Done all content and looking for things to do?

[WhovianDST]

Hi, this is not a complaint about the game in any way, I love the game. But I have a problem. After I beat Celestial Champ & Fuelweaver (and whatever other bosses I consider things-to-do like Misery Toadstool) I lose a lot of motivation.

 

Perhaps I am not meant for sandbox games. I love making farms and progressing naturally (IE: Science to Magic to Ruins to Rift Gear) but now that I've killed every boss and crafted all the cool new gear and played with it I'm just... stuck? I don't really like/understand megabasing since I like everything to be practical 

 

I've completed all content solo as Wurt and Maxwell. I love these characters and their natural progression (Merm Army, Maxwell's Duelist Upgrades really motivated me to kill FW early), but if I don't want to megabase then should I just wait for next update? I've domesticated beefalos, built some farms like spider-bunny/voltgoat anenemy, and I can kill pretty much any boss with Maxwell shenanigans or my Merm Brethren. But now I just log on, wander around maybe kill some things/get annoyed by brightshades, then log off. What now?

 

 

[goatt]

Take a break from the game. It's worth the money you paid for the game. It's time to play other games.

[Retepeter]

44 minutes ago, WhovianDST said:

 If I don't want to megabase then should I just wait for next update? 

I felt like this for a while, but from my experience you have 2 paths to take.

A: Start over, maybe alone with a new character, a different playstlye, on a public server with a unique strategy (such as rushing moon quay) or anything that involves a new world.

B: Make a good megabase, If you don't know what project to build i'd advise you to shamelessly steal someone else's (Jazzy/Glermz ect) builds and put you own touch on it. For example I recreated Jazzy's Warly world bee park but made it into a bunny village at the same time.

You also have to accept that it's not gonna be the most efficient, if you can't accept that the most efficient things don't look the best then I'm afraid you limit your own building potential. Again as an example you could just build 6 bee boxes with some flowers and be the most efficient but it won't look as good as a bee park. It help to realise that you realistically don't need that much honey, you kinda just need to accept that hording an infinite amount of everything gets boring after a while (trust me I have done nothing but farm materials in one of my worlds for 1k days)

If you really wanna megabase but only like gathering and boss killing find some people to play with, they'll appreciate your efforts and build from your spare supplies

[Golden Daemon]

57 minutes ago, WhovianDST said:

Hi, this is not a complaint about the game in any way, I love the game. But I have a problem. After I beat Celestial Champ & Fuelweaver (and whatever other bosses I consider things-to-do like Misery Toadstool) I lose a lot of motivation.

This is also a huge problem I have with my friends.
After every major update, we make a new world and start playing together. But the moment we beat the celestial champion, they lose interest in the game because "we have done everything that was new".

This is mostly a bad habit/expectation implanted into the players by how modern games are made.
The old talk about DST not having any achievements really addresses this issue. Most people don't enjoy sandbox games, not because sandbox games are bad or unenjoyable in themselves, but because their expectations make enjoying sandbox games feel wrong to them.

It reminds me of the story of how a janitor in a school had a problem with kids using empty plastic bottles as makeshift balls to play soccer. They would kick them around and litter the area, and no matter how many times he told them to stop, they wouldn't.

So he decided to change his tactics and instead of asking them to stop, he told the kids that he loved the sound of bottles being kicked around. He offered to pay whoever could kick the bottles when he was around a bit of cash as a reward.
He rewarded the kids who kicked bottles every day for a week. Then, after a week had passed, he suddenly stopped giving out any more money.

The kids demanded money for what they were doing, but the janitor refused and said he didn't have any more money to give. The kids felt cheated and decided that they wouldn't kick around bottles anymore for free.

That put a complete stop to the problem the janitor had.

The story is very cheesy and my English is not as good as I'd like it to be, but I think I got the point across.

[Dextops]

When I would get bored I would join pubs (especially ones in the early stages) and screw around in those, it’s a pretty different experience and definitely kept my retention with the game a bit.

[WhovianDST]

1 hour ago, goatt said:

Take a break from the game. It's worth the money you paid for the game. It's time to play other games.

yeah, I go through the phase of "new world as x character", do everything, fart around for ~100-200~ish days and then quit. I hope the update in a couple weeks has some bangin new content 

[Gi-Go]

Go play pvp 

[Brago-sama]

I like going to random different worlds and help people beat their bosses. Ive found that many people are ready, they just need a slight nudge, and I like pushing people off cliffs

[Baark0]

I have similar problems with sandbox games, it's why I never really got into Minecraft and why I prefer Terraria over it. The main thing I do in long term DST worlds is just building massive bases, and when I don't feel like building I'll spend an absurd amount of resources to make tasks I've already completed mildly faster, my favorite of these is easily spamming houndius turrets around the atrium arena which allows for killing the Fuelweaver in only 1 shadow hand cycle. Another more reasonable thing was setting up anenemies around my ruins to kill the clockwork enemies without requiring any input on my end.

