Wendy is not strong

[Tranoze]

9 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Also, this is all pre-skill tree. Petal shroud will grant some degree of protection, so you'll be able to do whatever with a dreadstone helm.

You need night vision if you want to do this, if gather monkey was easy people wouldnt die to monkey in first place. If you got caught by money, you will be stun locked to death, petal shroud help nothing. Also her current skill tree change nothing to this, and i hope her future skill tree wont too. It is an ability wendy players have to learn by death mutiple times if they want to get the sweet bananas reward.

[Peasant]

32 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

petal shroud help nothing

petal shroud will be altered into allowing Abigaid share the protection of Wendy's helmet, as for the lighting problem... dwarfstar or lantern maybe?

[Tranoze]

7 minutes ago, YXukun said:

petal shroud will be altered into allowing Abigaid share the protection of Wendy's helmet, as for the lighting problem... dwarfstar or lantern maybe?

When you are stun locked by monkey, no armor will help you out of it. And if you are not and you can gather monkey properly, abi can kill all the monkey without any buffs.

[Mike23Ua]

7 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

When you are stun locked by monkey, no armor will help you out of it.

Stun lock on this game is the worst… no joke. Instant Death Trap with no way of countering it.

The “Git Gud” crowd will scream just get better at kiting and don’t get stun-locked but only the skilled players who have invested many hours into the game will feasibly be able to perform such a task.

I do want to highlight in particular fighting spider though….

In the OLD Days of Dont Starve Wendy was OP there’s no doubt about it…

But people seem to forget that Klei made an update so that grass traps can be used to capture, pick up and then murder spiders all without any of the rest of them aggro’ing onto you (this is how I take out spider warriors when playing as Wes or any other non-combat oriented character)

It might require more resources to gather and make all the traps then it is to just AFK with Wendy on Rile Mode….

But that was the current one and ONLY role Wendy was designed to be good at.

[Copyafriend]

4 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

The “Git Gud” crowd will scream just get better at kiting and don’t get stun-locked

What? Nooooo

The get good crowd (me)

Says:

 

"Why are you trying to fight 20 things at once? Are you TRYING to get stunlocked?"

 

But for real, you cant reliably fight huge groups, its just not feasible. I dont really see this as a flaw, because it makes swarms of weaker mobs dangerous, despite them being extremely weak even if you add up their stats

If you could just stand still and facetank spiders jt would be extremely easy to kill nests. Spiders only have 100 health, two swings from anything better than a spear twoshot them. Youd just be blending them like abigail, only a few can attack at a time

 

The only creatures you can reliably fight in a group are basic spiders and bees.

And thats because they both have low attack range and can be stunned. You smack the first one and run away and repeat until they're all dead

Pretty simple if time consuming. Warrior spiders can lungebite you, so you gotta kill them first, its doable but hard

1 hour ago, YXukun said:

Wendy better than Wigfrid, seriously?

Yes 

 

1 hour ago, YXukun said:

Wendy's only better than Wigfrid when she's on a battle beefalo equipped with a war saddle

No

Maf time

wendy deals 1.15x damage with abis help, only 1.15/1.25 a little under 8% weaker (which means no breakpoint difference and an average TTK difference of about 7.5%)

This is of course ignoring abigail who does 10-40 damage per attack at a comfortable 1 attack per second. Meaning an average dps of 10-40 from abigail.

the player attacks once per 0.433 seconds or approximately 138 attacks per minute assuming 68 damage per hit 

Wigfrid deals (68 * 1.25 * 138)

Or

Approx* 11730 damage per minute

*less because of having to heal or switch weapons or downtime between swings, but we're assuming perfection

Meanwhile wendy deals (68 * 1.15 * 138) 

Or

Apprx 10791 damage per minutr

PLUS 

600 (day) 11391

1200 (dusk) 11991

2400 (night)  13191

From abigail.

This means during the day wendy is dealing a paltry 3% less damage

And at night time wendy deals apprx 11% more damage.

 

Wendy is stronger without beefalo too. And gets all that sweet sweet QOL of killing anything smaller than a boss with zero effort.

 

[Peasant]

47 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

What? Nooooo

The get good crowd (me)

Says:

 

"Why are you trying to fight 20 things at once? Are you TRYING to get stunlocked?"

