Walter is the "pineapple on pizza" of Don't Starve characters.

[abrocator]

1 minute ago, Dextops said:

they should survive negative 5 hits meaning that if you get hit once you and 4 other people will die.

And if those four other players die? Skill issue, honestly. They didn't train their fellow player well enough.

[_zwb]

8 hours ago, Dextops said:

it definitely is

I don't see a game whose entire learning process is getting jumpscared by X mob and killed as "skill based". You getting killed by Charlie isn't somehow skill issue, there's no way you can know darkness kills you beforehand and you would learn by getting killed.

Just having wiki open up on your phone or enabling show me mod makes the game so much easier because you can see what might kill you, that's just how much knowledge based this game is. The game IS figure it out yourself type of thing, you gain experience by trying and dying so you can survive longer next world. You don't need much gaming skill if you know what things do.

[Dextops]

16 minutes ago, _zwb said:

I don't see a game whose entire learning process is getting jumpscared by X mob and killed as "skill based". You getting killed by Charlie isn't somehow skill issue, there's no way you can know darkness kills you beforehand and you would learn by getting killed.

Just having wiki open up on your phone or enabling show me mod makes the game so much easier because you can know see what might kill you, that's just how much knowledge based this game is. The game IS figure it out yourself type of thing, you gain experience by trying and dying so you can survive longer next world. You don't need much gaming skill if you know what things do.

I'd argue knowledge is skill for a lot of games especially survival games, there's also the fact that just having knowledge isn't a free pass. When i first started this game i had guides open, the whole deal, and i was still garbage. It took me playing the game slowly getting better for me to consider myself good at the game. Boss fights like AFW and CC definitely take skill to do, as do the ruins and playing efficiently imo. Wanda doesn't take skill because she is still relatively tanky and has easy access to healing, if this were to be harsher she'd definitely take more skill in my eyes.

Edit: now that im thinking about it, by this logic what games are skillful? Like thinking of the binding of isaac having the item description mod and knowing boss attacks makes the game that much easier, and im going through a lot of other games thinking about it and i end up to the same conclusion where knowledge is the big barrier.

[kroban]

11 minutes ago, _zwb said:

I don't see a game whose entire learning process is getting jumpscared by X mob and killed as "skill based". You getting killed by Charlie isn't somehow skill issue, there's no way you can know darkness kills you beforehand and you would learn by getting killed.

Just having wiki open up on your phone or enabling show me mod makes the game so much easier because you can know see what might kill you, that's just how much knowledge based this game is. The game IS figure it out yourself type of thing, you gain experience by trying and dying so you can survive longer next world. You don't need much gaming skill if you know what things do.

It is skill based depending on the character you are playing with.

Wolfgang is literally the "easy mode" character (In fact that's the main reason he was introduced as the 2nd character in DS). 2x damage for doing nothing and has no drawback for having it. Moves faster which makes it easier to dodge attacks. He also does everything like mining and chopping quicker, can 1shot most small mobs, and has one of the largest pools when it comes to hunger, sanity and health. You are trolling if you think Wolfgang requires same amount of skill for combat as for example Wes, Wormwood, or Walter. Like come on.

When it comes to the damage for example, its easy for him to keep it, and he only needs like a 10 sec animation of lifting. Compare that with Wanda, Woodie, or Warly. Wanda requires her staying in a "risky spot". For Warly it requires days of farming, preparation, and work, while he also has the disadvantage of having below-decent healing methods in general. Woodie requires him being in a state where he cant use items and have a decent healing.

[Dextops]

1 minute ago, kroban said:

Wolfgang is literally the "easy mode" character (In fact that's the main reason he was introduced as the 2nd character in DS). 2x damage for doing nothing and has no drawback for having it. Moves faster which makes it easier to dodge attacks. He also does everything like mining and chopping quicker, can 1shot most small mobs, and has one of the largest pools when it comes to hunger, sanity and health. You are trolling if you think Wolfgang requires same amount of skill for combat as for example Wes, Wormwood, or Walter. Like come on.

His speed from his skill tree doesn't help in combat, and high stats aren't too helpful either, due to a variety of things, but just focusing on health since armors have such high protection rates health differences can seem pretty small in the grand scheme of things (the same reason i believe wanda isn't a glass cannon applies to here basically). also with the other characters you mentioned they all have other things going for them, while wolfgang's only real big selling aspect is his 2x damage multiplier. Yeah it's good but outside of it what does he really have?

[Kwaik]

Wolfgang is unquestionably the best at all those things. But that doesn't make him the easy mode character. 

 

The reality is tons of characters have game breaking easy mode traits. Wurt can just mass an army, maxwells book can solo any boss in the game EASILY, Winona catapults, woodie moose/treeguards, wormwood potentially has the best aoe in the game (or Wendy regardless) 

 

Wolfgang is extremely simple and approachable. But if I was trying to help am unskilled player beat the hardest content, there's far better options 

 

Heck I'm not a "good" player by any means. 

