Scrimbles Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 I feel like Walter gets a bit too much unwarranted hate from people in the community, and in the same way that the mundane topic of 'pineapple on pizza' has escalated to hysterics, I think the act of hating on Walter has become very similar. And I'm not just talking about the forums, on various Discord servers I have seen the exact same conversation take place, going along the lines of: "Walter is so annoying and so bad! Ugh I HATE Walter!" "Have you ever played him?" "No." The simple act of being suggested to play Walter is treated as a joke. Don't get me wrong, I'll be the first to admit some disappointment with Walters over all kit, but he's really not that bad at all, he has some fun tools, he is perfectly playable, and he's pretty well balanced compared to a lot of new characters/refreshes. Criticism is one thing, but blind hate based on group think is another. Walter may not be the most powerful character, he may not be the most interesting, but at the end of the day he isn't bad, he isn't offensive, and I think it's reductive to reduce Walter down to "The annoying bad character". (Ps: Yes I am very proud of that forum title) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 He was very good before year of the beefalo imo but ever since beefalo became so easily accessible and much better him and woby fell behind. He has a good base to work on and I don’t really care about his “all over the place” kit I just want woby to stand against beefalo better and his slingshot to maybe get more abilities (and a buff). I wouldn’t call him balanced or fun in his current state sadly but it’s very close to being that and hopefully it’s acted upon. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlemanNed Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 walter doesnt deserve the hate, we should make fun of wurt instead Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, NoodlemanNed said: walter doesnt deserve the hate, we should make fun of wurt instead Make fun of wurt so much she gets the best skill tree ever Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlemanNed Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Dextops said: Make fun of wurt so much she gets the best skill tree ever she could get a skill tree that solves world hunger but i will still choose to call her a smelly fish until the day i die Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 I played Walter and he's just boring to play as Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, Dextops said: He was very good before year of the beefalo imo but ever since beefalo became so easily accessible and much better him and woby fell behind. He has a good base to work on and I don’t really care about his “all over the place” kit I just want woby to stand against beefalo better and his slingshot to maybe get more abilities (and a buff). I wouldn’t call him balanced or fun in his current state sadly but it’s very close to being that and hopefully it’s acted upon. Just use a beefalo as Walter, he is really good with one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brago-sama Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Wdym pinapple pizza is delicious. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Jakepeng99 said: Just use a beefalo as Walter, he is really good with one. That’s exactly the problem, you have a large part of a character replaceable in the first couple of days. He shouldn’t HAVE to get a beefalo Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Walter is cool. People pretend he sucks, but I believe it is canon for Walter to disregard their complaints and keep on keepin' on. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fufuji Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 No fruits on pizza please. That's ridiculous Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Fufuji said: No fruits on pizza please. That's ridiculous The tomato sauce is a fruit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, Dextops said: He was very good before year of the beefalo imo but ever since beefalo became so easily accessible and much better him and woby fell behind. He has a good base to work on and I don’t really care about his “all over the place” kit I just want woby to stand against beefalo better and his slingshot to maybe get more abilities (and a buff). I wouldn’t call him balanced or fun in his current state sadly but it’s very close to being that and hopefully it’s acted upon. exactly my thoughts Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fufuji Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cheggf said: The tomato sauce is a fruit. No that's absolutely vegetable Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Fufuji said: No fruits on pizza please. That's ridiculous someone here never tried pear pizza Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 idgi I don't see Walter hate. There is certainly criticism of his kit being all over the place, or him being unrewarding to play but I'd say those are more attacks on Klei for designing him as is rather than attacks on Walter. I really like the idea of Walter. Being immune to insanity auras while you're full health, losing sanity when you lose damage - imo this is a very entertaining game hook that sets up a lot of fun play based around just this element of his mechanics. Very similar to how Wanda works as a glass cannon, its just Walter is all glass no cannon lol Like all the whiners who think Wanda just doesn't need Alarming Clock well look at Walter and that is what you'd get lol. I do think Walter needs a bit of love. The slingshot is a bit too niche and low damage, although we have new setups with the mannequins and BS plants that he can exploit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fufuji Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, skile said: someone here never tried pear pizza I have tried durian, strawberry, pineapple, coconut and peach pizza but no I never heard of pear pizza probably will try it when I see one Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Shosuko said: idgi I don't see Walter hate. There is certainly criticism of his kit being all over the place, or him being unrewarding to play but I'd say those are more attacks on Klei for designing him as is rather than attacks on Walter. I really like the idea of Walter. Being immune to insanity auras while you're full health, losing sanity when you lose damage - imo this is a very entertaining game hook that sets up a lot of fun play based around just this element of his mechanics. Very similar to how Wanda works as a glass cannon, its just Walter is all glass no cannon lol Like all the whiners who think Wanda just doesn't need Alarming Clock well look at Walter and that is what you'd get lol. I do think Walter needs a bit of love. The slingshot is a bit too niche and low damage, although we have new setups with the mannequins and BS plants that he can exploit. Wanda is not a glass cannon. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 From what I've witnessed via pub plays, some casuals/noobs/newbies pick Walter (admittedly, rarely) and.. die in record time to Shadow monsters. So his 2x Insanity drain from taken damage is the culprit, aka his main con for people's "Walter sucks" conclusion. If anything, Walter isn't a character for people that aren't at least moderately-experienced with the game. But hating him? I haven't seen anything like that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memetan Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 I like Walter and Pineapple pizza. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Fufuji said: I have tried durian, strawberry, pineapple, coconut and peach pizza but no I never heard of pear pizza probably will try it when I see one do it, it's great!! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said: From what I've witnessed via pub plays, some casuals/noobs/newbies pick Walter (admittedly, rarely) and.. die in record time to Shadow monsters. So his 2x Insanity drain from taken damage is the culprit, aka his main con for people's "Walter sucks" conclusion. If anything, Walter isn't a character for people that aren't at least moderately-experienced with the game. But hating him? I haven't seen anything like that. I remember when i moved from consle to pc where Walter was a new character, i once tanked a tree guard with no armour because i got fed up of kiting and i ran away after like 4 hits, with my fate inevitable. For some reason, someone on that server just gave me a krampus sack, It was early Autumn and they got super lucky. I dunno why they wanted to give it to me specifically, Walter has the charm. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 23 minutes ago, Fufuji said: No that's absolutely vegetable My lawyers have informed me that my response to this comment violates several statutes and regulations, and would cause international conflict on a scale not seen since World War II. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brago-sama Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Pinapple pizza is so 10 years ago You guys have not lived (or might not afterwards) until you've tried baked beans and scrambled eggs pizza. The tenth dentist recomends Spoiler Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BezKa Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Walter's gameplay is quite fun imo. It's that certain way of changing how you play, where priorities become sort of messy. Sure, you don't have to worry about sanity if you're not fighting that much, but Krampii, mob that usually doesn't appear if you don't actively seek it out is suddenly a common threat with how easy it is to just slingshot at all small animals. His perks are all over the place, and shift your gameplay just a bit to make you miss those little things when you start playing with a different character. I think that's a completely fine character concept and I enjoy playing as him. The only thing I dislike about Walter is that he's a scout. Curse those little brats, I stan Willow just for the fact we were both kicked out Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150751-walter-is-the-pineapple-on-pizza-of-dont-starve-characters/#findComment-1662765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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