How to you play? Your don't starve experience!

[_Q_]

This thread?

 

(just researching sources is all.)

Not this one. Don't want to search for it right now, its quite late.

I think it was here:

http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/14054-base-camping-vs-explorationvagabond-styles-and-tactics/?hl=gnarlytreeman#entry133257

And here you can get idea what mods OP was using:

http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/22897-low-resource-maps/?hl=gnarlytreeman#entry234306

[TeoSS69]

I replied with 7 paragraphs to Teo's single line and it's 2:05 AM where he lives so I guess he didn't read any of that.

 

[Deacon_Blue]

@Ortorin

 

It's human nature to want others to conform to what we deem appropriate. I also see people using lots of mods as fairly cheaty, though I am guilty of using the Always on Status mod.

 

In the threads like "Show us your camp" you are, to an extent, acting as if it were a multiplayer game. Comparing vanilla camps to camps where things have been spawned in might not mean anything, but it does kind of hurt the sense of accomplishment to a lot of people. People spawning in items that you "worked hard" to get or designing a flawless base using the grid-alignment mod just cause a small sense of defeat.

 

Mods aren't inherently bad, as we know by Klei going out of their way to help and encourage modding. There is another side to the situation, though.

[_Q_]

@Ortorin

 

It's human nature to want others to conform to what we deem appropriate. I also see people using lots of mods as fairly cheaty, though I am guilty of using the Always on Status mod.

 

In the threads like "Show us your camp" you are, to an extent, acting as if it were a multiplayer game. Comparing vanilla camps to camps where things have been spawned in might not mean anything, but it does kind of hurt the sense of accomplishment to a lot of people. People spawning in items that you "worked hard" to get or designing a flawless base using the grid-alignment mod just cause a small sense of defeat.

 

Mods aren't inherently bad, as we know by Klei going out of their way to help and encourage modding. There is another side to the situation, though.

Workshop is full of cheat mods. Infinite this or infinite that, and so on.

[TeoSS69]

Workshop is full of cheat mods. Infinite this or infinite that, and so on.

That's why i giggled at this : 

 

 

 

I defend the hard work of the modders as being labors of love to enhance the game.

Yeah, dear modder. All 99 items stack and a machine to turn grass into meat is what I needed to enhance my game. Thank you!

[Ortorin]

That's why i giggled at this : 

 

Yeah, dear modder. All 99 items stack and a machine to turn grass into meat is what I needed to enhance my game. Thank you!

 

Strawman logical fallacy.

[gnarlytreeman]

roflmao at the seriousness some people take to forum posts, btw _Q_ i'm not currently using any mods as the times in the past they ruined gameplay horribly

[_Q_]

roflmao at the seriousness some people take to forum posts, btw _Q_ i'm not currently using any mods as the times in the past they ruined gameplay horribly

But don't be mod hater, You just installed wrong mods. Max stacks and other mods of that kind make game easier, easier game gets boring quite fast. There are good mods out there, but you must read description and learn how to use them.

[ARamblingSpider]

But don't be mod hater, You just installed wrong mods. Max stacks and other mods of that kind make game easier, easier game gets boring quite fast. There are good mods out there, but you must read description and learn how to use them.

I'm still supporting your Mod to make the game harder.

[TeoSS69]

Strawman logical fallacy.

Yeah, I already told you I DIDN'T READ YOUR PARAGRAPHS. 

Went down hoping for a TL;DR section but i only found the part i quoted. So yeah I reacted to that.

I've already posted my view on mods. You can play whatever way you want, but with cheatty mods you lose your bragging rights.

Now, why would you care what other people think about your playstyle if you don't see anything wrong with those mods? It all comes down to personal preference and you're overreacting. But anw, all of this is stupid and i'm not dealing with it this late at night.

So long.

[Ortorin]

roflmao at the seriousness some people take to forum posts

 

This is a form of ad-hominem logical fallacy.

 

So do you have anything to say for yourself?

[TeoSS69]

This is a form of ad-hominem logical fallacy.

 

So do you have anything to say for yourself?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

[ARamblingSpider]

And to think this all started because gnarlytreeman couldn't tell I was being sarcastic about a remark I made.

[Deacon_Blue]

I type out something reasonable and I don't get a logical fallacy link? I demand a link!