 

But for real, you cant reliably fight huge groups, its just not feasible. I dont really see this as a flaw, because it makes swarms of weaker mobs dangerous, despite them being extremely weak even if you add up their stats

If you could just stand still and facetank spiders jt would be extremely easy to kill nests. Spiders only have 100 health, two swings from anything better than a spear twoshot them. Youd just be blending them like abigail, only a few can attack at a time

 

The only creatures you can reliably fight in a group are basic spiders and bees.

And thats because they both have low attack range and can be stunned. You smack the first one and run away and repeat until they're all dead

Pretty simple if time consuming. Warrior spiders can lungebite you, so you gotta kill them first, its doable but hard

Yes 

 

No

Maf time

wendy deals 1.15x damage with abis help, only 1.15/1.25 a little under 8% weaker (which means no breakpoint difference and an average TTK difference of about 7.5%)

This is of course ignoring abigail who does 10-40 damage per attack at a comfortable 1 attack per second. Meaning an average dps of 10-40 from abigail.

the player attacks once per 0.433 seconds or approximately 138 attacks per minute assuming 68 damage per hit 

Wigfrid deals (68 * 1.25 * 138)

Or

Approx* 11730 damage per minute

*less because of having to heal or switch weapons or downtime between swings, but we're assuming perfection

Meanwhile wendy deals (68 * 1.15 * 138) 

Or

Apprx 10791 damage per minutr

PLUS 

600 (day) 11391

1200 (dusk) 11991

2400 (night)  13191

From abigail.

This means during the day wendy is dealing a paltry 3% less damage

And at night time wendy deals apprx 11% more damage.

 

Wendy is stronger without beefalo too. And gets all that sweet sweet QOL of killing anything smaller than a boss with zero effort.

 

I think that actual combat is more than simply pressing f and canculate the total damage you deal. If you consider dph you'll find that wendy, if the enemy is debuffed by abigail, can deal 78.54 damage, while wigfrid can deal 85 damage under any circumstances. If you consider abigail who approximately attacks once when wendy attacks twice, would put and add of 7.5 to 12.5 to 20 to wendy's dph, now take the middle number and you get roughly 91 damage, looks nice, right?

But in practical battle there are variables such as abigail's debuff cant be always there if you dont have a quite good skill, and there's also a chance that abigail dies... dies again due to you dont have a quite good skill, while wigfrid is simple by dealing 1.25 more damage at no cost. What's more, in practical battle you cant hope to be flawless, which means you are bond to consume healings and armors. Wigfrid receives 25% less damage than else, and heals when attacking, thus means that she consumes less healings and armor, that is, consumes less resource than others. So generally wigfrid has got a higher lower limit and a lower higher limit while wendy got a lower lower limit and a higher higher limit.

Besides, now wigfrid has got the fancy charged elding spear which allows her to deal 94.375 damage per hit and gives her the ability to clean out swamps of smaller creatures just like abigail, and can even repair it during the process. Though wigfrid too didnt receive a rather good skilltree, this spear is indeed one shining point in her skilltree.

 

[Copyafriend]

13 minutes ago, YXukun said:

looks nice, right

No, that is not what i did. Your pseudomath hurts my head sir.

Your math on the elding spear is also terrible.

The elding spear does 59.5 damage before the damage multiplier, 68 (regular darksword damage on a lunge.

Its not even that good.

 

Unless the enemy is wet (which does happen, but is not common or reliably achievable outside of one specific boss) (wet enemies obviously means wigfrid wins by a landslide)

This makes it a complete downgrade to the darksword whose damage i already did the math for. 

Idk why you brought it up.

 

The CHARGED elding spear does 20 additional planar damage (which i dont pretend to fully understand and will just assume 20 flat damage increase)

Is post rifts, meaning that if wigfrid can use this, wendy can use the shadow reaper with the void cowl, which does more damage per hit than the charged elding spear. (Meaning all wigfrid has is easier access to a good weapon)

If you'd like i can re-do the math and compare wigfrid vs wendy both with the shadow reaper instead, but it would end worse for wigfrid because planar damage is not affected by damage multipliers, meaning wendy who gets a flat amount of damage per minute from abigail and has a lower multiplier would have the dps advantage.

 

I actually did the math and proved my point.

 

YOU do some math too or stop pretending to know more than me about this

[Theukon-dos]

2 hours ago, Tranoze said:

Soo destroy weak things consider op now? Torching entire forest without lifting a finger is equally as op as destroy waves of mobs. Same as forest, wave of mobs are just minding their own business before wendy come.

