Wendy is not strong

[Copyafriend]

1 minute ago, YXukun said:

Wait you dont wear a brightshade helm for the sword?

Good point i'll redo the math, forgot about that.

41.8 + 35 = 76.8

The scythe starts doing more damage after doing 4 or more hits in a row.

Crystal deerclops is stunned for 3 seconds meaning you can attack him 

6.9 times, so obviously we'll round down tl 6 and assume that last .9 is used going in and out.

In that time the shadow reaper will do

482.8 damage

While the brightshade sword will deal

460 damage

 

Sorry for the silly moment.

 

[hyoton123]

14 hours ago, Tranoze said:

 She can agroo malbatross, but malbatross basic attack is AOE and kill abi quite fast. If you have really high dps then yes, wendy can chunk lots of malbatros hp before abi dies. But the best way to agroo malbatross still ice staff it when it afar, and kill it normally like other bosses.

 

i mean, that’s fine if abigail dies midfight to malbatross after reaggroing it, it’s freaking malbatross. the hard part is keeping it on you. i’ve never heard of its normal attack being aoe though, just boat damage.

[Tranoze]

4 minutes ago, hyoton123 said:

i mean, that’s fine if abigail dies midfight to malbatross after reaggroing it, it’s freaking malbatross. the hard part is keeping it on you. i’ve never heard of its normal attack being aoe though, just boat damage.

Oh it reagroo on abi, not you, if she die outside your boat or you have no way to get her back to your boat, you wont reach malbatross. Go actually take wendy and fight bosses for yourself if you really want to know how wendy has to fight bosses, with and/or without beefalo.
Plus abi agroo range is quite short so if you cant target malbatross with ice staff, abi probably wont agroo on malbatross.

[hyoton123]

9 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Oh it reagroo on abi, not you, if she die outside your boat or you have no way to get her back to your boat, you wont reach malbatross. Go actually take wendy and fight bosses for yourself if you really want to know how wendy has to fight bosses, with and/or without beefalo.

I played a lot of wendy post rework FWIW, both myself and with a friend (i would say i could opine on wig, walt, wendy in that order). AFAIK soothing abby back and despawning still works, referring to the below link for how i know. I also have fought enough malb to know it’s a ridiculous pushover. Wendy’s flaw is a damage debuff, that’s it. For something like this that doesnt really matter. (in fact, i think current DST is pretty lenient on fights going long in general.)

 

EDIT: serious question here. personally speaking, if you needed to fight all bosses with wendy and no abigail, what bosses would be much harder? Not just longer, but significantly harder. Like I don’t think CC gets harder to kill with a damage penalty, just longer. That puts you at more risk, but it isnt what i’m talking about.

 

[Bumber64]

8 hours ago, AliceMagtron said:

i think you'd at least know 100 of merms will keep distance from you to not blocking placement

As long as there's room. That was only one thing, and nobody's calling Wurt weak to begin with. (Though you probably won't even have access to 100 merms for a considerable time.)

8 hours ago, AliceMagtron said:

then may i ask u why u have to give up a useful skill tree by leading 1 day AoE? are u a speedrun player or u choose wendy for speed run just for that? in fact, e.g. winona can craft trebuchet within 1 day, u just need to collect some minerals and twigs. wortox now can have 1 day AoE too by just simply kill a butterfly, and then u can use 2 Souls to farm bees to get more , then why they deserve a strong skill tree? also why do u need AoE for first day?  and if possible, i do happy to see that u need cost to summon abi or make abi do AoE dmg and make her better in late game.

Not really the topic of discussion, which is if Wendy is strong or not. She's strong pre-skill tree, which Wortox and Willow clearly weren't. Winona was a swap character and Wilson still isn't strong.

8 hours ago, AliceMagtron said:

Cant webber wurt maxwell winona handle hound attacks pretty well?

there is about 45s for mexwell to summon minions before hounds attack, and they are immune to both freezing by blue hound and fire by red hounds

winona always carries catapults, and i do think winona players should learn to carry a flingo too, that even dont needs a slot to ofinventory. normally red hounds wont appear at first autumn, which means u have a whole winter to collect ice. and red hounds is not the only thing can cause fire on structures, so generally i do recommand winona players carry a lightning rod and flingo. and catapults also immune to freezing by blue hounds.

as for wurt, mutated merms r allways loyal even u dont want them to follow u.

and webber, maybe u dont want an army of spiders, but i have never seen a webber dont carry several nurse spiders in his pocket. and that should be enough to simply handle hound attacks. 