 

But day 2 I can beat a large chunk of the bosses in the game with woodie, and every boss in the game with Maxwell. Minimum to no setup (just farming fuel with Maxwell is the pain) 

 

Again Wolfgang is meant to be an easy approachable entry level mindless character. And he's the best at that. But he doesn't offer anything else outside of that, and in my opinion the outside of that content is what dictates how much a character can do 

[Mysterious box]

28 minutes ago, kroban said:

It is skill based depending on the character you are playing with.

Wolfgang is literally the "easy mode" character (In fact that's the main reason he was introduced as the 2nd character in DS). 2x damage for doing nothing and has no drawback for having it. Moves faster which makes it easier to dodge attacks. He also does everything like mining and chopping quicker, can 1shot most small mobs, and has one of the largest pools when it comes to hunger, sanity and health. You are trolling if you think Wolfgang requires same amount of skill for combat as for example Wes, Wormwood, or Walter. Like come on.

When it comes to the damage for example, its easy for him to keep it, and he only needs like a 10 sec animation of lifting. Compare that with Wanda, Woodie, or Warly. Wanda requires her staying in a "risky spot". For Warly it requires days of farming, preparation, and work, while he also has the disadvantage of having below-decent healing methods in general. Woodie requires him being in a state where he cant use items and have a decent healing.

I would argue Webber is the game's easy mode as he simplifies survival and most combat situations if I had to pick one character.

[Peyo33]

I'm Italian and you should stop putting everything on pizza, like pineapples.
It's like taking a dump on the floor instead of the wc, you can do but you shouldn't, it's not the right place.

So remember next time, if you put pineapple on pizza you're dumping on the floor.

[Jandri]

I truly like Walter, though I also actually like pineapple pizzas (especially with chicken ^^)

Wtf do you have against pizzas with pineapple on it?

2 minutes ago, Peyo33 said:

I'm Italian and you should stop putting everything on pizza, like pineapples.
It's like taking a dump on the floor instead of the wc, you can do but you shouldn't, it's not the right place.

So remember next time, if you put pineapple on pizza you're dumping on the floor.

I am french and nowadays we actually eat more pizzas than you

I don't care about pizzas being a product of Italia, I just want to eat them

[Peyo33]

5 minutes ago, Jandri said:

I truly like Walter, though I also actually like pineapple pizzas (especially with chicken ^^)

Wtf do you have against pizzas with pineapple on it?

I am french and nowadays we actually eat more pizzas than you

I don't care about pizzas being a product of Italia, I just want to eat them

I want to reply so hard but it's better for everyone that i don't xD

[Jandri]

5 minutes ago, Peyo33 said:

I want to reply so hard but it's better for everyone that i don't xD

We still eat more pizzas than you do

They probably as well eat more than you in the USA

[Brago-sama]

Im convinced people who dont like pinapple pizza also dont salt their chocolate

[Peyo33]

4 minutes ago, Jandri said:

We still eat more pizzas than you do

They probably as well eat more than you in the USA

You make it so easy..  still don't want to argue, i said what i thought my mission is done cya

[Jandri]

Just now, Peyo33 said:

You make it so easy..  still don't want to argue, i said what i thought my mission is done cya

It is. The French eat about twice as much kilograms of pizzas than the Italian each year ^^ I know pizzas are Italian but they are eaten in every country today

[Peyo33]

Keep putting pineapple onto it

[Mysterious box]

For some reason I want some pizza now...

[Ulisesvolador]

Just now, Mysterious box said:

For some reason I want some pizza now...

Do you want some pineapple on it? 

[Mysterious box]

6 minutes ago, Ulisesvolador said:

Do you want some pineapple on it? 

I fear the consequences of answering truthfully. 

[Dextops]

56 minutes ago, Peyo33 said:

So remember next time, if you put pineapple on pizza you're dumping on the floor.

And I’d do it again

[MondayNight]

And this is why, folks, you don't do food analogies..

[Brago-sama]

1 hour ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

And this is why, folks, you don't do food analogies..

Is this not a pizza thread?

Oh yeah, Walter. He can join in on the Pizza conversation too

[Scrimbles]

Just popping in to say that my "pineapple on pizza argument" comparison was spot on!

[KeshS]

7 hours ago, Scrimbles said:

"Have you ever played him?"

I have played a lot of pubs, and I still never seen a good Walter player. His whole gameplay is just running around the map with Woby and performing annoying toot noises near a campfire. The only impressive video I seen him perform is very slowly killing bee queen with a slingshot.

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, KeshS said:

I have played a lot of pubs, and I still never seen a good Walter player. His whole gameplay is just running around the map with Woby and performing annoying toot noises near a campfire. The only impressive video I seen him perform is very slowly killing bee queen with a slingshot.

Personally I find he works best as a babysitter in a group as his tent, fast cooking, and stories help keep other less experienced players alive even if survival is abit harder on himself as a result. He doesn't really accel in any area but he's also not too disadvantaged if your familiar with kiting and the concept of using body armor over headslot armor

[july401]

What's the meaning of Pineapple on pizza?