[TeoSS69]

And to think this all started because gnarlytreeman couldn't tell I was being sarcastic about a remark I made.

This thread is about lashing at OP because he lashed at others. It's a cycle you see.

[ARamblingSpider]

This thread is about lashing at OP because he lashed at others. It's a cycle you see.

I would get more active in these discussions but I'm not good with making arguments at all.

[TeoSS69]

I would get more active in these discussions but I'm not good with making arguments at all.

There's no argument to be had. This started as a poll. Statistics. Not "Mods are cheating! Burn cheaters!"

[ARamblingSpider]

There's no argument to be had. This started as a poll. Statistics. Not "Mods are cheating! Burn cheaters!"

I know, but most of the time when I try to express my opinions(I don't agree with OP that using mods automatically makes you a nasty cheater) make myself look bad, heck I do that pretty much every day.

[TeoSS69]

I know, but most of the time when I try to express my opinions(I don't agree with OP that using mods automatically makes you a nasty cheater) make myself look bad, heck I do that pretty much every day.

What I said is that OP didn't state any of that in this thread. That's what confused me. Why not reply to OP where he said that instead of bringing up in here?

[Ortorin]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

 

Sorry, but that is not true.

 

By stating that he laughs at the "seriousness some people take to forum posts" he is belittling my argument. Laughing at my seriousness is nothing more than laughing at my argument itself. They are one in the same. That in turn makes this an ad-hominem attack about my character for even posting in such a "serious" tone.

 

This thread is about lashing at OP because he lashed at others. It's a cycle you see.

 

Again you are wrong.

 

I have stated my views about what he has said. I have found his stance distasteful, and have tried to show that point the best way I could. What I want is for him to defend his viewpoint.

 

I would like to argue the merits of "cheat or not cheat", but those that support the idea that mods are cheating simply brush aside any of my arguments and state again, "mods are cheats". If you feel you can adequately answer what I have posted in order to defend against my arguments as to why they are not cheats, then please do. In any other case, this is an argument with no contest based on the rules of debate.

 

If you don't like that, then learn how to post an entire paragraph.

[jbeetle]

roflmao at the seriousness some people take to forum posts, btw _Q_ i'm not currently using any mods as the times in the past they ruined gameplay horribly

What's the point of taking a side if you aren't even serious about how you feel? I mean, you can still be serious and it be relative only to Don't Starve.

[Ortorin]

I type out something reasonable and I don't get a logical fallacy link? I demand a link!

 

Your argument made perfect sense and had no fallacies.

 

 

@Ortorin

 

It's human nature to want others to conform to what we deem appropriate. I also see people using lots of mods as fairly cheaty, though I am guilty of using the Always on Status mod.

 

In the threads like "Show us your camp" you are, to an extent, acting as if it were a multiplayer game. Comparing vanilla camps to camps where things have been spawned in might not mean anything, but it does kind of hurt the sense of accomplishment to a lot of people. People spawning in items that you "worked hard" to get or designing a flawless base using the grid-alignment mod just cause a small sense of defeat.

 

Mods aren't inherently bad, as we know by Klei going out of their way to help and encourage modding. There is another side to the situation, though.

 

Now my argument against this is: the topic of this argument is not spawned in items. It is modded gameplay.

 

In regards to grid alignment, some people cannot hold a mouse steady enough or move it slowly enough to achieve precise placement of objects. In the same sense that you call the "architectural geometry" mod a "hit to the sense of accomplishment" for vanilla players, I call a high-end mouse with good DPI a "hit to the sense of accomplishment" to anyone that doesn't have access to such good mice.

 

We all have access to the mod. Use it, it's awesome!

[gnarlytreeman]

firstly, bringing rules of debate to an internet game forum, um well expresses extreme argumentative ocd.... no proof here just social prediction.

 

here is another logical fallacy i call it " the red herring" this is the statement that mods are "balanced", what Ortorin is actually doing is petitio principii or circular reasoning (basically saying mods are not cheating as the proof) and then appealing to public arumentation as further proof)

 

just pointing out with complete transparentness.

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cheat

 

so general definition of cheat.

 

v.intr. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game

 

n. A computer application, password, or disallowed technique used to advance to a higher skill level in a computer video game.

 

 

ok so let poise these questions. (really wish this didn't follow me to this thread i was just doing late night button pushing anyhow lol, fun sometimes)

 

1)Does modding allow a player to achieve a higher level of skill? usually yes, no always but usually that is the point.