27 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

Go play pvp 

I'm sure the 2 other pvp players will enjoy having a new friend to play with.

[Jakepeng99]

10 hours ago, Baark0 said:

I'm sure the 2 other pvp players will enjoy having a new friend to play with.

Normally every playable pets server has pvp enabled. Honestly kinda fun to tank the strongest bosses as a mosquito.

[Gi-Go]

23 hours ago, Baark0 said:

I'm sure the 2 other pvp players will enjoy having a new friend to play with.

I knew I wasn't the only one. Gotta find the other guy. 

[lakhnish]

On 9/24/2023 at 3:32 PM, WhovianDST said:

Perhaps I am not meant for sandbox games. I love making farms and progressing naturally (IE: Science to Magic to Ruins to Rift Gear) but now that I've killed every boss and crafted all the cool new gear and played with it I'm just... stuck? I don't really like/understand megabasing since I like everything to be practical 

I have similar feelings.

What I've found unfortunately is that you're going to have to come up with your own challenge runs.

Some challenge runs:

[*] Kill all bosses as fast as you can (day 75 is technically your lower limit under default settings, but it's really more about the survival journey than reaching day 75 imo)

[*] Do the above, but with every character

[*] Another boss rush, but you change up the order

[*] Again, another boss rush, but you add your own flavor

[*] Empty your cookbook and try to make all crockpot recipes as fast as you can

[*] Craft all the pets as fast as you can

[*] Get every giant crop as fast as possible

[*] Rush individual bosses (like FW or CC, etc)

Again, you'll have to come up with your own runs as the nature of the game is about you making your own goals.

On 9/24/2023 at 3:32 PM, WhovianDST said:

I've completed all content solo as Wurt and Maxwell. I love these characters and their natural progression (Merm Army, Maxwell's Duelist Upgrades really motivated me to kill FW early), but if I don't want to megabase then should I just wait for next update?

When the next update comes, odds are you'll eventually solve the new content and then be back at the same place unfortunately (I speak from experience).

[mimimama15]

You should play shipwrecked or Hamlet

[Arde]

Why wont you try mods? Uncompromising mode is a popular one

[Well-met]

Fill all your chest resources to their max limit

[Mysterious box]

On 9/24/2023 at 4:53 PM, Golden Daemon said:

This is also a huge problem I have with my friends.
After every major update, we make a new world and start playing together. But the moment we beat the celestial champion, they lose interest in the game because "we have done everything that was new".

This is mostly a bad habit/expectation implanted into the players by how modern games are made.
The old talk about DST not having any achievements really addresses this issue. Most people don't enjoy sandbox games, not because sandbox games are bad or unenjoyable in themselves, but because their expectations make enjoying sandbox games feel wrong to them.

It reminds me of the story of how a janitor in a school had a problem with kids using empty plastic bottles as makeshift balls to play soccer. They would kick them around and litter the area, and no matter how many times he told them to stop, they wouldn't.

So he decided to change his tactics and instead of asking them to stop, he told the kids that he loved the sound of bottles being kicked around. He offered to pay whoever could kick the bottles when he was around a bit of cash as a reward.
He rewarded the kids who kicked bottles every day for a week. Then, after a week had passed, he suddenly stopped giving out any more money.

The kids demanded money for what they were doing, but the janitor refused and said he didn't have any more money to give. The kids felt cheated and decided that they wouldn't kick around bottles anymore for free.

That put a complete stop to the problem the janitor had.

The story is very cheesy and my English is not as good as I'd like it to be, but I think I got the point across.

Personally I feel like most of the problem comes from how easy it is to end most of the survival loop if someone is into megabasing closing the survival loop is ideal but if your someone like me who that sort of gameplay doesn't appeal to closing the survival loop essentially means the game is over. It mainly seems to come from the fact there’s too little necessary parts to survival and too many permanent solutions to problems you never need to leave your base after you've brought everything therefore you never feel like leaving your base. It is a sandbox problem but some games can handle that better than dst does.

[Nnumber3]

On 9/25/2023 at 5:45 PM, Gi-Go said:

I knew I wasn't the only one. Gotta find the other guy. 

Welp, you found me. 

us 3 should come together and revive PVP!

[Mike23Ua]

On 9/26/2023 at 9:05 AM, Mysterious box said:

Personally I feel like most of the problem comes from how easy it is to end most of the survival loop if someone is into megabasing closing the survival loop is ideal but if your someone like me who that sort of gameplay doesn't appeal to closing the survival loop essentially means the game is over. It mainly seems to come from the fact there’s too little necessary parts to survival and too many permanent solutions to problems you never need to leave your base after you've brought everything therefore you never feel like leaving your base. It is a sandbox problem but some games can handle that better than dst does.