And demolish multiple waves? Without lifting a finger? The only waves of mobs abigail can safely destroy is basic spider. Abigail cant handle too much warrior spiders. Abigail also cant handle moonstone's wave alone. Abigail also cant handle splumonkey (shadow or not) if they come in multiple waves.
So no. Abigail doesn't demolish waves of mobs.

It was considered OP. I hate sounding like an old coot, but once again, this is just proving how bad power creep has gotten. AOE damage used to be something that was extremely rare for a character to have. Winona's catapults have it, but then you had the play Pre-skill tree Winona. Woodie's Weremoose had it on the charge, but then you had to play pre-skill tree Woodie. Wormwood's bramble husk had it, but that was dependent on you getting hit. And Abigail was far and away the most effective source of it. She could farm spiders and Splemonkies for valuable resources, draw kill swarms of killer bees in moments to get a good chunk of honey without needing a farm, or just completely destroy a hound wave while Wendy drank a nice cup of tea from beneath her bush hat.

 

Now adays you'd think that Klei's gotten food poisoning from how they're vomiting AOE damage onto everyone they touch. Actually come to think of it, has any character other than Wilson gotten a skill tree that hasn't either given them AOE damage or buffed AOE damage they already had? Wolfgang has the dumbell perks. Woodie got buffs to moose including the three-hit combo that ends in AOE. Wormwood got his bramble perks. Willow got all her fire spells. Wigfrid got the lightning spear's charge attack. Wurt got the Lunar-Mutated merms with Recoil damage. Winona got a bunch of buffs to her catapults. Wortox got a couple of his naughty perks and his shadow alignment perk. Walter got several rounds that deal AOE damage on impact. And Wendy herself got a few buffs to Abigail.

 

So yeah, no duh Wendy doesn't feel strong anymore. Klei's been milking AOE damage drier than a Sahara desert and now the two sisters are parched.

[Tranoze]

Just now, Theukon-dos said:

So yeah, no duh Wendy doesn't feel strong anymore.

Thanks.

[Theukon-dos]

3 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Thanks.

careful you don't choke on all the cherries you're picking.

[Steorra]

1 hour ago, Copyafriend said:

What? Nooooo

The get good crowd (me)

Says:

 

"Why are you trying to fight 20 things at once? Are you TRYING to get stunlocked?"

 

But for real, you cant reliably fight huge groups, its just not feasible. I dont really see this as a flaw, because it makes swarms of weaker mobs dangerous, despite them being extremely weak even if you add up their stats

If you could just stand still and facetank spiders jt would be extremely easy to kill nests. Spiders only have 100 health, two swings from anything better than a spear twoshot them. Youd just be blending them like abigail, only a few can attack at a time

 

The only creatures you can reliably fight in a group are basic spiders and bees.

And thats because they both have low attack range and can be stunned. You smack the first one and run away and repeat until they're all dead

Pretty simple if time consuming. Warrior spiders can lungebite you, so you gotta kill them first, its doable but hard

Yes 

 

No

Maf time

wendy deals 1.15x damage with abis help, only 1.15/1.25 a little under 8% weaker (which means no breakpoint difference and an average TTK difference of about 7.5%)

This is of course ignoring abigail who does 10-40 damage per attack at a comfortable 1 attack per second. Meaning an average dps of 10-40 from abigail.

the player attacks once per 0.433 seconds or approximately 138 attacks per minute assuming 68 damage per hit 

Wigfrid deals (68 * 1.25 * 138)

Or

Approx* 11730 damage per minute

*less because of having to heal or switch weapons or downtime between swings, but we're assuming perfection

Meanwhile wendy deals (68 * 1.15 * 138) 

Or

Apprx 10791 damage per minutr

PLUS 

600 (day) 11391

1200 (dusk) 11991

2400 (night)  13191

From abigail.

This means during the day wendy is dealing a paltry 3% less damage

And at night time wendy deals apprx 11% more damage.

 

Wendy is stronger without beefalo too. And gets all that sweet sweet QOL of killing anything smaller than a boss with zero effort.

 

Abi won't survive in most CC battle. then you lost all abi's extra dps and buff. then wendy become 0.75 as same as wes.