None of these are free. Most of them cost inventory slots. Wendy can just keep doing whatever she was already doing while Abi handles them.

[AliceMagtron]

25 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Though you probably won't even have access to 100 merms for a considerable time

well if u do needs 100 merms, probably u have to wait reeds grow 2 more rounds cause it needs 25 merm houses, but i think that 100 should means 100%

 

27 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

which Wortox and Willow clearly weren't.

then how do u explain winona wurt and wolfgong, i dont think its a workable reason, also could u please explain what u mean swap? u have several strong pre-skill tree character becomes insane. besides, wortox skill tree is really insane. souls store incereased max 12 times, even 1 jar means 65 souls, efficiency souls farming in early game greatly increased(single to AoE), souls effects from 2 blinks to 3 blinks + invincible + decoy take once dmg and deals 64 additional dmg. thats definitely wolfgong tier.

32 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

None of these are free. Most of them cost inventory slots. Wendy can just keep doing whatever she was already doing while Abi handles them.

i think u forget that abis flower and potions needs slots too. also since the first target of hound atk is player, actually u cant stand still, u need to at least dodge each hounds once, not keep doing things. but yes, u earned like 15s than other characters u mentioned, its a huge benifit, right?

[Mr Giggio]

On 11/24/2024 at 6:35 PM, dst_lover said:

what is she really good at ? 

She can do any boss as long YOU can do any boss, lets start with that 
 

 

14 hours ago, Sacco said:

Stop posting every single moment something related to chinese players.

 

xD

[Bumber64]

2 hours ago, AliceMagtron said:

then how do u explain winona wurt and wolfgong, i dont think its a workable reason, also could u please explain what u mean swap? u have several strong pre-skill tree character becomes insane. besides, wortox skill tree is really insane. souls store incereased max 12 times, even 1 jar means 65 souls, efficiency souls farming in early game greatly increased(single to AoE), souls effects from 2 blinks to 3 blinks + invincible + decoy take once dmg and deals 64 additional dmg. thats definitely wolfgong tier.

i think u forget that abis flower and potions needs slots too. also since the first target of hound atk is player, actually u cant stand still, u need to at least dodge each hounds once, not keep doing things. but yes, u earned like 15s than other characters u mentioned, its a huge benifit, right?

Wurt: Already strong, but needs a large investment in the world to reach this point. She got a branch related to being wet, but no new ways to maintain wetness. She got mosquitos, which was basically pointless because she already has merms. Basically her merms just got better.

Wolfgang: The strongest. Got a very boring tree. Useless dumbbells. A chance to instantly mine stuff he can already mine quickly. Damage boosts to continue being overpowered post-rifts. That's it.

Winona: Her catapults were strong, but there was nothing stopping you from swapping to another character as soon as you built the lunar portal. Build catapults around boss area --> switch to Wendy --> fight boss with catapults and Abigail. Winona's skill tree makes you have to stay as her to keep full strength.
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Wortox: He was definitely weak. 20 soul cap, and he needs to consume these besides teleporting because he gets half stats from food. Soul jars are the absolute most important part of his skill tree, allowing him to skip capturing stacks of bees with nets. You're overselling his other skills somewhat, however.

(Disclaimer: I haven't played with Wortox's skill tree yet, so I'll be going off of forum posts.) His AoE isn't actually near as good as Abigail. It doesn't activate on creatures murdered in inventory, so you have to be actively killing things. It's a random projectile, so it can just miss everything. Bosses gain resistance to it like gunpowder. Damage isn't high (is it less than 60)? I suspect it's not useful even on bee queen, since grumble bees have 180 health. Kill 3 of them by hand, maybe some others die. You were better off hitting the queen.

I've heard decoy isn't any good. Namely, mobs currently ignore it and won't stand around for it to explode. I assume you're referring to the lunar skill invincibility? That requires a brightshade helm, meaning you can't use it pre-rifts even with the perk unlocked, and are losing out on void cowl + reaper (which the shadow skill happens to make use of. Get that instead.) The invincibility is extra pointless because just teleporting causes the attack to miss in the first place, and you've time before the next attack. (Pretty sure you don't have to even leave the attack range.) So it's really just the soul jars allowing you to teleport instead of kiting. Which is kind of similar to snurtle shell armor and Wigfrid's battle rond, actually.
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Do you actually need potions for hounds?