The problem with DST.. and to be quite honest I’m quite surprised Klei hasn’t realized it yet, is that it is sold and advertised as a Survival Sandbox game, however… It’s actually more Sandbox then it is ANYTHING.

Allow me to explain: In a Game like let’s say Ark Survival Evolved, It too is a Survival Sandbox, However the key and most VITAL Differences between DST & Ark is that Ark randomly drops hostile creatures into the environment to challenge the players will to live.

Same can be said for OTHER Survival Sandbox Games such as 7 Days to Die, or even the game DST is MOST compared to: Minecraft.

These games may be open world Sandboxes, but they’re still SURVIVAL games & they do that by randomly spawning in Dino’s, random zombie encounters, or Minecraft’s Nightfall mob spawns.

DST however…. LMAO, almost everything in the game is peaceful or passive until you attack it.. the ONLY Things that come to directly challenge your survival are Hound Waves/Depth Worms, And maybe Deerclops.

Everything ELSE spawns in a pre-determined location, OR you have to summon it Yourself..

The game contradicts its Survival by focusing almost entirely on Sandbox..

The Moonstorms/Lunar/Shadow rifts are the ONLY content updates I’ve seen that “Try” to give you that open world chaos of random events happening or mobs spawning to attack…

But comparing DST to OTHER Survival Sandbox games feels like a crime to those other survival sandbox games.

Even single player DS did a better job with its two DLC expansions that had the chance for small mobs to spawn from the resources you chop/mine/pluck/flip over/loot etc..

Klei added an Ocean to DST- This should’ve been a Golden Opportunity for random oceanic mob encounters/events… but instead we have a flat bare of any life loading screen between points of interest.

I love Klei, I love the DS franchise.. and I only provide this kind of negative feedback- in hopes that they’ll see it & maybe even make some positive changes someday.

I get that not everyone wants random events, new weather seasons or some other mob to spawn to challenge them besides a 7th day hound wave… but the entire game shouldn’t so easily be able to ignore the “Survival” and focus on just the “Sandbox” either..

[Mysterious box]

15 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

The problem with DST.. and to be quite honest I’m quite surprised Klei hasn’t realized it yet, is that it is sold and advertised as a Survival Sandbox game, however… It’s actually more Sandbox then it is ANYTHING.

Allow me to explain: In a Game like let’s say Ark Survival Evolved, It too is a Survival Sandbox, However the key and most VITAL Differences between DST & Ark is that Ark randomly drops hostile creatures into the environment to challenge the players will to live.

Same can be said for OTHER Survival Sandbox Games such as 7 Days to Die, or even the game DST is MOST compared to: Minecraft.

These games may be open world Sandboxes, but they’re still SURVIVAL games & they do that by randomly spawning in Dino’s, random zombie encounters, or Minecraft’s Nightfall mob spawns.

DST however…. LMAO, almost everything in the game is peaceful or passive until you attack it.. the ONLY Things that come to directly challenge your survival are Hound Waves/Depth Worms, And maybe Deerclops.

Everything ELSE spawns in a pre-determined location, OR you have to summon it Yourself..

The game contradicts its Survival by focusing almost entirely on Sandbox..

The Moonstorms/Lunar/Shadow rifts are the ONLY content updates I’ve seen that “Try” to give you that open world chaos of random events happening or mobs spawning to attack…

But comparing DST to OTHER Survival Sandbox games feels like a crime to those other survival sandbox games.

Even single player DS did a better job with its two DLC expansions that had the chance for small mobs to spawn from the resources you chop/mine/pluck/flip over/loot etc..

Klei added an Ocean to DST- This should’ve been a Golden Opportunity for random oceanic mob encounters/events… but instead we have a flat bare of any life loading screen between points of interest.

I love Klei, I love the DS franchise.. and I only provide this kind of negative feedback- in hopes that they’ll see it & maybe even make some positive changes someday.

I get that not everyone wants random events, new weather seasons or some other mob to spawn to challenge them besides a 7th day hound wave… but the entire game shouldn’t so easily be able to ignore the “Survival” and focus on just the “Sandbox” either..

Honestly to an extent I agree a large part of the problem with dst is that the survival aspect does try to be engaging and that's just not a combat problem the game asks you to make your own survival challenges but because of that most of the game ends up not being survival but optional challenges you take on.

It's part of the reason people just sitting at base happens so much even more experienced players I know just sit at base until the next challenge is ready. Again if base building is your thing this is very ideal but if your playing dst looking for a survival game with a focus on surviving and exploration this comes off as quite disappointing. The problem though is I'm not even sure they could fix this without flipping the whole game on it's head.

[_zwb]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Minecraft

You can respawn for free in Minecraft, where's the survival challenge?