 

[Copyafriend]

6 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Abi won't survive in most CC battle. then you lost all abi's extra dps and buff. then wendy become 0.75 as same as wes.

Yeah. If you look up the discussion a single page you'll see me going "except for end game bosses and bearger" one of the hardest bosses in the game CAN actually kill a follower, and yes this makes that boss exceptionally hard for wendy.

 

I didnt say she was perfect, i was more pointing out that she generally outperforms wigfrid. She's not as OP as she was once considered before the skilltrees, but she performs just fine, its not like she's suddenly weak in comparison.

[Steorra]

21 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said:

It was considered OP. I hate sounding like an old coot, but once again, this is just proving how bad power creep has gotten. AOE damage used to be something that was extremely rare for a character to have. Winona's catapults have it, but then you had the play Pre-skill tree Winona. Woodie's Weremoose had it on the charge, but then you had to play pre-skill tree Woodie. Wormwood's bramble husk had it, but that was dependent on you getting hit. And Abigail was far and away the most effective source of it. She could farm spiders and Splemonkies for valuable resources, draw kill swarms of killer bees in moments to get a good chunk of honey without needing a farm, or just completely destroy a hound wave while Wendy drank a nice cup of tea from beneath her bush hat.

 

Now adays you'd think that Klei's gotten food poisoning from how they're vomiting AOE damage onto everyone they touch. Actually come to think of it, has any character other than Wilson gotten a skill tree that hasn't either given them AOE damage or buffed AOE damage they already had? Wolfgang has the dumbell perks. Woodie got buffs to moose including the three-hit combo that ends in AOE. Wormwood got his bramble perks. Willow got all her fire spells. Wigfrid got the lightning spear's charge attack. Wurt got the Lunar-Mutated merms with Recoil damage. Winona got a bunch of buffs to her catapults. Wortox got a couple of his naughty perks and his shadow alignment perk. Walter got several rounds that deal AOE damage on impact. And Wendy herself got a few buffs to Abigail.

 

So yeah, no duh Wendy doesn't feel strong anymore. Klei's been milking AOE damage drier than a Sahara desert and now the two sisters are parched.

Not everyone is newbie who struggling in pre-70 days. Stop to assume every players enjoying the "free" AOE abi in early game plz.

You guys seems are continuous ignoring how abi is hard to survive from some end-game bosses, which like CC, lunar bearger, etc. 

 

[cyjs]

多么有建设性的文章，那些眼睛不好的先生们真该来看看

[Theukon-dos]

7 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Not everyone is newbie who struggling in pre-70 days. Stop to assume every players enjoying the "free" AOE abi in early game plz.

You guys seems are continuous ignoring how abi is hard to survive from some end-game bosses, which like CC, lunar bearger, etc. 

 

Ignoring? That's the best part. Characters having defined strengths and weaknesses is character design 101.

[Steorra]

7 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

I didnt say she was perfect, i was more pointing out that she generally outperforms wigfrid. She's not as OP as she was once considered before the skilltrees, but she performs just fine, its not like she's suddenly weak in comparison.

Agreed. In fact most Wendy main players who are not fans of the beta skill tree are looking for a skill tree which could help Wendy to solve end game problem, but current skill tree is more like focus on early game or even something more strange - all of these are not we want.

Wendy is not op but was fine before skill tree, we hope she could solve her inconvenience in mid & end game by skill tree. And this is not a wish of "Solving all Wendy's weak points", but more like a wish of "Improving Wendy's QoL in mid & end game"

[Peasant]

32 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

The elding spear does 59.5 damage before the damage multiplier, 68 (regular darksword damage on a lunge.

Its not even that good.

"charged" elding spear, I rechecked it and found that I DID wrote "charged", so the damage per hit IS 59.5×1.25+20=94.375.

 

32 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

Is post rifts, meaning that if wigfrid can use this, wendy can use the shadow reaper with the void cowl, which does more damage per hit than the charged elding spear. (Meaning all wigfrid has is easier access to a good weapon)

And it's NOT post rifts, for what you need is to trigger the lunar event, craft yourself a normal elding spear, and help wagstaff in his experiment. Besides, shadow rift has nothing to do with lunar bosses, you could have opened the lunar rift and havent even defeat the rhino, therefore the comparision, or even mentioning of shadow scyhe is meaningless and pointless.

