Saying "nerf" is becoming a tabú

[Ulisesvolador]

6 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

I dont think you can block people on the forums. I tried it before.

Perhaps they mean the "Ignored Users" option?

[Guille6785]

klei should avoid nerfing anything not because a nerf can never be a good thing but because it's been made abundantly clear that klei makes awful decisions when they try to "balance" the game and things always end up more balanced when they don't even try to anyway

4 hours ago, b l a n k said:

Beside that, yes, talking about nerfs in this forum will cause a lot of ad hominem attacks

90% of the nerf requests I see in these forums are completely unfounded in terms of arguments and essentially boil down to "I don't use this feature, but I want it to be worse for the people that do use it", so it makes perfect sense for people to be angry when you're trying to take their fun away when it doesn't affect you at all

[b l a n k]

37 minutes ago, Ulisesvolador said:

Perhaps they mean the "Ignored Users" option?

Indeed!

17 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

klei should avoid nerfing anything not because a nerf can never be a good thing but because it's been made abundantly clear that klei makes awful decisions when they try to "balance" the game and things always end up more balanced when they don't even try to anyway

90% of the nerf requests I see in these forums are completely unfounded in terms of arguments and essentially boil down to "I don't use this feature, but I want it to be worse for the people that do use it", so it makes perfect sense for people to be angry when you're trying to take their fun away when it doesn't affect you at all

I agree with that, however, I believe it's simpler to simply ignore irrelevant messages, those "unfounded in terms of arguments" like you say, instead of going full tweeter mode and wasting energy on people that don't deserve it. It's not like Klei is going to listen to unfounded arguments anyway, at least I hope so...

[Guille6785]

7 minutes ago, b l a n k said:

I agree with that, however, I believe it's simpler to simply ignore irrelevant messages, those "unfounded in terms of arguments" like you say, instead of going full tweeter mode and wasting energy on people that don't deserve it. It's not like Klei is going to listen to unfounded arguments anyway, at least I hope so...

The issue is that if left unaddressed, these unfounded arguments essentially become misinformation that spreads to people that read the thread, and to the klei developers it might make it seem like there is far more support for doing something that would make the game worse than there actually is, which is why I do believe people should reply to posts like these to dispel erroneous arguments

[Gashzer]

27 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

The issue is that if left unaddressed, these unfounded arguments essentially become misinformation that spreads to people that read the thread, and to the klei developers it might make it seem like there is far more support for doing something that would make the game worse than there actually is, which is why I do believe people should reply to posts like these to dispel erroneous arguments

You love the word misinformation lol

It doesnt matter if the person complaining is 100% factually correct. This isnt important to klei what is important is people letting Klei know we are getting frustrated with certain things. If a game is failing to provide fair fun to us then there is a problem.

Like that time you said i was spreading misinformation about being unable to attack cancel on the switch/controller. While technically you can and i was technically wrong. It isnt fun to do and isnt viable for 99% of the player base hence i was right in what i was saying. 

So you need to stop labelling peoples experiences and opinions as misinformation... technicalities dont matter!

[Keller Max]

9 hours ago, chirsg said:

"Try a run where you don't kill mandrakes and suddenly bee queen becomes a coinflip on whether or not you beat her."

Wish more bosses were like Klaus. Perfect Boss! Maximum Skill and no need to drop a shitload of Pan Flutes, Weather Pains, etc...

(Why is my message "Hidden"?)

[Guille6785]

29 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Like that time you said i was spreading misinformation about being unable to attack cancel on the switch/controller. While technically you can and i was technically wrong. It isnt fun to do and isnt viable for 99% of the player base hence i was right in what i was saying. 

99% of the playerbase don't animation cancel in the first place

also you're literally stating your opinion as fact lol, "it isn't fun to do or viable" is just your opinion based on your own personal experience and doesn't speak for anyone else

[Dextops]

24 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Like that time you said i was spreading misinformation about being unable to attack cancel on the switch/controller. While technically you can and i was technically wrong. It isnt fun to do and isnt viable for 99% of the player base hence i was right in what i was saying. 

