the world's bee hives, would that make them all mine because I put in the effort for it? You see, effort goes just so far to a point where you need to shut the door with it; need is much more important and especially in this game since it's about cooperation and especially in the case of social/cooperative labeled PvE public servers.

[Mikeadatrix]

20 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

Once again, an opinion over reason. The more people do this, the crappier everything will be. Why is everybody clunging to their opinion so badly and selfishly and take for granted what's going on?

If I was dying, found your base, I would take whatever I need. You gathering those resources doesn't make them yours. If I gathered every single mandrake, every single piece of pig skin from hammering pig houses, every single honey comb from all of the world's bee hives, would that make them all mine because I put in the effort for it? You see, effort goes just so far to a point where you need to shut the door with it; need is much more important and especially in this game since it's about cooperation and especially in the case of social/cooperative labeled PvE public servers.

kk sounds good m8

What's your steam so I can play with you and do EXACTLY what you proposed here? I'll make sure to eat redcaps so I'll ALWAYS be on the verge of death. Now is that fun or what?!

 

Sarcasm is bliss.

[CaptainChaotica]

Oh good CHRIST.

I am _so_ phracking glad I started ignoring your posts, Eudedewhatever.  Even the pieces I see quoted in other people's piss me off.  Every single last thing you ever say is so NEGATIVE!  You criticize, you yell, you call other people idiots, you say people can't have an opinion other than yours--on a SUBJECTIVE MATTER--without being "ignorant", you constantly complain about trivialities and every single time anybody disagrees with you, you get INSANELY nasty!

Oh, and by the way, your signature doesn't work.  It's not gonna excuse you or get you out of any trouble.  You ARE being a jerk and shoving things down our throats.  Just stating your opinion strongly does NOT have to include insulting the opinions of others.

Seriously, you're one of the nastiest people here.  Others have figured out how to have be respectful, discuss their opinions without ranting and yeling insults...even crack jokes and be _happy_ every now and then!  Why can't you?

Yeah, this'll probably get deleted.  I don't care.

By the way, I agree with everybody else.  Sometimes people SHOULD have a right to keep stuff for themselves.  Stuff they took a long time gathering, might have had to travel a long way for, do a lot of searching, have really good luck.  Stuff that THEY took the WORK to get.

You want stuff?  Then HELP OUT rather than just taking.

...Notorious

[K5dV]

53 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

If I was dying, found your base, I would take whatever I need.

Stealing from other people's bases to save yourself is an easy way to ruin the game for others.

You gathering those resources doesn't make them yours.

In most cases, yes, it does. If I kill a Deerclops alone, that eyeball belongs to me and me alone.

 

Responses are in bold.

[Mikeadatrix]

32 minutes ago, CaptainChaotica said:

Oh good CHRIST.

I am _so_ phracking glad I started ignoring your posts, Eudedewhatever.  Even the pieces I see quoted in other people's piss me off.  Every single last thing you ever say is so NEGATIVE!  You criticize, you yell, you call other people idiots, you say people can't have an opinion other than yours--on a SUBJECTIVE MATTER--without being "ignorant", you constantly complain about trivialities and every single time anybody disagrees with you, you get INSANELY nasty!

Oh, and by the way, your signature doesn't work.  It's not gonna excuse you or get you out of any trouble.  You ARE being a jerk and shoving things down our throats.  Just stating your opinion strongly does NOT have to include insulting the opinions of others.

Seriously, you're one of the nastiest people here.  Others have figured out how to have be respectful, discuss their opinions without ranting and yeling insults...even crack jokes and be _happy_ every now and then!  Why can't you?

Yeah, this'll probably get deleted.  I don't care.

By the way, I agree with everybody else.  Sometimes people SHOULD have a right to keep stuff for themselves.  Stuff they took a long time gathering, might have had to travel a long way for, do a lot of searching, have really good luck.  Stuff that THEY took the WORK to get.

You want stuff?  Then HELP OUT rather than just taking.

...Notorious

Preach... PREACH! SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS! I'M NOT CRAZY!!