(Webber can't prototype nurse spiders until he encounters a spider queen, BTW. They heal him 8 health every 8 seconds. They don't attack. Carrying an army in your pockets isn't viable, and 1-2 spiders isn't going to do anything for you.)

[dst_lover]

8 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

She can do any boss as long YOU can do any boss, lets start with that 
 

First of all no just because you can kill all bosses with a character doesn’t mean the character is strong you can do this with Wes Did you see my other post ? yes she performed very well against AFW and bee queen even batter then some of the characters that I but in the strong category and when I made the other post I did say that but you ignored 2 important point she can perform very good but she can perform very bad and perform normally also when she is vs some bosses like armoured bearger or CC some times she can perform even worse then Wilson and the other things that she literally have no good parks outside combat I don’t say she is weak but she is definitely not a high tier like Wolfgang or maxwell or wanda or wurt characters that literally destroy bosses and farm faster then her and have batter parks overall to me I put her slightly higher the wigfrid but not in another tier or something like that both of them are mid and balanced not like high tiers that are literally broken and can perform very good vs any boss and have a lot of parks outside combat too

[Sacco]

10 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

She can do any boss as long YOU can do any boss, lets start with that 
 

 

 

xD

yeah, she can do every boss if you know what you are doing. It's just that if abi dies you are going to deal less damage and therefore less dps.

 

[arubaro]

41 minutes ago, Sacco said:

yeah, she can do every boss if you know what you are doing. It's just that if abi dies you are going to deal less damage and therefore less dps.

 

Which is fine because is a downside

[Mike23Ua]

8 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Which is fine because is a downside

Who are you kidding? You’re living in an era of DS where downsides are rapidly disappearing lol. (But otherwise I agree!)

[Sacco]

1 hour ago, arubaro said:

Which is fine because is a downside

yea that's the point of her downside!

At this point i don't even understand the point of killing a boss with most characters for his speacial weapon when you already have your own killing machine, therefore making the loot useless and the entire fight pointless.

[dst_lover]

1 hour ago, arubaro said:

Which is fine because is a downside

Yes it’s fine but this is show that Wendy is balance not like wolf and Wanda and Maxwell and other op strong characters and this is the point of the post to show that Wendy is mid and balanced unlike other top tiers 

the reason why I made this post is because of all those people who are saying that Wendy is strong or op or a top tiers and she has no downside because of the beefalo and they forgot about all those bosses that can 4 shot Abigail and can literally just knock you of the beefalo and they forget that she literally have very few perks and have 0 useful perks outside combat 

 

[arubaro]

15 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

Yes it’s fine but this is show that Wendy is balance not like wolf and Wanda and Maxwell and other op strong characters and this is the point of the post to show that Wendy is mid and balanced unlike other top tiers 

the reason why I made this post is because of all those people who are saying that Wendy is strong or op or a top tiers and she has no downside because of the beefalo and they forgot about all those bosses that can 4 shot Abigail and can literally just knock you of the beefalo and they forget that she literally have very few perks and have 0 useful perks outside combat 

 

Yes, they could give proper downsides for that characters

[AliceMagtron]

12 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

Do you actually need potions for hounds?

i mean generally, ppl carry these things are not only for hound, like wendy, webber, winona, maxwell etc. . if u even make hounds atk off, will ppl leave these things along?

winona 3 slots for 2 catapults and a generator, wendy 3 slots for flower, mourning glorys and potion( or maybe their materials, will change to a mini bag after this patch), webber 1 slot for 4 spider eggs 1slot for a stack of silk and 1 slot for whistle, i do think its fair on inventory slots.

12 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

fight boss with catapults and Abigail. Winona's skill tree makes you have to stay as her to keep full strength.

and e.p. dragonfly, if it step away for 5s, u have to reactivate catapults one by one again if u r not winona. occasionally it causes accident.

12 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

(Webber can't prototype nurse spiders until he encounters a spider queen, BTW. They heal him 8 health every 8 seconds. They don't attack. Carrying an army in your pockets isn't viable, and 1-2 spiders isn't going to do anything for you.)

and talk back to webber, yes webber generally dot carry some normal spiders but spider eggs and silk, webber can use 10 silk to make a lvl3 spider den, which means he can build max 4 lvl3 den immediately for anything, it could be boss not only hounds. and actually these boss fights are good way for webber to collect monster meats, silk and gland, since u can even beat boss with them, hounds should not be a problem. besides, if u can find a forrst biom, which planty of spiders r living there, u can build a lvl 3 spider den in first few days, and 120mins =15days later u will get a spider queen. what means 15 days? max first 2 hounds waves which only generate totally max 2~4 hounds, even wes can handle it simply.