And another thing, you seemed only have read the math bit before rushed to protesting against "pseudomath", and havent read one letter of the later part which is about the difference between theoritical canculating and actual combat. Abigail's debuffs boost your damage? What if she got slapped back into her flower by beaeger or deerclops? What if she's busying killing grumble bees yards away while you have a chance to attack queen bee? There's a old idiom called "纸上谈兵", which can be directly translated into "talking about military affairs purely on the paper", which is often used to refer to impractical people judging things simply by data and numbers rather than experiences gained in actual practice, which is exactly what you are doing right now.

32 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

YOU do some math too or stop pretending to know more than me about this

AND one last thing, such arrogance wont help you win the debate, nor it would make you the right one, but will only show that your are a self-centered arrogant person who cannot even look through and understand the meanings of the words of who hold a different opinion.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said:

Ignoring? That's the best part. Characters having defined strengths and weaknesses is character design 101.

Strengths and weaknesses is always here at the same time, but someone are continuously focusing on Wendy's strengths to hint that "Wendy is strong enough so her skill tree should be useless" and ignoring her weaknesses, I don't think this is a fair discussion. Don't be hyprocite.

8 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said:

Ignoring? That's the best part. Characters having defined strengths and weaknesses is character design 101.

Also have to say to judge a character as "stronger one" by only early game, but continuously ignoring how they perform in end game is not fair as well - or have you just think that DST is a 70-days (in game) only game?

[Theukon-dos]

8 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Strengths and weaknesses is always here at the same time, but someone are continuously focusing on Wendy's strengths to hint that "Wendy is strong enough so her skill tree should be useless" and ignoring her weaknesses, I don't think this is a fair discussion. Don't be hyprocite.

Also have to say to judge a character as "stronger one" by only early game, but continuously ignoring how they perform in end game is not fair as well - or have you just think that DST is a 70-days (in game) only game?

Actually, I just hate skill trees as a concept with every fibre of my being. I'll admit that a skill tree being boring is a far greater sin than being to weak or too strong. But I'd rather nobody gets one at all.

[grm9]

7 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

Splumonkeys? Pigs? Are you asking why anyone would build a mob farm to begin with?

I mean, are you really actually claiming that free AoE isn't any good? Sure, it's free, but why would anyone ever want to use silly AoE for? Except other characters, of course!

yes, mob farms are inefficient, you get enough food from just playing with out then if you aren't just sitting at base, idk what the point of the thing about other characters was, my point was that AoE's still useful for BQ and FW but many other characters got AoE that works for then too

again read the last paragraph/sentence of my previous reply to you here that you excluded out of the quote 

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, Copyafriend said:

Yeah. If you look up the discussion a single page you'll see me going "except for end game bosses and bearger" one of the hardest bosses in the game CAN actually kill a follower, and yes this makes that boss exceptionally hard for wendy.

 

I didnt say she was perfect, i was more pointing out that she generally outperforms wigfrid. She's not as OP as she was once considered before the skilltrees, but she performs just fine, it’s not like she's suddenly weak in comparison.

Bud I think your missing the point, no one has said that Wendy was “Weak” they’re just saying that her skill tree and the character as a whole is “Weak” for combat purposes Wendy is quite strong there’s no arguing that…

But SO WAS WOLFGANG and he got several actual Fun and new things to do in his Skill Tree (along with a few base character tweaks outside of the skill tree) to make him less uhm… how do I put this, “Boring”?

I’ll wait to see what Klei comes up since they appear to have gone back to the drawing board (likely to remove the escape command since Dismiss serves the same purpose) and replace it with Haunt.

They may even remove the petal to dark petal conversion skill because it’s just simply counter productive to being able to command Abby to haunt flowers and change them for free? One less thing I need to invest a skill point on.

[Copyafriend]

38 minutes ago, YXukun said:

charged" elding spear, I rechecked it and found that I DID wrote "charged", so the damage per hit IS 59.5×1.25+20=94.375.

True its SLIGHTLY better (68 x 1.25 = 85) than the dark sword per swing.

(You still can do this math yourself. Its forth grade math, which you seem to be missing the point of calculating the damage per minute instead of second or per hit)

At this improved dps, wigfrid does 12972 damage per minute.

Also known as being slightly worse as abigail + wendy at night (but like, only slightly, really they're tied)

Of course wendy + abigail and wigfrid both beat the charged elding spear with post rift weapons

 

(which i brought up and you ignored)

 

Which is why i dont care very much about the elding spear one way or another.

