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The Beaver Needs A Buff

Mario384

Buff The Beaver?  

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  1. 1. You would like to see the Werebeaver buffed in DST?

    • Yes
      100
    • No
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glitterfr33ze

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56 minutes ago, Mario384 said:

Beefalo Riding is awful right now, and they should improve it, but they should focus on actually fixing things already in-game before making ones.  Willow was cursed by this, as she's still awful.  Not to mention how Maxwell's design is not as interesting as it could've been.

Willow's nerf hurts to think about, she's almost all disadvantages. I've never played Woodie much but I can imagine it sucks almost as bad.

Subscriber01236

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10 minutes ago, 9screamingkittens said:

Willow's nerf hurts to think about, she's almost all disadvantages. I've never played Woodie much but I can imagine it sucks almost as bad.

Woodie himself is in a pretty good place right now I'd say (Lucy, Planting Tree Sanity, Befriending, Winter Beard, I'd personally say I prefer DST Woodie, even with useless werebeaver), but DST Werebeaver is pretty useless, only really good for going insane fast to farm Nightmare Fuel and acting as a multi tool when chopping down a forest or something.

Besides the constant wood drain (especially during Full Moons) I'd say Woodie is pretty much always in a good spot if you can keep the werebeaver at bay, though not really overally exceptional at anything besides gathering, which some can argue Maxwell is better at.

Woodie is still best character.

Axehilt

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9 minutes ago, TheKingofSquirrels said:

How would it more prone to grieff?

At the moment, with Wolfgang or Wickerbottom being OP is ****, it would be nice to have another character that isn't utterly useless in PVP. If anything this would balance the scales a bit.

Is that a trick question?  When you don't drop your stuff, it can't be picked up and therefore you are much more protected against griefing.

Let's not dwell on this possibility, since there are literally thousands of ways Woodie could be improved that don't increase griefing.

As for your last bit, this post is a breakdown of why DST is a PVE-focused game which will never provide good PVP. Because the game's strength is PVE, and because of the game's obvious theme (Don't Starve Together) most players play PVE.  And because of that, PVE considerations take priority when making balance changes to the game.  (And I point it out in that other post, but it's worth repeating here: DST's PVP being bad just doesn't matter, because it's a fantastic PVE game and better PVP options exist. It's generally preferable to do one thing well, and DST does PVE very well.)

Axehilt

Axehilt

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44 minutes ago, 9screamingkittens said:

Willow's nerf hurts to think about, she's almost all disadvantages. I've never played Woodie much but I can imagine it sucks almost as bad.

Woodie is way better off than Willow currently, but yeah Wes and her deserve some balance love (and there's no reason Woodie shouldn't get a smaller bump of his own.)

TheKingofSquirrels

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8 minutes ago, Axehilt said:

Woodie is way better off than Willow currently, but yeah Wes and her deserve some balance love (and there's no reason Woodie shouldn't get a smaller bump of his own.)

Wes should remain as he is I feel, he is worthless, that's the whole point of his character. It's a character for masochists. 

I can't stand Willow. If you want to go insane, it's impossible without freezing. It sucks.

GiddyGuy

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1 hour ago, TheKingofSquirrels said:

How would it more prone to grieff?

At the moment, with Wolfgang or Wickerbottom being OP is ****, it would be nice to have another character that isn't utterly useless in PVP. If anything this would balance the scales a bit.

I think this game was made for cooperation, not killing each other which is why some characters aren't meant for the fray.

43 minutes ago, Axehilt said:

but yeah Wes and her deserve some balance love

That offends me as a Kleisochist good sir and or madam.

Axehilt

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30 minutes ago, GiddyGuy said:

That offends me as a Kleisochist good sir and or madam.

When Wes is balanced, you can set up masochistic server settings (or join an existing one) and enjoy your masochism with EVERY character instead of just one.  It's a much better situation for everyone (masochists and regular players alike.)

Mario384

Mario384

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2 minutes ago, Axehilt said:

When Wes is balanced, you can set up masochistic server settings (or join an existing one) and enjoy your masochism with EVERY character instead of just one.  It's a much better situation for everyone (masochists and regular players alike.)