Ok wait so you DID spread misinformation, but because most of the player base wouldn’t do it it wasn’t misinformation????? 

[maradyne]

Balance became an 'us vs them' topic a few years back, and since then it's hard to tell when anyone is being serious vs trying to shut down what they see as opposition to their own imagined faction. Trying to get the most internet points and all that.

Just say what you think. Maybe someone will listen, maybe they won't.

If you're unsatisfied, have a try at making something that you can make the decisions on. Serious advice, there; you can probably pull off more than you think.

[Dextops]

28 minutes ago, Keller Max said:

Wish more bosses were like Klaus. Perfect Boss! Maximum Skill and no need to drop a shitload of Pan Flutes, Weather Pains, etc...

(Why is my message "Hidden"?)

You said a naughty word

 

Edit: This post just got hidden for quoting what you said

[Maxil20]

I’m not really sure what needs to be nerfed, though. Sure, there’s certainly “meta” strats that have popped up here and there, but they aren’t overwhelmingly powerful compared to other tactics (unless they are cheese related strats, but that’s also an entirely different story…). There’s still a variety of ways to tackle practically every single scenario in this game, and while some are more better then others, I wouldn’t call it overpowered to use a “better” strat compared to a “worse” one. If anything, the ones that are really far behind compared to others is because they are, in fact, really far behind (looking at dust moths for thulecite generation in particular…).

9 hours ago, Sacco said:

food first of all.

it's honestly to easy to mass produce.

But Klei, ironically in one of their few nerfs in recent years, nerfed the strongest food source by a factor of 3, bunnymen farms. In practically every endless server past year two, a centralized bunnymen farm was made and could grind food to feed a whole server in thanks to the fact all the bunnymen dropped 2 carrots and a 75% chance for 1 meat, had extremely easy aggro/war mechanics, and respawned every single day. In return, Klei also buffed the worst food source by a factor of 3, farming, so it could compete with other food sources.

 

[Mr Giggio]

A lot of people has their own limits about their perspective and only Klei knows better even tho some of these folks sounds like they too, but they dont

Nerfing turned into a bad thing cuz a lot of people can't get the point and ruin the fun for the others who enjoy that

Nerfing is not a sacred solution

[Mike23Ua]

Hey, formerly active Apex Legends player here, I used to main Wraith.. and then after 10 seasons worth of consecutive nerfs to her I instead opt’d to play as other characters who did Wraiths job BETTER than she ever could even before all the Nerfs. Then when she never got any buffs or reworked abilities to make up for the TEN SEASONS WORTH OF NERFS I Deleted Apex Legends & haven’t bothered playing it ever again.

Whats my point??? People asking for Nerfs to content make things people once enjoyed, no longer enjoyable. While sometimes nerfs are warranted, I’ve seen far too often players wanting them just to spite one another.

And in particular when it comes to DST I am sooo tired of watching uncompromising survival content get Nerfed in favor of being less annoying for more casual players.. and a few examples of that would be how ruthlessly aggressive Wavey Jones was in his original implementation, how Wonkeys Curse worked, and even how much damage boats originally took when smashing into things (we even now have shell bumpers that could’ve went well with improving the surviveability of your boat)

in a game with a TON of options & settings, why didn’t we have the option to choose how forgiving/uncompromising game mechanics like that would behave?

This is a prime example of Klei overly Nerfing Content.

[Gashzer]

1 hour ago, Dextops said:

Ok wait so you DID spread misinformation, but because most of the player base wouldn’t do it it wasn’t misinformation????? 

Haha but i didnt. People wont attack cancel on console because you would be adding to an already clunky control system. But my experience on the switch reflects that there is a huge difference between console and pc experiences. The ease of which one can pull off attack cancelling being one of them.

What klei will pull from it is not " oh its ok Guille is technically correct we dont need to change anything" it will be "oh Gashzer is having a vastly different experience from pc to console... how do we create a more standardized gameplay experience between platforms?" 

The misinformation doesnt matter in the slightest. 

[Dextops]

6 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Haha but i didnt. People wont attack cancel on console because you would be adding to an already clunky control system. But my experience on the switch reflects that there is a huge difference between console and pc experiences. The ease of which one can pull off attack cancelling being one of them.