 

38 minutes ago, YXukun said:

And it's NOT post rifts, for what you need is to trigger the lunar event, craft yourself a normal elding spear, and help wagstaff in his experiment.

You got me there, not actually post rift, only one single step before post rift. Not really a distinction i care to make, but you DID catch me in a lie, albeit an unintentional one.

 

40 minutes ago, YXukun said:

And another thing, you seemed only have read the math bit before rushed to protesting against "pseudomath",

I protested against your pseudomath because it was weird and didnt make any sense. It has nothing to do with my genuine opinions on your opinions. I have no idea how you reached the number you reached, nor why you tried to use the methods you were trying to use, your number AND method were both inherently flawed.

 

42 minutes ago, YXukun said:

What if she got slapped back into her flower by beaeger or deerclops? What if she's busying killing grumble bees yards away while you have a chance to attack queen bee?

Then wendy would do less damage than wigfrid. I dont really see why you're bringing it up, this is the obvious weakness of abigail. Its not like this is some grand revelation that i didnt possibly consider. Yes if abigail dies wendy is weaker than wigfrid.

Some bosses wendy underperforms as a result.

Do you have a point with bringing this up? I said she's GENERALLY better PRE final bosses (even without the beefalo). Its like you ONLY read my last reply and ignore everything else i've ever said. 

I specifically didnt reply because there was no need to, it was kinda a dumb thing to bring up because yeah, obviously sometimes wendy underperforms, its called having a weakness.

46 minutes ago, YXukun said:

which is often used to refer to impractical people judging things simply by data and numbers rather than experiences gained in actual practice, which is exactly what you are doing right now.

And they call talking about things in practice without actually taking numbers into account "talking out of your ass"

You dont actually know or understand the math behind anything i said, i highlighted how wendy does more damage in general and enjoys a lot more quality of life in day to day fights and most bossfights compared to wigfrid.

You're going off of vibes and trying to prove a point. I dont care all that much if wendy is technically better than wigfrid post skilltree.

 

The fact that its a close competition at all means it doesnt matter whether wigfrid or wendy "wins" wendys skill tree isnt even done yet.

 

Yes abigail has a problem with dying, klei has also quite literally announced a piece of gear will let wendy take damage for abigail, which quite possibly might completely solve this problem altogether.

53 minutes ago, YXukun said:

AND one last thing, such arrogance wont help you win the debate, nor it would make you the right one, but will only show that your are a self-centered arrogant person who cannot even look through and understand the meanings of the words of who hold a different opinion

I understand your words just fine. You misunderstand mine. I said wendy is stronger and provided numbers. You're trying to claim wendy isnt and are providing nowhere near as much effort to match my claims.

Record a video or somethinf, it took me 10 minutes to calculate the damage per minute of each character, and my replies are all significantly longer than yours too. You are not matching my effort and are claiming that i'm not thinking something through when i'm clearly putting a lot more thought and effort into each post than you are.

4 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

But SO WAS WOLFGANG and he got several actual Fun and new things to do in his Skill Tree (along with a few base character tweaks outside of the skill tree) to make him less uhm… how do I put this, “Boring”?

Dude did you not read klei's post, they literally have posted two hotfixes about the skilltrees and announced some planned changes. Every single skilltree has recieved major work during the beta period. People seem to be misunderstanding ME. Wendy is plenty strong even compared to a post skilltree wigfrid. She will be fine one way or another.

[leo920101]

there has been a vote, over 200 player take part.

56% of them think Wendy is above average strong, almost all of the player think she is fun to play.

so now I guess you're just better than everyone to tell who's OP and who's not, are you?

[cyjs]

1 minute ago, leo920101 said:

投票已经进行，超过200名玩家参与。

56%的人认为温蒂的实力高于平均水平，几乎所有的玩家都认为她玩起来很有趣。

所以现在我想你比所有人都更能区分谁是OP，谁不是，不是吗？

Your vote is nothing without the participation of Chinese players.维大的星星又载满醉喷史了

[Sacco]

Just now, cyjs said:

Your vote is nothing without the participation of Chinese players.维大的星星又载满醉喷史了

please Bro stop this ridiculous thing.

Stop posting every single moment something related to chinese players.

Stop saying that they have the priority on klei's list, please, you seem desperate.