 

2) Can mods be inherently balanced? probably not, as klei didn't create them and the klei team defines "balanced" as they are the authority....

 

Ok so if the authority that defines the rules of the game, didn't "officially" authorize a change made, as it's not include in the official install package, then I can reasonably say they are cheats.

 

:\end Dbate 

 

 

{ROBOT VOICE} ha ha ha ha ha

[jbeetle]

If mods were legal, then everyone will just go get mods. My son's friend uses mods and I'm afraid it'll turn my son into a mod-user. Mod-users are immoral, unethical, and abnormal. Anti-mod conversion therapy is one way to turn a mod-user back into a normal person. Games should only be played between a man and a game. Using mods is just wrong - it promotes a mod-user lifestyle.

 

...i feel like someone is going to take this joke the wrong way

 

[Ortorin]

firstly, bringing rules of debate to an internet game forum, um well expresses extreme argumentative ocd.... no proof here just social prediction.

For starters, it does not mater if this is an internet forum or if we are talking face-to-face. Either case involves human interaction. Human interaction is all that is needed to hold a debate.

 

Secondly, I am debating about this because I greatly enjoy mods. I will not be labeled a cheater when I have carefully selected the mods I use so that I do NOT feel like I am cheating at the game.

 

 

here is another logical fallacy i call it " the red herring" this is the statement that mods are "balanced", what Ortorin is actually doing is petitio principii or circular reasoning (basically saying mods are not cheating as the proof) and then appealing to public arumentation as further proof)

 

Quote the post that I use "mods being balanced" as an argument. That does not exist. Nor did I ever appeal to the public. Each stalemate has been made by myself without attempting to bring anyone else into the debate. I never requested anyone else's support or even asked "what do you think guys, am I right about this?". Since I never made such statements you have committed the fallacy fallacy.

 

 

 

just pointing out with complete transparentness.

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cheat

 

so general definition of cheat.

 

v.intr. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game

 

n. A computer application, password, or disallowed technique used to advance to a higher skill level in a computer video game.

 

 

ok so let poise these questions. (really wish this didn't follow me to this thread i was just doing late night button pushing anyhow lol, fun sometimes)

 

1)Does modding allow a player to achieve a higher level of skill? usually yes, no always but usually that is the point.

 

2) Can mods be inherently balanced? probably not, as klei didn't create them and the klei team defines "balanced" as they are the authority....

 

Ok so if the authority that defines the rules of the game, didn't "officially" authorize a change made, as it's not include in the official install package, then I can reasonably say they are cheats.

 

 

Appeal to authority logical fallacy.

 

Klei DOES NOT decide if a mod is a cheat or not. The mods are community generated material to compliment the game. Therefore, it is through the community that the statues of "cheat or not" is declared. The best place to get a feel about if the community feels that a mod is a cheat or not is in the comments of the mod itself in the download section.

 

That is not the final word on this topic. It is up to each individual if the mod they are playing is a cheat or not. Someone that has to spend 20-30 seconds looking through their toolbar to find a pickaxe when they need one might not think of Auto Equip as a cheat. Another player that does not have that same issue may. As such, the status of a mod being a cheat or not is unique to each player.

 

 

You never answered a single question that I had posed for you. All of my arguments ran along the lines of "it is the right of each individual to play their game the way they want to." and, "you have no right looking down on others and call them "cheaters" since this is not a competitive game".

 

Here are the actual questions you should be answering, quoted from my own posts (with some minor spelling or grammatical corrections):

Do you want people to have a worst time in their life playing this game than you?

Do you need to belittle other people just because they play differently?

What is wrong with letting others live their own life without judging them?

Why does it mater to anyone what other players do when they play THEIR game?

How does it badly reflect upon you when someone else uses a mod?

Every single human being only has a finite amount of time to enjoy living on this planet before they die. What gives you the right to try to dictate what they do with that time? 

Mods are completely supported by Klei. They have even actively worked in order to make the modding process easier. Why do you look down on a part of the game that was intentionally created?

 

Those as some of my actual questions. Those are some of my actual arguments. You have added nothing to this debate.

 

 

 

 

{ROBOT VOICE} ha ha ha ha ha

 

(MAXWELL'S VOICE) Try again.