Remember kids; Wes is supposed to suck.

Axehilt

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3 minutes ago, Mario384 said:

Remember kids; Wes is supposed to suck.

As in all games, the game would be objectively more interesting with a balanced cast of characters who each have a distinct playstyle than with an unbalanced set where some are much stronger or weaker than others.  Balance creates game depth, which is the most common way games are fun to players (A Theory of Fun, Koster, 2004).

Mario384

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2 minutes ago, Axehilt said:

As in all games, the game would be objectively more interesting with a balanced cast of characters who each have a distinct playstyle than with an unbalanced set where some are much stronger or weaker than others.  Balance creates game depth, which is the most common way games are fun to players (A Theory of Fun, Koster, 2004).

REMEMBER KIDS, WES IS SUPPOSED TO SUCK.

Axehilt

Axehilt

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7 minutes ago, Mario384 said:

REMEMBER KIDS, WES IS SUPPOSED TO SUCK.

Why not discuss things in a mature manner instead?  The point I made was rooted in game design experience, and describes a trait that nearly all successful games share.  DST is successful because of that trait too, but just because something is good doesn't mean it can't be improved.

8 minutes ago, GiddyGuy said:

@Axehilt & @Mario384 could we please stay on topic.

Tumalu made most of the best points early on, so there isn't much left to the original topic.

So (as is typical) conversation spread outward from there.  It's weird to insist others stay on topic.  It's extra weird when 3/5ths of your own posts haven't been on-topic.

GiddyGuy

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3 minutes ago, Axehilt said:

It's extra weird when 3/5ths of your own posts haven't been on-topic.

Yeah but I didn't go on and on, and I was referring to the both of you, anyway I have better things to do than talk about satire so I bid thee adieu

DarkXero

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1 hour ago, Axehilt said:

The point I made was rooted in game design experience, and describes a trait that nearly all successful games share.  DST is successful because of that trait too, but just because something is good doesn't mean it can't be improved.

You are going to cause this thread to be locked.

The sides to the Wes conundrum are two.

Make Wes balanced, so that people like you and people new to the game enjoy it.

Or let Wes suck, so that people that want to extremely handicap themselves enjoy it.

Klei discussed internally what you were proposing, to decide if they were going to let hardcore players have their silent toy, or just make Wes another one of the bunch. They decided to let masochists be masochists. Now you can embrace the Wes masochistic style of life, or ban him out of your servers.

That's all there is to this. The other thread was just a repeating circle of ideas.

2 hours ago, Axehilt said:

When Wes is balanced, you can set up masochistic server settings (or join an existing one) and enjoy your masochism with EVERY character instead of just one.  It's a much better situation for everyone (masochists and regular players alike.)

Well I wouldn't enjoy that masochism knowing that I could have done it with anybody else.

Perhaps masochists are already enjoying Wes, which was the intended end.

 

Also,

REMOVE BEAVER SANITY DRAIN

That's all for this thread.

Mario384

Mario384

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1 hour ago, DarkXero said:

You are going to cause this thread to be locked.

The sides to the Wes conundrum are two.

Make Wes balanced, so that people like you and people new to the game enjoy it.

Or let Wes suck, so that people that want to extremely handicap themselves enjoy it.

Klei discussed internally what you were proposing, to decide if they were going to let hardcore players have their silent toy, or just make Wes another one of the bunch. They decided to let masochists be masochists. Now you can embrace the Wes masochistic style of life, or ban him out of your servers.

That's all there is to this. The other thread was just a repeating circle of ideas.

Well I wouldn't enjoy that masochism knowing that I could have done it with anybody else.

Perhaps masochists are already enjoying Wes, which was the intended end.

 

Also,

REMOVE BEAVER SANITY DRAIN

That's all for this thread.

This thread merely serves a purpose of getting this message out there.  If someone, anyone from Klei could come and maybe state their thoughts, how they can rebalance the Beaver, etc...  it could be locked and I could sleep easy knowing Beaver Justice has been served.  Of course, we don't win until Klei actually implements said change.

 

EDIT:  Nome inbound.  Prepare the emergency supplies.

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