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

42 minutes ago, Mikeadatrix said:

kk sounds good 

What's your steam so I can play . with you and do EXACTLY what you proposed here? I'll make sure to eat redcaps so I'll ALWAYS be on the verge of death. Now is that fun or what?!

 

Sarcasm is bliss.

You for real? You already know how I feel about people who don't bother playing the game for themselves, so why this?

36 minutes ago, CaptainChaotica said:

Oh good CHRIST.

I am _so_ phracking glad I started ignoring your posts, Eudedewhatever.  Even the pieces I see quoted in other people's piss me off.  Every single last thing you ever say is so NEGATIVE!  You criticize, you yell, you call other people idiots, you say people can't have an opinion other than yours--on a SUBJECTIVE MATTER--without being "ignorant", you constantly complain about trivialities and every single time anybody disagrees with you, you get INSANELY nasty!

Oh, and by the way, your signature doesn't work.  It's not gonna excuse you or get you out of any trouble.  You ARE being a jerk and shoving things down our throats.  Just stating your opinion strongly does NOT have to include insulting the opinions of others.

Seriously, you're one of the nastiest people here.  Others have figured out how to have be respectful, discuss their opinions without ranting and yeling insults...even crack jokes and be _happy_ every now and then!  Why can't you?

Yeah, this'll probably get deleted.  I don't care.

By the way, I agree with everybody else.  Sometimes people SHOULD have a right to keep stuff for themselves.  Stuff they took a long time gathering, might have had to travel a long way for, do a lot of searching, have really good luck.  Stuff that THEY took the WORK to get.

You want stuff?  Then HELP OUT rather than just taking.

...Notorious

The reason I exploded was because I was shocked from what Mikeadatrix said. I already addressed the point of  effort. Not sure if you have read it, but if you have, then address it. And no, I don't always yell at people for having a different opinion than mine. There's just time for opinion and there's time for reason. Here is no time for opinions. And yeah, I am negative most times. But so what? So what if I'm negative? At least if I'm negative and look at things from the bad angle, whilst none else does, I can find problems most people wouldn't even notice until it's way too late.

If what I've said is based purely on opinion then explain to me... When does something stop being an opinion and become reason? They are not one and the same; opinionis as I see it is based on someone's liking, preference, feel, it is subjective, whilst reason can be speculation, facts, logic to some extent, something you don't base off of feelings, but rather on what you know. So tell me, if you know, how could I become more objective?

And I am happy and crack jokes every now and then. Just that here it is a serious matter, whilst everyone else thinks meh of it it seems.

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

34 minutes ago, MiniKeeper said:

Responses are in bold.

1) How? Taking and using anything can "ruin the game for others" based on what little explenation you've provided. I for one take what I need and help others. You can't do it the other way round, that's also why taking what you need is necessary.

2) In the case of Deerclops perhaps, though what if you already have eyebrella and shootius is placed? It's just find for you to have two eyebrellas whilst everyone else is dying from heat/rain? What about beehives and pig skin that I talked about before? I've seen plenty of peopleisolating themselves because of griefing, but also being total assholes because they think it's just fine to hammer down all the pig houses to get all the pig skin they want in a public PvE. No, it is not fine; you're making the resource extinct and claiming it yours, ruining others' game. I'm quite surprised hiow you can see the game being ruined by people not taking into consideration private property, but cannot see it being ruined by people taking it into consideration (this sentence might take a bit of mind boggling to get). Then again, I might be like that vice versa, so because of that, I'll be awaiting your response if you have more to say about this matter.

[fb03]

Personally, I wouldn't like if I put hours in getting stuff for a, say, shadow manipulator, and then someone comes and takes that because "they needed a shadow manipulator too, to survive." Not sharing base with other people it's not being selfish. The game it's about surviving, not cooperating. I don't see any description of the game that states, "You absolutely have to cooperate with others, or you will be considered a selfish person who only cares about yourself." anyone has their own playstyle.

Sorry if I sound rude, or stuff like that. I'm not really in a good mood these days.

And sorry for the bad English, too.

[Scoobie101]

43 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

Just that here it is a serious matter, whilst everyone else thinks meh of it it seems.

At the end of the day, it's just a game. I don't think it's a life or death situation that everyone needs a straight face to discuss...