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

The game contradicts its Survival by focusing almost entirely on Sandbox..

I think you forgot about maintaining health, hunger, sanity, temperature, wetness and so on. These are all survival mechanics that happens to you, they don't always show up as some kind of boss monster you know.

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

small mobs to spawn from the resources you chop/mine/pluck/flip over/loot etc..

Yes this is a good survival mechanics but it's really annoying if you want to settle down and play long term. Just try farming some logs with jungle trees, you'd love getting interrupted by snakes evey 5s

[Mike23Ua]

27 minutes ago, _zwb said:

You can respawn for free in Minecraft, where's the survival challenge?

I think you forgot about maintaining health, hunger, sanity, temperature, wetness and so on. These are all survival mechanics that happens to you, they don't always show up as some kind of boss monster you know.

Yes this is a good survival mechanics but it's really annoying if you want to settle down and play long term. Just try farming some logs with jungle trees, you'd love getting interru by snakes evey 5s

Don’t Starve & Don’t Starve Together have a feature I wish many other survival games had… a menu of things you can toggle on & off at your own free will.

If players don’t like having snakes jump them every few seconds, lower their spawn rate, toggle them off, whatever.. but we shouldn’t simply just “not” have them because they’ll be annoying to base builders. Some people dislike Wildfires and admit to toggling them off. There’s nothing wrong with that.. & I’m not judging who turns them off.

However- there is actually now a World Gen setting to toggle them to happen MORE OFTEN. For the select few crazy people like myself who just want to watch the world go up in a blazing inferno.

There is ALSO now a brand new world Gen option for Permanent Death, a feature single player don’t starve had, that DST just did get in a recentish update, When you Die you won’t get a respawn timer to try and find a touchstone or get revived by a telltale heart, you just die.. you don’t even become a ghost.. instead your game file deletes itself.

This is something from classic single player Dont Starve that is now in DST.

However- Most people never bother with world Gen settings so most aren’t even aware it exists. 
 

But circling back to my point: In a game where you can toggle on/off/more/less pretty much every little detail about the game- we shouldn’t be holding back content ideas to accommodate for decorative map building.

[_zwb]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

The problem with DST.. and to be quite honest I’m quite surprised Klei hasn’t realized it yet, is that it is sold and advertised as a Survival Sandbox game, however… It’s actually more Sandbox then it is ANYTHING.

 

32 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

But circling back to my point: In a game where you can toggle on/off/more/less pretty much every little detail about the game- we shouldn’t be holding back content ideas to accommodate for decorative map building.

Is being sandboxy an issue or something welcomed? Stop contradicting yourself

 

 

Also you didn't answer why Minecraft is a survival game

[Mike23Ua]

3 minutes ago, _zwb said:

 

Is being sandboxy an issue or something welcomed? Stop contradicting yourself

 

 

Also you didn't answer why Minecraft is a survival game

Minecraft actually has difficulty options, and many people may not actually be aware of those options.. but you CAN starve to death in that game, AND there’s a setting so that when you die your inventory gets erased from the world, pretty certain that qualifies it as a Survival game.

Despite having a “Creative” mode.

[Valase]

You can go the collectionist route!

• Draw every cooked food item();
• have every giant veggie;
• speedrun the cookbook;
• try to make the optimal boat setup (mine includes a bookcase!);
• have fun on servers;
• not have fun on servers;
• play with characters that you never got "whats their deal";
• I think that all of those things already got suggested;
• How do I remove the bulleted list;
• Help;
• Why is it called bulleted list?;
• have fun on servers!

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I love Klei, I love the DS franchise.. and I only provide this kind of negative feedback- in hopes that they’ll see it & maybe even make some positive changes someday.

Darling, almost every feedback that I've seen from you has been either quite negative or quite outlandish.

the weirder part is that It is bad to compare DST and DS to those games, the main deal with don't starve is that nothing pops out of the blue and kill you, you may say that in the DLC's there is that, but in fact there isn't, when you chop a tree in Hamlet, there is a chance to spawn either a snake, a scorpion or an egg, but none of those things will spawn just because is dark (Minecraft) or spawn outside of your screen and crawl towards you (terraria), those things are there and when you engage with the tree, you know that you may get jumped by them. In DS things either already are there, or will be popped out by a spawner, which also happens in DST and in HAM, SW, RoG.

There are also other statements that I completely disagree, but I will not discuss it further, as this topic is getting off-topic.

[Dextops]

46 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Minecraft actually has difficulty options, and many people may not actually be aware of those options.. but you CAN starve to death in that game, AND there’s a setting so that when you die your inventory gets erased from the world, pretty certain that qualifies it as a Survival game.

Despite having a “Creative” mode.

The game is also piss easy, if you starve in Minecraft you’re doing something extremely wrong, because the hunger bar is a half baked feature when it comes to actual starvation.