What klei will pull from it is not " oh its ok Guille is technically correct we dont need to change anything" it will be "oh Gashzer is having a vastly different experience from pc to console... how do we create a more standardized gameplay experience between platforms?" 

The misinformation doesnt matter in the slightest. 

Even though I highly disagree with your argument, that doesn’t even matter here???? Guille talked about misinformation, you admitted to spreading misinformation end of story, what was the point of anything else here?

[Gashzer]

Just now, Dextops said:

Even though I highly disagree with your argument, that doesn’t even matter here???? Guille talked about misinformation, you admitted to spreading misinformation end of story, what was the point of anything else here?

Because Guille's point about calling out misinformation also isn't necessary and doesn't matter when providing feedback to Klei. End of story. 

[Dextops]

Just now, Gashzer said:

Because Guille's point about calling out misinformation also isn't necessary and doesn't matter when providing feedback to Klei. End of story. 

K yeah you’ve done enough trolling for today, I’m clocking out.

[Gashzer]

Just now, Dextops said:

K yeah you’ve done enough trolling for today, I’m clocking out.

Why when i provide clear and sensible arguements (in a slightly sassy way i will admit ) you guys call me a troll? 

Oh well ill take this as another victory under my belt. 

[Dextops]

9 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Why when i provide clear and sensible arguements (in a slightly sassy way i will admit ) you guys call me a troll? 

Your argument was “doesnt matter if I spread misinformation because ( i think) im right” (Despite you being refuted multiple times on the actual difficulty of animation cancelling on consoles, the impact it actually has on the game, and not having an actual good argument on the topic other than that you don’t personally like it). I really don’t feel like arguing with you anymore, especially when its irrelevant to the thread so this will be my final post on the topic (fr this time)

[Gashzer]

8 minutes ago, Dextops said:

Your argument was “doesnt matter if I spread misinformation because ( i think) im right” (Despite you being refuted multiple times on the actual difficulty of animation cancelling on consoles, the impact it actually has on the game, and not having an actual good argument on the topic other than that you don’t personally like it). I really don’t feel like arguing with you anymore, especially when its irrelevant to the thread so this will be my final post on the topic (fr this time)

It is 10000% easier to pull off attack cancelling on pc compared to console. That is a fact. Just admit you and Guille are simply scared of Klei removing attack cancelling as it would "nerf" ornery and wanda by alot. (I know regular attacks can be cancelled but it affects wanda and ornery more)

Bringing it back to the topic of nerfs; i believe attack cancelling should be nerfed . The logic for this is its removing the slower attack speed downside of the alarming clock and mounted beefalo which isnt very fair considering how easy it is to do.

Or dont nerf attack cancelling but the middle man by increasing the attack speed of both whips and beefalo to regular speed.

[chirsg]

Attack cancelling should not be nerfed. there is a chance where you lose your entire attack. 

[Scrimbles]

17 hours ago, goatt said:

What matters is a good feel of game progression and hook.

Unfortunately not everyone has the same idea of what feels good.

I'm someone who prefers a more difficult experience, but then all the character refreshes ended up buffing characters across the board, and no effort was put into balancing that out. so now I'm forced to have an easier time.

[chirsg]

1 hour ago, Scrimbles said:

effort was put into balancing that out. so now I'm forced to have an easier time.

Hail. Brightshades. This game doesn't live and die in the first year. Rifts on = mutated bosses. You aren't forced to have an easier time. 

If you disagree, talk to this guy
 

[Scrimbles]

5 minutes ago, chirsg said:

Hail. Brightshades. This game doesn't live and die in the first year. Rifts on = mutated bosses. You aren't forced to have an easier time. 

If you disagree, talk to this guy
 

Like I said, they buffed characters across the board.

I am literally forced to have an easier time. I do not have a choice.

[chirsg]

5 minutes ago, Scrimbles said:

I am literally forced to have an easier time. I do not have a choice.

Hail. Brightshades. Post rift bosses. You need to take measures to ensure that the new trio don't res. And even then, there's incentive to slay them. 

Do you spend the first winter in the caves?