 

12 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

(Disclaimer: I haven't played with Wortox's skill tree yet, so I'll be going off of forum posts.) His AoE isn't actually near as good as Abigail. It doesn't activate on creatures murdered in inventory, so you have to be actively killing things. It's a random projectile, so it can just miss everything. Bosses gain resistance to it like gunpowder. Damage isn't high (is it less than 60)? I suspect it's not useful even on bee queen, since grumble bees have 180 health. Kill 3 of them by hand, maybe some others die. You were better off hitting the queen.

 

ok, i dont really know what ppl says, but he has 2 if u dont include dark line in skill tree, 1 is path dmg 25 and 1 is decoy 51+20% of new weapon in his skill tree dmg. which means they can also perform chain reaction to kill bees for soul. thats kinda auto kill after a blink and few atks, can u image its how faster than catch and murder them one by one? even 3 summon times of mexwell wendy earns u consider as a advantage, i do think u should understand this.

then the invincible, if u talk about skilled player, yes we dont need since u can blink to dodge and it earns an atk chance than other players who need to dodge out of the atk range(thats pre-skill tree, though the problem should be u had only 20 souls and need time to murder. now it solves and buffs max 12 multiples, bro 12 multiples) and rather to choose dar side for more dmg. but what if normal players failed, like 300ms too fast/late then thats a safety and then ppl will ask why i need to dodge since i have invinsible? just for 12 more dmg? and brightshade armor has 10 counter dmg, though i dont think it should be trigger by invincible. then inertia will comes, ppl never need to be a top player, so why give up a thing that make the live easier and take so many time to learn that.

and for bee queen, i do saw some videos with dark side and decoy and void weapon+helmat kill bee queen in 5 min with only 1 void repair set cost. ill try later if u can do it without void stuffs.

12 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

he got a branch related to being wet, but no new ways to maintain wetness. She got mosquitos, which was basically pointless

thats why i dont like these useless filling skills, they r not good design, and ppl rarely pick them. i always trust a good design is everything not too strong and u have multiple answer of the selection. not" oh this line is damn useless, so i just spend my points on the others." at this point, wortox skill tree design is good, just need a few value nerf and change, especially jar and invincible.

[Mr Giggio]

5 hours ago, Sacco said:

yeah, she can do every boss if you know what you are doing. It's just that if abi dies you are going to deal less damage and therefore less dps.

 

Ghestalt Abi.

[cyjs]

19 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

她可以做任何老板，只要你可以做任何老板，让我们从这个开始 
 

 

 

xD

I'm sorry to bother you. I apologize for my behavior. My behavior is very irrational. I just wanted to fight back to those who said that we didn't make constructive suggestions, but obviously the method was wrong. I apologize to you again.

[Bumber64]

On 11/27/2024 at 2:42 AM, AliceMagtron said:

and talk back to webber, yes webber generally dot carry some normal spiders but spider eggs and silk, webber can use 10 silk to make a lvl3 spider den, which means he can build max 4 lvl3 den immediately for anything, it could be boss not only hounds. and actually these boss fights are good way for webber to collect monster meats, silk and gland, since u can even beat boss with them, hounds should not be a problem. besides, if u can find a forrst biom, which planty of spiders r living there, u can build a lvl 3 spider den in first few days, and 120mins =15days later u will get a spider queen. what means 15 days? max first 2 hounds waves which only generate totally max 2~4 hounds, even wes can handle it simply.

Normal spiders aren't good. They've got low DPS and crowd around targets so none of the others can reach. They suffer from AoE just like Abi, with the added bonus of spreading fire everywhere in certain situations, and eating meat and pig skin off the ground. Bee queen's screech will cause all spiders to get scared and stop following Webber, which is another thing Wendy doesn't have to deal with. (Toadstool does it too, for all that matters.)

What you want with Webber is an unreasonable number of spitters being healed by nurses faster than they can be damaged. Ideally you have cave spiders tanking for bosses.

If you don't have your army with you, then you're just Wilson. Sure, anyone can kill hounds, but it's a waste of weapon durability and time.